{"id":107487,"date":"2024-10-20T21:17:36","date_gmt":"2024-10-21T03:17:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=107487"},"modified":"2024-10-20T21:17:36","modified_gmt":"2024-10-21T03:17:36","slug":"once-more-can-there-be-any-valid-criticisms-of-the-church","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2024\/10\/once-more-can-there-be-any-valid-criticisms-of-the-church.html","title":{"rendered":"Once More, Can There Be Any Valid Criticisms of the Church?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_101969\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-101969\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/image0-scaled.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-101969\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/image0-scaled.jpeg\" alt=\"BY and JS and the Twelve, plus Mark Goodman\" width=\"597\" height=\"407\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-101969\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">In this photo, shot by Ryan Fuller of our film crew on the set of \u201cSix Days in August,\u201d Mark Goodman goes over a scene between Joseph Smith (Paul Wuthrich) and a number of the gathered apostles. This scene is absolutely pivotal. It is of enormous importance.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I saw this title (or something like it) on a Latter-day Saint-related message board. \u00a0I never read through the thread there and, now, I probably wouldn\u2019t be able to find it. \u00a0But I once posted something on this subject and have been attacked ever since for what I said, by people who plainly didn\u2019t <em>understand<\/em> what I said. \u00a0So I thought, What the heck? I\u2019ll try it again.<\/p>\n<p>Yes, there can be valid criticisms of the Church. \u00a0Both of the Church as an assemblage of people and of the Church as an institution.<\/p>\n<p>To choose a few trivial examples:<\/p>\n<p>We, as Saints, could and should be doing better at ministering, attending the temple more often, be more active missionaries, be better at family history research, be more charitable in our behavior, be more service-oriented. \u00a0(If nobody else in the Church is defective in those <em>areas,<\/em> I certainly am. \u00a0Which means that, even if I\u2019m the only one, the Church membership isn\u2019t living up to its full potential.) \u00a0More of our youth should be serving as missionaries. \u00a0Our musical and artistic tastes might be better. \u00a0Our movie-going and novel-reading preferences might be more consistent with our values, more elevated. \u00a0We should ourselves generate better literature and movies and art. \u00a0(Please support <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesfilm.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Six Days in August<\/em><\/a>! \u00a0We\u2019re <em>trying<\/em>, at least.)<\/p>\n<p>As far as the Church itself goes: \u00a0The Lord himself has been critical of it from time to time, as have its leaders. \u00a0But here are some fairly insignificant criticisms that I myself have offered: \u00a0Our art and architecture have sometimes been pretty\u00a0uninspiring. \u00a0Our Sunday school and other manuals have often been quite uninteresting. \u00a0Our meetings are sometimes boring. \u00a0(And so forth.)<\/p>\n<p>(I expect that some readers\u00a0will want me to share some more <em>serious<\/em> areas of disagreement with Church leaders and some <em>weightier<\/em> criticisms. \u00a0I\u2019m afraid that I\u2019ll have to disappoint them. \u00a0I\u2019m not going to be lured into public attacks on my church. \u00a0And anyway, [a] that\u2019s not the point of this post and [b] I don\u2019t really <em>have<\/em> any truly\u00a0serious criticisms or areas of disagreement. \u00a0I am, to use the silly language favored by one faction of critics, a \u201cchapel Mormon.\u201d \u00a0Mainstream and orthodox. \u00a0Not for the <em>sake<\/em> of being mainstream and orthodox but simply because that\u2019s what I actually believe.)<\/p>\n<p>Here, though, is the more serious question that some really want to ask:<\/p>\n<p>Can there be any valid evidence against the Church?<\/p>\n<p>To which my answer is No, there cannot.<\/p>\n<p>This is the point at which some of my critics began to froth years ago, and over which some continue to wax occasionally indignant still today. \u00a0So permit me to explain:<\/p>\n<p>My answer presumes the Church to be true. \u00a0Why? \u00a0Because I believe it to be. \u00a0(The question is about my personal opinion on the matter, right?)<\/p>\n<p>Since the Church is <em>ex hypothesi<\/em> true, there can be no genuine evidence that it is false. \u00a0There can, of course, obviously be <em>seeming<\/em> evidence against its claims, evidence that reasonable people might well <em>regard<\/em> as genuine and damning. \u00a0In the end, though, on the assumption that the claims of the Church are true, what seems to be genuinely damning evidence against it must ultimately prove <em>not<\/em> to be such.<\/p>\n<p>There is evidence that parallel rails on a train track converge in the distance. \u00a0However, they don\u2019t actually converge at a distance; they remain parallel. \u00a0The visual evidence that they converge proves to be illusory.<\/p>\n<p>There is evidence that the Sun goes around the Earth. \u00a0For millennia, close watchers of the sky thought that it did, and they had reasons for thinking so. \u00a0However, we can now explain those reasons, that evidence, in other ways.<\/p>\n<p>There might be evidence strongly suggesting that Frank killed Bob. \u00a0But if, in fact, it was <em>Jim<\/em> who killed Bob, and <em>not <\/em>Frank, the evidence suggesting that Frank was the murderer must eventually be reinterpreted as demonstrating no such thing.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s in that sense that I say that there can, in the end, be no valid evidence against the claims of the Restoration and the Restored Church. \u00a0Ultimately, you see, there can never be proof that something that is true is actually false.<\/p>\n<p>Now, before closing, I need to make a few\u00a0points:<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not advocating a closed mind. \u00a0I\u2019m not saying that I refuse to consider evidence contrary to my religious beliefs. \u00a0I\u2019m not saying that there are no substantial arguments against the Restoration that deserve consideration. \u00a0I\u2019m not saying that every objection has been answered to the satisfaction of every rational and honest mind. \u00a0I <em>am<\/em> saying that my conviction that the claims of the Restoration are true entails the corollary conviction that arguments against its truth are, in the end, wrong.<\/p>\n<p>I hope that helps. \u00a0Though I really doubt that it will help some folks in certain circles of my critics.<\/p>\n<p>Good critics can be a blessing. \u00a0As a grinding wheel sharpens a knife, they can (and often do) sharpen arguments and help to clarify propositions.<\/p>\n<p>Incompetent critics, by contrast \u2014 e.g., those who regularly, grossly misread what their opponents say and who fail to grasp arguments and issues \u2014 are pretty much useless and a waste of time. \u00a0Unfortunately, though, they\u2019re both prolific and extremely vocal, across the web. \u00a0It takes real discipline to ignore them. \u00a0Discipline that I\u2019ve too often lacked. \u00a0As the saying goes, I\u2019m a work in progress.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_102020\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-102020\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/20230921_181553.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-102020\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2023\/09\/20230921_181553.jpeg\" alt=\"she didn't have long to live, unfortunately\" width=\"597\" height=\"388\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-102020\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Baptizing Miriam Works Young in 1832, in a scene from the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s current theatrical release \u201cSix Days in August\u201d<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Given the public opposition and the rotten media treatment that our temples have been receiving of late \u2014 along with the rotten attention that we\u2019re receiving from Hollywood \u2014 this item from the <em>Coeur d\u2019Alene\/Post Falls Press<\/em> comes as a relief and an absolutely wonderful and unexpected change of pace: <a href=\"https:\/\/cdapress.com\/news\/2024\/oct\/18\/please-banner-editorial-temple-will-be-point-of-pride-community-wide\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cEDITORIAL: Temple will be blessing to community\u201d\u00a0 \u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>What a horrible thought <em>that<\/em> is! \u00a0But here\u2019s something from the <em>Christopher Hitchens Memorial \u201cHow Religion Poisons Everything\u201d File<\/em>\u2122 that\u2019s just about guaranteed to give certain of my readers dyspepsia: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/self-reliance-profiles-baker-learns-better-business-practices\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cSelf-Reliance Profiles: Baker Learns Better Business Practices:\u00a0\u2018Starting and Growing My Business\u2019 course from the Church helps people set goals, learn principles\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 I saw this title (or something like it) on a Latter-day Saint-related message board. \u00a0I never read 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