{"id":106332,"date":"2024-07-26T14:24:46","date_gmt":"2024-07-26T20:24:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=106332"},"modified":"2024-08-05T16:37:17","modified_gmt":"2024-08-05T22:37:17","slug":"when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes-etc","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2024\/07\/when-in-disgrace-with-fortune-and-mens-eyes-etc.html","title":{"rendered":"When in disgrace with fortune and men&#8217;s eyes, etc."},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_80952\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-80952\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/12\/79424149_10156903718288263_3241443068473245696_o-1.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-80952\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/12\/79424149_10156903718288263_3241443068473245696_o-1.jpg\" alt=\"M. T. Vogwell photo of Bill\" width=\"597\" height=\"403\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-80952\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Bill Hamblin, Mary Thompson Vogwell, and a young man known to them but not to me, during a visit by Bill to England undertaken not terribly long before his sudden and untimely death. Photo courtesy of Mary Thompson Vogwell.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>As, according to credible reports, the Interpreter Foundation continues to fade and its website and journal continue to stagnate, here are four new articles that have just appeared:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/lds-perspectives-on-the-atonement\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cLDS Perspectives on the Atonement?\u201d<\/a> written by <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/blakeo\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Blake T. Ostler<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"no-indent\">Review of Deidre Nicole Green and Eric D. Huntsman, eds.,<em> Latter-day Saint Perspectives on Atonement<\/em> (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2024). 344 pages, $35.00 (paperback).<\/p>\n<p class=\"no-indent\"><strong>Abstract:<\/strong> <em>Latter-day Saint Perspectives on Atonement promises to provide new perspectives on the atonement that reflect awareness of scriptural and theological scholarship. The essays on the scriptural background are solid. The essays providing theological perspectives are uneven, at best. Indeed, the theological essays show little awareness of the major works in philosophical theology in the last sixty years\u2014with one notable exception. Moreover, a feminist perspective that argues against seeing Christ\u2019s blood that he shed as an appropriate basis for atonement theory receives the greatest attention. This review elucidates, explores, assesses, and critiques these approaches.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/nameless-mormons-dramatic-use-of-omission-in-helaman-2\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cNameless: Mormon\u2019s Dramatic Use of Omission in Helaman 2,\u201d<\/a> written by <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/nathana\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Nathan J. Arp<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Abstract: <\/strong><em>There are many reasons why a narrator may choose to provide or withhold the names of various characters. This article hypothesizes that Mormon intentionally omitted the name of a key character from the book of Helaman related to the origin of the Gaddianton robbers. While it is not possible to know exactly what information Mormon and other Nephite recordkeepers had or preserved, it is at least plausible that Mormon might have intentionally omitted the name of a clandestine operative in the first two chapters of Helaman as a specific strategy to emphasize this operative\u2019s secrecy and allow the reader to take on his identity more easily. By using this narrative strategy, Mormon can powerfully demonstrate to the reader the importance of resisting tyranny in the defense of freedom. Moreover, Mormon thrills his readers with a tale of spy vs. spy: the Gaddianton robbers versus the nameless organization that initially defeats them. This article suggests that Mormon is a careful editor capable of the rare literary magic of revealing hidden truths that can best be said through silence.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-helamans-secret-service\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cInterpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em>: Helaman\u2019s Secret Service,\u201d<\/a> written by <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/kylerr\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kyler Rasmussen<\/a><\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>This post is a summary of the article \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/nameless-mormons-dramatic-use-of-omission-in-helaman-2\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Nameless: Mormon\u2019s Dramatic Use of Omission in Helaman 2<\/a>\u201d by Nathan J. Arp in Volume 62 of <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em>. All of the Interpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em> articles may be seen at <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/category\/summaries\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/category\/summaries\/<\/a>. An introduction to the Interpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em>series is available at <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<blockquote><p>[<strong>Author\u2019s Note<\/strong>: Hey everyone! This happens to mark the 100<sup>th<\/sup> summary I\u2019ve done for <em>Interpreter<\/em>. I\u2019ve been trying to think of a way to celebrate, and the best thing that comes to mind is hearing from you! If you\u2019ve been getting value out of these, please leave a comment below.]<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Takeaway:<\/strong>\u00a0 Arp proposes that Mormon deliberately withheld the name of Helaman\u2019s servant, as well as details of the potential comrades (termed by Arp as the \u201cSecret Service\u201d) that may have assisted him in opposing the Gadianton Robbers. This silence could have fit the themes of visibility\/invisibility in the narrative, or allowed readers to more easily identify themselves with these unnamed heroes.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/hugh-nibley-observed-joseph-or-jung\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Hugh Nibley Observed<\/em>: \u201cJoseph or Jung?\u201d<\/a> written by my late and much-missed friend William J. Hamblin, one of the co-founders of the Interpreter Foundation<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cNibley treats Mormon scripture primarily through parallels. While we need not pay any attention to those shallow critics of Nibley who merely shout \u201cParallelomania,\u201d as if it were a magical incantation, and reject his whole methodology and corpus out of hand (drawing parallels is a necessary technique for any scholar; one must simply judge each parallel separately to see what validity it offers\u2014and many of Nibley\u2019s parallels are convincing and valuable, while others are less persuasive or informative)\u2014 this technique requires careful analysis of the passages to be compared.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_77898\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-77898\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/09\/69469344_662082514292708_925777662327128064_n-1.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-77898\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/09\/69469344_662082514292708_925777662327128064_n-1.jpg\" alt=\"James and Russ, showing Mark\" width=\"597\" height=\"413\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-77898\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A still photograph of very intent filmmakers \u2014 director Mark Goodman is in the center, somewhat in the background \u2014 furnished by Russ Richins and probably taken by James Jordan.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Again, I invite you to watch any or all of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@TheInterpreterFoundation\/shorts\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">this new series of video shorts<\/a> that is being created by the moribund and comatose Interpreter Foundation \u2014 and, if you feel so inclined, to share them, whether as a group (that is not yet complete) or individually and incrementally.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_64542\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-64542\" style=\"width: 576px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/08\/768px-St._Peter_Evangelical_Lutheran_Church.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-64542\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/08\/768px-St._Peter_Evangelical_Lutheran_Church.jpg\" alt=\"Not THE St. Peter's, but A St. Peter's.\" width=\"576\" height=\"768\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-64542\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">St. Peter\u2019s Evangelical Lutheran Church, in Darke County, Ohio, dates to 1850.<br>(Wikimedia CC public domain photo)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This is a poignant column from one of the most interesting sociologists of religion in the United States, who has until now, melded a career as a professor and an academic sociologist with ministry as a Protestant pastor: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/faith\/2024\/07\/25\/ryan-burge-church-closing-the-nones\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cMy church is closing, and I don\u2019t know what comes next \u2014 for me, or America:\u00a0I researched the decline of organized religion while having a front-row view of the change in my own life\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t think that prayers for Pastor Burge (Dr. Burge) would be amiss. \u00a0My impression of him, from reading his writing over several years, is that he is not only a bright and insightful student of the current scene but a good and dedicated disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ. \u00a0I hope that his faith will not only survive but flourish, and that he will find a way forward.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_39512\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-39512\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2017\/01\/800px-Iowa_Mormon_Handcarts.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-39512\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2017\/01\/800px-Iowa_Mormon_Handcarts.jpg\" alt=\"LDS pioneers in Iowa\" width=\"597\" height=\"360\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-39512\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A pencil sketch of me and some of my minions being driven out by FAIR LDS and Scripture Central. \u00a0(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I\u2019m not sure when it was that my Malevolent Stalker went public with his odd fixation on me \u2014 roughly fifteen or twenty years ago, I think \u2014 but he\u2019s still going strong. \u00a0In the past few days, he\u2019s been informing his audience there that I\u2019m out of favor with the folks at FAIR LDS and at Scripture Central. \u00a0He\u2019s probably right, of course. \u00a0(It has to happen <em>sometime<\/em>, after all. \u00a0You\u2019re familiar with the proverb about even stopped clocks being right twice a day.)<\/p>\n<p>But I\u2019m curious about exactly <em>when<\/em> it happened. \u00a0The leadership of Scripture Central didn\u2019t seem to have turned up its nose at me back in April when it had me travel to New York and Pennsylvania and Ohio to help film one of the segments of its series <em>A Marvelous Work<\/em>, nor in June when it released the video that resulted, nor a few days ago when I last spoke with Scripture Central\u2019s director. \u00a0And it doesn\u2019t seem to have occurred in June, when FAIR LDS had me speaking at its conferences over in Italy and Austria and Sweden \u2014 a venture about which the Stalker complained and mocked with great dedication.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, I will be speaking at the 2024 annual FAIR conference, which will be held on <b>Thursday, 8 August, and Friday, 9 August, <\/b>at the American Heritage School in Salt Lake City. For questions about ticketing, sponsorship opportunities, or other details, please contact the good folks at \u00a0<a class=\"c-link decorated-link\" href=\"mailto:conference@fairlatterdaysaints.org\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" data-stringify-link=\"mailto:conference@fairlatterdaysaints.org\" data-sk=\"tooltip_parent\" aria-haspopup=\"menu\">conference@fairlatterdaysaints.org<\/a>.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_30401\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-30401\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/01\/800px-Etna_Volcano_Paroxysmal_Eruption_July_30_2011_-_Creative_Commons_by_gnuckx_9.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-30401\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/01\/800px-Etna_Volcano_Paroxysmal_Eruption_July_30_2011_-_Creative_Commons_by_gnuckx_9.jpg\" alt=\"A 2011 eruption at Mt. Etna\" width=\"597\" height=\"396\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-30401\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The entrance to Hell? Or merely the Utah state line?<br>(Wikimedia Commons public domain photo)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>And finally, as is my wont, I close with a horror that I\u2019ve drawn for the anti-theistic gratification of some of my more dedicated readers from the <em>Christopher Hitchens Memorial \u201cHow Religion Poisons Everything\u201d File<\/em>\u2122: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/faith\/2024\/07\/19\/church-joins-miller-and-walker-funds-in-multimillion-dollar-donation-to-reduce-homelessness\/?utm_campaign=ChurchBeat&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_Qze9BiNw-1KxcyWljiRKx3tKJdbymuclJ1Swxlmub0cy3lTTR4QIMyNy-GqJ9j8DjHID8fBbgrdB3HAaSyuJ23aK5ew&amp;_hsmi=317020101&amp;utm_content=317020101&amp;utm_source=hs_email\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cChurch joins Miller and Walker funds in multimillion-dollar donation to reduce homelessness:\u00a0Money will help Salt Lake City housing project expand as part of an effort to provide comprehensive services that lift people out of poverty\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from Newport Beach, California<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 As, according to credible reports, the Interpreter Foundation continues to fade and its website and journal continue to stagnate, here are four new articles that have just appeared: \u201cLDS Perspectives on the Atonement?\u201d written by Blake T. 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