{"id":101948,"date":"2023-09-21T16:25:00","date_gmt":"2023-09-21T22:25:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=101948"},"modified":"2023-09-21T19:22:29","modified_gmt":"2023-09-22T01:22:29","slug":"religion-builds-hospitals-science-builds-hydrogen-bombs","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2023\/09\/religion-builds-hospitals-science-builds-hydrogen-bombs.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Religion builds hospitals. \u00a0Science builds hydrogen bombs.&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_101951\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-101951\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/768px-AtomicEffects-Hiroshima.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-101951\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/768px-AtomicEffects-Hiroshima.jpg\" alt=\"What the bomb left\" width=\"597\" height=\"597\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-101951\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The fruits of science? This photo shows Hiroshima after the explosion of the atomic bomb there on 6 August 1945.<br>(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A few days ago, I published a post here in which I replied to the silly atheist slogan <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2023\/09\/science-flies-men-to-the-moon-religion-flies-planes-into-buildings.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cScience flies men to the moon. Religion flies planes into buildings.\u201d<\/a>\u00a0 Responding to my response, an occasional participant on the Peterson Obsession Board who does not appear to be as reflexively hostile to theism as many of the others there \u2014 an (American?) physicist teaching in Germany who has never been a Latter-day Saint \u2014 offered an alternative slogan: \u00a0\u201cReligion builds hospitals. \u00a0Science builds hydrogen bombs.\u201d \u00a0Given his profession as a physicist and the recent box office success of the biographical film <em>Oppenheimer<\/em>, it\u2019s a fairly obvious riposte. \u00a0And it\u2019s certainly at least as \u201ctrue\u201d (which is to say, at least as much of a caricature and very nearly as false) as the first one.<\/p>\n<p>However, one of the regulars on the Obsession Board quickly answered that the revised slogan isn\u2019t really available to Latter-day Saints, since the (greedy, unfeeling, uncharitable) Church doesn\u2019t <em>build<\/em> hospitals.<\/p>\n<p>But this is deeply misleading. \u00a0As the Wikipedia article on \u201cIntermountain Health\u201d explains, \u201cIntermountain Health [initially \u201cIntermountain Healthcare\u201d] was founded on April 1, 1975, after the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a> donated fifteen hospitals, as a system, to what would become Intermountain Health.\u201d \u00a0Moreover, the <em>Christopher Hitchens Memorial \u201cHow Religion Poisons Everything\u201d File<\/em>\u2122 positively overflows with examples of the Church not only providing humanitarian aid around the globe but donating cash and medical equipment and the like to clinics in impoverished areas. \u00a0I\u2019ve been posting account after account after account here of such donations.<\/p>\n<p>In a curiously related matter, I read a post online at another location in which a critic blamed Utah\u2019s high rates of obesity and diabetes on Latter-day Saint culture. \u00a0Others immediately joined the chorus of condemnation. \u00a0So l looked up data, by state, on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cdc.gov\/obesity\/data\/prevalence-maps.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">obesity<\/a> (also <a href=\"https:\/\/wisevoter.com\/state-rankings\/most-obese-states\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">here<\/a>, where Utah ranked thirty-seventh of the fifty states) and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/wp-admin\/post-new.php\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">diabetes<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>My question is whether\u00a0the folks who make such allegations ever consult anything, before they post, beside their burning hostility toward the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_38456\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-38456\" style=\"width: 566px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/12\/girls-camp-antelope-island-beach-woman-young-women-1246748-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-38456\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/12\/girls-camp-antelope-island-beach-woman-young-women-1246748-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"Girls' camp girls\" width=\"566\" height=\"376\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-38456\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The fruits of religion: Three authentic young Latter-day Saint women at a girls\u2019 camp<br>(LDS.org)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m always astounded when I see confident declarations that there simply were no Book of Mormon plates. \u00a0One might imagine, given the consistent testimony of multiple, seemingly credible eyewitnesses to the literal, tangible, physical existence of those plates, that folks who flatly deny that existence would want to cite some evidence or present some kind of an argument.<\/p>\n<p>Although I judge them to be manifestly <em>losing<\/em> arguments, I can easily understand those who want to contend that all of the seventeen or eighteen witnesses (or more) who claim to have seen, hefted, and\/or handled the plates were either hallucinating or lying. \u00a0But one should probably advance some evidence and an argument to that effect, if one cares at all about being taken seriously. \u00a0I can also imagine arguing that there were plates, but that they were in some sense <em>bogus<\/em>. \u00a0In such a case too, though, one should probably at least nod in the direction of evidence and rational argument.<\/p>\n<p>But to simply, complacently, announce \u2014 without even the slightest attempt to justify the assertion \u2014 that Joseph Smith never possessed any actual plates of any kind? \u00a0That\u2019s not worthy of being taken seriously. \u00a0It\u2019s not a serious position.<\/p>\n<p>In response, I offer the relevant historical works of Richard Lloyd Anderson as a starter (notably <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Investigating-Mormon-Witnesses-Richard-Anderson\/dp\/0875792421\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses<\/em><\/a>), as well as the films <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesfilm.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Witnesses<\/em><\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesundaunted.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Undaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon<\/a>, the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s series of <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/category\/witnesses-insights\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Insights videos<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesofthebookofmormon.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the <em>Witnesses of the Book of Mormon<\/em> website<\/a>. \u00a0After that, I can point to still more.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_32804\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-32804\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/04\/800px-Godzilla_King_of_the_Monsters_1956_Atomic_ray.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-32804\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/04\/800px-Godzilla_King_of_the_Monsters_1956_Atomic_ray.png\" alt=\"Godzilla recharging his batteries\" width=\"596\" height=\"407\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-32804\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A representative product of science \u2014 in this case, specifically of nuclear physics. \u00a0(Public domain image from Wikimedia Commons)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Let\u2019s assume, for the moment and for purposes of discussion, that absolutely every accusation made against Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad is true, even the most lurid ones. \u00a0(I have no particular reason, personally, to believe that <em>any<\/em> of the accusations is true, but I could easily be wrong.)<\/p>\n<p>Over on the Peterson Obsession Board, my Malevolent Stalker is suggesting that I resign from my role in the Interpreter Foundation and with the Foundation\u2019s <em>Six Days in August<\/em> film project because of the cloud that my close association with OUR and Tim Ballard has put them under. \u00a0My close association? \u00a0Somebody over there even described us as \u201cclose friends.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But, so far as I\u2019m aware, I\u2019ve never <em>met<\/em> Tim Ballard nor even corresponded with him or spoken with him. \u00a0I read about OUR\u2019s efforts to liberate children from sexual servitude, thought it an exceptionally noble cause, decided to donate money to support it, and decided to invite others to do so. \u00a0That\u2019s it. \u00a0(Also at about that time, I did the same with respect to what is now called the <a href=\"https:\/\/bountifulchildren.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bountiful Children\u2019s Foundation<\/a>.)<\/p>\n<p>Baseless suggestions that I was attracted to OUR precisely <em>because<\/em> of its allegedly abusive and corrupt character \u2014 relatively recent charges that are, as yet, quite undemonstrated \u2014 are too contemptible to merit serious comment.<\/p>\n<p>Another charge that is being leveled on the Obsession Board claims that the alleged actions of Tim Ballard are indicative of the evils done by religion. \u00a0To which I respond, Really? \u00a0Seriously? \u00a0In the cases found in the illustrious <em>Hitchens File<\/em>\u2122, the actions described are motivated by religious belief and, quite commonly, sponsored and\/or organized by a religious organization. \u00a0Can anybody seriously maintain that Tim Ballard became too physically intimate with women other than his wife (as some have charged, though thus far over his denials and without demonstrating it to be true, and without indictment, let alone conviction) in accordance with the teachings of his Church rather than in direct opposition to them?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_78711\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-78711\" style=\"width: 581px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/10\/72236906_679728615861431_6246444716968116224_o.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-78711\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/10\/72236906_679728615861431_6246444716968116224_o.jpg\" alt=\"A Genesee farmer and his family pose for a photo\" width=\"581\" height=\"760\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-78711\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A representative product of religion: \u00a0A happy, faithful, nineteenth-century family \u2014 that of Joseph Smith Sr. and Lucy Mack Smith. \u00a0James Jordan persuaded them to sit for this informal family portrait \u2014 perhaps the first ever taken in color \u2014 during production of the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s \u201cWitnesses\u201d film.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But let\u2019s get back to some relatively recent materials from the <em>Christopher Hitchens Memorial \u201cHow Religion Poisons Everything\u201d File<\/em>\u2122:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/faith\/2023\/9\/12\/23869975\/what-are-the-keys-to-happiness?utm_source=web&amp;utm_medium=churchnews&amp;utm_campaign=partnerlink\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cDo marriage and religion make people happier? Age, gender, belief in God, marital status and other factors may predict happiness\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/wallethub.com\/edu\/happiest-states\/6959\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c2023\u2019s Happiest States in America\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/opinion\/2023\/9\/17\/23875228\/two-parent-privilege-marriage-rates-school-outcomes-utah\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cPerspective: Tracking \u2018two-parent privilege\u2019 in Utah: Children in married families do better in school and in life. State agencies can do a better job of tracking these metrics\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/latter-day-saint-volunteers-join-national-9-11-day-of-service\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cLatter-day Saint Volunteers Join National 9\/11 Day of Service: Across the state of Utah, volunteers make a difference\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/church-efforts-arizona-help-migrants-refugees-from-around-the-world\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">*Church Efforts in Arizona Help Migrants, Refugees From Around the World: \u2018We\u2019ve got some amazing people here that want to give so much,\u2019 says Ruth Pag\u00e1n, Arizona JustServe director\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/latter-day-saint-volunteers-aid-hurricane-cleanup-florida\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cLatter-day Saint Volunteers Aid in Florida Hurricane Cleanup\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/2023\/9\/1\/23854835\/a-3-year-college-degree-byu-pathway-worldwide-wins-approval-to-launch-revolution-in-higher-education\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cA 3-year college degree? BYU-Pathway Worldwide wins approval to launch revolution in higher education: Beginning in April 2024, BYU-Idaho and Ensign College will offer seven online degrees through BYU-Pathway Worldwide. The degrees require 90 credit hours instead of 120.\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=_A4eC-j0_9M\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cGo Forth to Serve: BYU Engineers Design Low-Cost Prosthetics for Ecuador\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/water-conservation-recycling-among-churchs-sustainability-endeavors\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWater Conservation, Recycling Among Church\u2019s Sustainability Endeavors: Being a good steward and caretaker of the earth is closely tied to caring for those in need\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/latter-day-saint-volunteers-help-with-hurricane-idalia-relief-efforts-florida\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cLatter-day Saint Volunteers Help With Hurricane Idalia Relief in Florida: Church sets up several command centers to respond to local needs\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/now-we-just-open-the-tap-bolivian-community-finally-gets-water-through-churchs-help\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c\u2018Now We Just Open the Tap\u2019 \u2014 Bolivian Community Finally Gets Water Through Church\u2019s Help: A tiny community in Bolivia now has a water source through the help of the Church, Water for People and one determined man\u201d<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>That should do for now to give at least some slight sense of the horrors inflicted upon humankind by religions and religious people. \u00a0When will it ever end?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from Park City, Utah<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 A few days ago, I published a post here in which I replied to the silly atheist slogan \u201cScience flies men to the moon. 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