{"id":112463,"date":"2025-08-19T19:43:34","date_gmt":"2025-08-20T01:43:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=112463"},"modified":"2025-08-19T19:43:34","modified_gmt":"2025-08-20T01:43:34","slug":"intimations-of-the-divine-from-science-and-from-intuition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2025\/08\/intimations-of-the-divine-from-science-and-from-intuition.html","title":{"rendered":"Intimations of the divine, from science and from intuition?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_25366\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-25366\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/08\/800px-Artists_Concept_Illustrating_Bulge__No_Bulge_Spiral_Galaxies.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-25366\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/08\/800px-Artists_Concept_Illustrating_Bulge__No_Bulge_Spiral_Galaxies.jpg\" alt=\"A pair of galaxies\" width=\"597\" height=\"477\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-25366\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">An artist\u2019s conception of two distant galaxies \u00a0(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I marked a number of passages during my recent reading of <em>Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious<\/em>, by the <em>New York Times<\/em> writer Ross Douthat. \u00a0(See my 19 June 2025 <em>Meridian Magazine<\/em> article <a href=\"https:\/\/latterdaysaintmag.com\/believe-a-thoughtful-defense-of-religion-in-a-secular-age\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c\u201cBelieve\u201d: A Thoughtful Defense of Religion in a Secular Age.\u201d<\/a>) \u00a0Here is one in which Douthat describes the intuitive sense of the divine that many people, if not most people, have experienced at one point or another in their lives \u2014 even though more than a few have then gone on to talk themselves out of it:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Start with the physical world, the material universe that human beings inhabit and experience and study. What your naive religious self observes, at every level of visible existence, are regular-seeming, complex, and predictable systems: the progress of the seasons, the stars in their courses, the everyday workings of the human body. In your own embodied existence, you find yourself surrounded by complex machines of flesh and bone, filament and fiber\u2014animals and insects, trees and flowers, their individual operations woven together in still-more-complicated ecosystems. And these systems don\u2019t just manifest a crude functionality; they often seem beautiful, graceful, and sublime, offering visions that even on an ordinary day can stir extraordinary awe, that both inspire and exceed the human capacity for art. \u201cThe heavens declare the glory of God,\u201d the Bible says, and when the biblical God wants to answer a suffering mortal\u2019s questions in the book of Job, He goes straight to this initial human intuition. The intuition that the world seems like a workshop and a cathedral and a theater and a machinist\u2019s shop and more. That nothing so vast and complex and beautiful could exist by simple accident. That either some Mind or Power must have made or organized all this matter for a reason, or else the Mind or Power is somehow inherent to the system, and the cosmos is itself divine. (14)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_33006\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-33006\" style=\"width: 280px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/04\/Max_Planck_Nobel_1918.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-33006\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/04\/Max_Planck_Nobel_1918.jpg\" alt=\"Professor Planck in 1918\" width=\"280\" height=\"396\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-33006\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Max Planck\u2019s official 1918 Nobel Prize photograph (Wikimedia Commons)<br>Planck, the founder of quantum theory, was among the most significant scientists of the twentieth century. He died in 1947.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>And now for a second and even longer passage from <em>Believe<\/em>: \u00a0I realize that quantum physics can be a tempting playground for cranks and wild speculations. \u00a0(Ideal territory for <em>me<\/em>, right?). \u00a0But some implications of some interpretations of quantum theory are really, really interesting. \u00a0Consider this, for example:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Quantum theory is, from one perspective, the place where the scientific project\u2019s expectations of perfect order and law-bound predictability have finally been disappointed, its questions answered by paradox and riddles. How can light be both a wave and particle? How can particles remain somehow \u201centangled\u201d even when separated by a great distance? And above all\u2014how can human observation be the only thing that transforms quantum contingency into definite reality, wave into particle, probability into certainty? . . .<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But the simplest explanation is still the so-called Copenhagen Theory, named for the city where Niels Bohr and Werner Heisenberg did their pioneering work, in which the conscious observer places a mysterious but essential role in collapsing quantum possibility into physical reality. That simplicity, wild as it seems, returns us to the fundamentals of the religious perspective on the world. It\u2019s scientific evidence that mind somehow precedes matter, that our minds have some integral relationship to physical reality, and that what holds all of the physical universe in actual existence, not just mere possibility and probability, is some larger form of consciousness itself. . . .<\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Spencer Klavan, in a recent essay on the long wrangle over quantum mechanics, makes the point this way: It has become customary to speak of the universe as existing for \u201cbillions of years\u201d before the advent of conscious life\u2014an empty cathedral built by no one, hurled into existence by a great burst of energy. The various competing explanations of this process all depend on resolving the many quantum possibilities of a tiny infant universe into a timeline of definite unfolding events, from the appearance of the first photons to the blazing fusion that would eventually create the first stars. But since those possibilities are manifold and indeterminate until observed\u2014since things like \u201cyears,\u201d \u201cenergy,\u201d \u201cphotons,\u201d and \u201catoms\u201d are exactly the kinds of things that cannot quite exist unseen\u2014it may turn out that we have been talking mostly about how these things would have behaved if there was someone there to watch them. And \u201cthe most fearsome heresy of all,\u201d he concludes, \u201cin an age committed to materialism, is that indeed there was someone there.\u201d (30)<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_26278\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-26278\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/09\/800px-Light_shining1.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-26278\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/09\/800px-Light_shining1.jpg\" alt=\"If you enlarge the darkness, it will also increase the light\" width=\"596\" height=\"447\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-26278\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">There is light, even amid darkness \u00a0(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/blockquote>\n<p>Another of Jonn Claybaugh\u2019s sets of concise notes went up today on the website of the Interpreter Foundation\u00a0for teachers and students of the <em>Come, Follow Me<\/em> curriculum of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/cfm-study-and-teaching-helps-dc-2025-lesson-35\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Come, Follow Me<\/em> \u2014 D&amp;C Study and Teaching Helps (2025): Doctrine and Covenants 93: August 25 \u2013 31: \u201cReceive of His Fulness\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>And this, too, went up today on the unchanging website of the Interpreter Foundation: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreter-come-follow-me-podcast-doctrine-covenants-93-for-august-25-31\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Interpreter Foundation Come, Follow Me Podcast: August 25 \u2013 31: \u201cReceive of His Fulness\u201d: Doctrine &amp; Covenants 93<\/a><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>For the 11 August 2025 <em>Come, Follow Me<\/em> segment of the Interpreter Foundation Podcast, Martin Tanner and Brent Schmidt talked about the <em>Come, Follow Me<\/em> Doctrine &amp; Covenants lesson for August 25 \u2013 31 covering D&amp;C 93. \u00a0The Discussion segment of the 11 August 2025 podcast can be accessed at <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreter-podcast-august-11-2025\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreter-podcast-august-11-2025<\/a>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_112469\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-112469\" style=\"width: 613px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2025\/08\/HumanitarianExterior_Detail.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-112469\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2025\/08\/HumanitarianExterior_Detail.jpg\" alt=\"SLC's ginormous Humanitarian Center\" width=\"613\" height=\"436\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-112469\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The main entrance to the enormous Humanitarian Center of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Salt Lake City, Utah (LDS Church photo)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>I close, as I frequently do, with specimens of horror that I\u2019ve retrieved from the <em>Christopher Hitchens Memorial \u201cHow Religion Poisons Everything\u201d File<\/em>\u2122:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/news-pacific.churchofjesuschrist.org\/love-of-god-and-neighbour-inspires-pacific-saints-to-support-communities-in-need\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cLove of God and Neighbour Inspires Pacific Saints to Support Communities in Need:\u00a0World Humanitarian Day, August 19, is a chance to reflect on past efforts and plan new ones\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>It seems that there is always a serpent in paradise. \u00a0Even among the balmy breezes and swaying palm trees of the Pacific islands, the evils of theism are impossible to avoid.<\/p>\n<p>And, in <em>this<\/em> story, there are actual photographs of Jews and Latter-day Saints cooperating (at the so-called \u201cHumanitarian Center\u201d in Salt Lake City) to visit some of the evil fruits of theism upon unsuspecting innocents: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/american-jewish-committee-latter-day-saints\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cLatter-day Saints and American Jewish Committee Deepen Friendship Through Dialogue:\u00a0The visit reaffirms the Church\u2019s longstanding friendship with the AJC\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 I marked a number of passages during my recent reading of Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious, by the New York Times writer Ross Douthat. \u00a0(See my 19 June 2025 Meridian Magazine article \u201c\u201cBelieve\u201d: A Thoughtful Defense of Religion in a Secular Age.\u201d) \u00a0Here is one in which Douthat describes the intuitive sense of [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":41591,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[39050,909,2601,11582,8768,401],"class_list":["post-112463","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-copenhagen-theory","tag-faith","tag-god","tag-intuition","tag-quantum","tag-theism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Intimations of the divine, from science and from intuition?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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