{"id":108265,"date":"2024-12-13T15:10:58","date_gmt":"2024-12-13T22:10:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=108265"},"modified":"2024-12-13T19:45:42","modified_gmt":"2024-12-14T02:45:42","slug":"finding-nephis-ore","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2024\/12\/finding-nephis-ore.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Finding Nephi&#8217;s Ore&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_108268\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-108268\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2024\/12\/ICSC_pic.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-108268\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2024\/12\/ICSC_pic.png\" alt=\"A pretty simple place, actually.\" width=\"597\" height=\"338\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-108268\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Islamic Center of Southern California, at 434 Vermont Avenue in downtown Los Angeles, not far from the University of Southern California \u00a0(Wikimedia Commons public domain photograph)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Last night, at the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.islamiccenter.com\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Islamic Center of Southern California<\/a>, I participated in a dinner that was followed by a discussion and a Q&amp;A that involved me and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mpac.org\/about\/staff-board\/salam-al-marayati\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Salam al-Marayati,<\/a> the president and co-founder of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mpac.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Muslim Public Affairs Council<\/a>. \u00a0Our conversation and our responses to questions went well, I think, and they were recorded for eventual future posting. \u00a0(I noticed three cameras.) \u00a0The audience was made up of both Muslim and Latter-day Saint young people, in what seemed to me to be equal proportions. \u00a0Maybe around fifty or sixty of them? \u00a0Seventy, perhaps? \u00a0For such a balance to have been achieved they must have been invited, and there was obviously no intent to attract a larger crowd; their numbers exactly corresponded to the number of chairs that had been set up. \u00a0The meeting was opened, called to order, and closed by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.widtsoefoundation.org\/board-and-staff\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Larry Eastland<\/a>, who serves as chairman of the board of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.widtsoefoundation.org\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John A. Widtsoe Foundation<\/a>. \u00a0Salam al-Marayati recited <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Al-Fatiha\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the Fatiha<\/a> at the beginning of our discussion \u2014 effectively (and commonly) the Muslim analogue to a Latter-day Saint invocation or opening prayer \u2014 while, having been requested to offer the benediction, I gave a thoroughly Latter-day Saint closing prayer, thanking the Lord for the spirit and amiability and generosity of the evening and asking, among other things, for blessings and peace to rest upon the Islamic Center and those associated with it.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_18140\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-18140\" style=\"width: 497px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/02\/Bountiful.locations.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-18140\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/02\/Bountiful.locations.png\" alt=\"Khor Kharfot (with Khor Rori)\" width=\"497\" height=\"355\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-18140\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Khor Rori and Khor Kharfot have both been suggested as possible locations for Lehi\u2019s Old World Bountiful. I lean strongly toward the latter.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This article has been newly published in <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em>: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/finding-nephis-ore\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cFinding Nephi\u2019s Ore,\u201d<\/a> written by <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/bradleyl\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Bradley R. Larsen<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Abstract:<\/strong> <em>Khor Kharfot and Wadi Sayq are in the region that has become the premiere candidate for Nephi\u2019s Old-World Bountiful. Out of the several matching criteria that has led to this opinion, the one that may be the weakest has been the identification of readily available ore in the area that Nephi could have used to manufacture the tools necessary to build his ship. This investigation found several distinct examples of iron ores suitable for \u201dsmelting\u201d in the form of float, all pointing to deposits yet to be located. Additionally, I review the investigation of Dr. Revell Phillips, who headed a group from BYU in 2000, that found two locations north of Khor Kharfot apparently containing significant deposits of iron ore. However, one site turned out to be problematic and the other site is too distant for Nephi to have been able to access it. Nonetheless, their efforts are reviewed as a backdrop for this current study. Also presented are findings regarding heretofore unrecognized features of Wadi Sayq and Khor Kharfot and the likely conditions that produced them, going back into the Pleistocene era.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>See also <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-some-bountiful-iron\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cInterpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em>: Some Bountiful Iron,\u201d<\/a> written by <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/kylerr\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kyler Rasmussen<\/a>:<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>This post is a summary of the article \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/finding-nephis-ore\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">Finding Nephi\u2019s Ore<\/a>\u201d by Bradley R. Larsen in Volume 63 of <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em>. All of the Interpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em>articles may be seen at <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/category\/summaries\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/category\/summaries\/<\/a>. An introduction to the Interpreting <em>Interpreter<\/em> series is available at <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>A video introduction to this Interpreter article is now available on all of our social media channels, including on YouTube at <a href=\"https:\/\/youtube.com\/shorts\/nqGqLnCltac\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/youtube.com\/shorts\/bPuXDj70KB4<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>The Takeaway: \u00a0<\/strong>Larsen provides some additional insights into the potential Bountiful site at Khor Kharfot and Wadi Sayq, based on an extensive expedition to the area in 2016-17. He details evidence that the area had a deeper lagoon and greater access to usable iron deposits than previously thought, making the area more suitable for shipbuilding.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<figure id=\"attachment_69745\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-69745\" style=\"width: 536px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/01\/48407743_10157267620680016_4078803473187995648_n.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-69745\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/01\/48407743_10157267620680016_4078803473187995648_n.jpg\" alt=\"Muslim Santa Claus?\" width=\"536\" height=\"768\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-69745\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">I think it might plausibly be argued that the Muslim man shown praying in a mosque in this photograph, which was kindly sent to me by Matthew Wheeler, neither hates Christians nor despises Christmas.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Not long after the launch of what is now called <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em> in August 2012, we conceived the idea of running special holiday essays on the Friday immediately prior to Christmas and on Good Friday, which, of course, immediately precedes Easter Sunday. \u00a0Worthwhile though it is and would be, it seemed wrong, somehow \u2014 it just didn\u2019t seem seasonally appropriate \u2014 for <em>Interpreter<\/em> to publish an essay, on Good Friday or even on Christmas Day itself, that was devoted, say, to Semitic etymologies in Uto-Aztecan, or to EModE syntax in the Original Manuscript of the Book of Mormon, or to the precise GPS coordinates of the Jaredite city of Lib.<\/p>\n<p>Accordingly, we resolved to invite submissions specifically for those holiday seasons. \u00a0We didn\u2019t dictate the approach that authors could or should take, but we said that, if their authors chose, the holiday essays could be more personal or inspirational or devotional than our articles typically are. \u00a0Or they could be academic, if an author chose, but specifically relevant to the holiday for which they were written.<\/p>\n<p>In the hope that at least some of the readers here might find them interesting and helpful for this Christmas season, I\u2019m providing a list of the Christmas articles that we\u2019ve published thus far (though not of the Easter articles), with links:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span class=\"\">Orson Scott Card wrote our first, for Christmas 2014:<\/span><\/span> <a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/christmas-is-about-a-baby\/#more-6417\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/christmas-is-about-a-baby\/#more-6417<\/a><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span class=\"\">Clayton Christensen wrote our Christmas message for 2015:<\/span><\/span> <a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"http:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/he-did-it-a-christmas-message\/#more-7981\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/he-did-it-a-christmas-message\/#more-7981<\/a><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span class=\"\">Sharon Eubank wrote our Christmas message for 2016: <\/span><\/span><a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/the-song-i-cannot-sing\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/the-song-i-cannot-sing<\/a><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">\/<\/span><\/li>\n<li>\n<div>Jenny Oaks Baker was the Christmas essayist for 2017: <a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/author\/jennyb\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/author\/jennyb<\/a><span style=\"font-size: medium;\">\/<\/span><\/div>\n<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"\">Elder Spencer J. Condie provided the 2018 Christmas piece: <\/span><a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/christmas-in-transition-from-figgy-pudding-to-the-bread-of-life\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/christmas-in-transition-from-figgy-pudding-to-the-bread-of-life<\/a>\/<\/li>\n<li><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span class=\"\">The Christmas essay for 2019 came from Kristine Wardle Frederickson:\u00a0<\/span><\/span><a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/musings-on-the-birth-of-the-savior-jesus-christ\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/musings-on-the-birth-of-the-savior-jesus-christ\/<\/a><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"\"><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\">Cherry Bushman Silver contributed the 2020 Christmas essay: <\/span><\/span><span class=\"\"><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\"><a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/christmas-as-devotional-a-time-of-commitment\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/christmas-as-devotional-a-time-of-commitment\/<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\">Daniel C. Peterson furnished the 2021 Christmas article (as a last-minute substitution): <\/span><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\"><a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/christmas-and-a-condescending-god\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/christmas-and-a-condescending-god\/<\/a><\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\">David F. Holland authored our 2022 Christmas piece: \u00a0<\/span><a class=\" decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/puritans-pagans-and-imperfect-christmas-gifts\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"\" style=\"font-size: medium;\">https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/puritans-pagans-and-imperfect-christmas-gifts\/<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<li>Kent P. Jackson wrote our 2023 Christmas essay: <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/glory-to-god-in-the-highest\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/glory-to-god-in-the-highest\/<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Our invited Christmas essay for 2024 will appear next Friday, 20 December 2024. \u00a0I hope that you\u2019ll enjoy it.<\/p>\n<p>Astonishingly, since the founding of the Interpreter Foundation in August 2012, and despite the fact that our authors receive no financial remuneration at all, we have never lacked for submissions, and we have never missed a Friday publication. \u00a0Our Easter and Christmas articles are unique in one other respect, though, beyond their often personal and essayistic character: \u00a0They are, as I\u2019ve indicated, <em>invited<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Which entails something: \u00a0Whereas we have always had (and, as of now, continue to have) a number of articles in the queue awaiting publication for every other Friday of the year, the situation is distinctly different for Good Fridays and Fridays-immediately-before-Christmas. \u00a0For those days, we have only a single article awaiting publication. \u00a0And if, for some reason, that article falls through, there is no alternative Easter or Christmas essay waiting patiently in the queue. \u00a0Which explains my own 2021 Christmas piece: \u00a0The Christmas article for that year fell through at the last possible moment. \u00a0It was so late in the process, in fact, that I was too embarrassed to approach anybody else as a substitute. \u00a0And yet we didn\u2019t want to skip our Christmas tradition that year. \u00a0So I went to the only person whom I dared to approach with such a request \u2014 myself \u2014 and I managed to toss something together pretty quickly. \u00a0I still feel awkward about that. \u00a0For one thing, I had never, ever, wanted to be included among those from whom we asked holiday essays. \u00a0But there you have it.<\/p>\n<p>This year, happily, the Christmas essay is already in hand and long since ready to go up. \u00a0A week from today. \u00a0Merry Christmas!<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_80754\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-80754\" style=\"width: 595px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/12\/First-Presidency-Christmas-Message-Photo-2019.jpeg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-80754\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/12\/First-Presidency-Christmas-Message-Photo-2019.jpeg\" alt=\"Mary and Joseph en route to Bethlehem\" width=\"595\" height=\"217\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-80754\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">From the official website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Finally, another piece of Christmas music that I treasure. \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=TOQRtYYERGo\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">This piece<\/a>, written by Chris Eaton and Amy Grant, represents the voice (and the humble heroism) of the young girl Mary:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div id=\"content\" class=\"lyrictxt\" style=\"color: #474747;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I have travelled many moonless nights<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Cold and weary, with a babe inside.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> And I wonder what I\u2019ve done.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Holy Father, you have come<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> And chosen me now<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> To carry your son.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"lyrictxt\" style=\"color: #474747;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I am waiting in a silent prayer.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> I am frightened by the load I bear.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> In a world as cold as stone,<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Must I walk this path alone?<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Be with me now.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Be with me now. \u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div class=\"lyrictxt\" style=\"color: #474747;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[Chorus]<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Breath of heaven,<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Hold me together.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Be forever near me.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Breath of heaven,<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Breath of heaven,<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Light up my darkness.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Pour over me your holiness,<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> For you are holy.<\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Breath of heaven,<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Do you wonder as you watch my face<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> If a wiser one should have had my place?<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> But I offer all I am<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> For the mercy of your plan.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Help me be strong.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Help me be . . .<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Help me . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">[Chorus: x2]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Breath of heaven!<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Breath of heaven!<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Breath of heaven!<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from Newport Beach, California<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 Last night, at the Islamic Center of Southern California, 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