{"id":112937,"date":"2025-09-21T19:32:24","date_gmt":"2025-09-22T01:32:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=112937"},"modified":"2025-09-22T16:09:42","modified_gmt":"2025-09-22T22:09:42","slug":"perhaps-i-should-just-let-sleeping-dogmatists-lie","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2025\/09\/perhaps-i-should-just-let-sleeping-dogmatists-lie.html","title":{"rendered":"Perhaps I should just let sleeping dogmatists lie?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_85864\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-85864\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/06\/Sacrament-Meeting-cropped.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-85864\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/06\/Sacrament-Meeting-cropped.jpg\" alt=\"Saints singing\" width=\"597\" height=\"336\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-85864\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A Latter-day Saint congregation in 2012. (LDS Media Library)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>This column in the <em>Deseret News<\/em> is worth a look: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/faith\/2025\/09\/20\/accurately-representing-the-latter-day-saints\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cPerspective: Online influencers aren\u2019t accurately representing Latter-day Saint reality:\u00a0Disaffected influencers might be leaving a religious movement, but they\u2019re not leading one\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>So is this piece, from the Deseret News Editorial Board: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/opinion\/2025\/09\/19\/regain-public-trust-in-vaccinations\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cOpinion: Regaining trust in vaccinations\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>And this, too: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/politics\/2025\/09\/20\/the-new-counterculture-braver-angels-maury-giles\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u00a0\u201cReady to join the new counterculture? Braver Angels\u2019 leader says it will take courage:\u00a0In a culture of widening contempt, we have the power to choose something better, says Maury Giles\u201d<\/a>\u00a0 (Scarcely relevant footnote: Years ago, I participated \u2014 at his invitation \u2014 in three small meetings organized by David Blankenhorn: one Malaga, in southern Spain; one at the Carter Center in Atlanta; and one on the Mediterranean island of Malta. \u00a0They were attempts to foster dialogue between the West and the Islamic Middle East. \u00a0I haven\u2019t been involved in Braver Angels, but I applaud its intent. \u00a0David Blankenhorn is always trying to improve conversation across yawning divides.)<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_17010\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-17010\" style=\"width: 400px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/01\/400px-Chemistry_Lab.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-17010\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/01\/400px-Chemistry_Lab.jpg\" alt=\"In a chemistry lab\" width=\"400\" height=\"600\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-17010\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">This gentleman is probably doing neither field archaeology, ancient history, textual analysis, nor historical linguistics. \u00a0(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Responding to a comment following my blog entry <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2025\/09\/calling-all-experts.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cCalling All Experts!\u201d<\/a>\u00a0I remarked that, on medical subjects, \u201cas I do in many areas of my life, I tend to accept the consensus of experts.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Unsurprisingly, that remark draw mockery from my groupies at the Peterson Obsession Board. \u00a0After all, they follow me with absolutely rapt attention pretty much twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, and many of them are either incapable of accurately understanding what I say or too intoxicated with hatred to care about attempting such an understanding.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cFolks,\u201d says one of them, \u201cyou can\u2019t make this stuff up\u201d \u2014 a formulaic comment that is commonly used on the Obsession Board, as in this case, to signal that something made-up has just been presented or is <em>about<\/em> to be presented. \u00a0After all, he says, Peterson is a guy \u201cwho employs [<em>sic<\/em>] LDS academics for the express purpose of going against the consensus of experts.\u201d \u00a0Which, I guess, is supposed to be a contradiction. \u00a0Which, comments another groupie, proves me a \u201chypocrite.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Except, of course, that it <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Why? \u00a0I\u2019ll try to explain this so clearly that any reasonably intelligent and minimally honest reader should be able to follow me. \u00a0How my groupies at the <em>Obsession Board<\/em> will react, of course, is a different matter.<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_112940\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-112940\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2025\/09\/Square_of_opposition.svg_.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-112940\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2025\/09\/Square_of_opposition.svg_.png\" alt=\"Basic logic. VERY basic.\" width=\"597\" height=\"566\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-112940\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The logical \u201csquare of opposition\u201d (Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>The four corners of the chart shown above represent the four basic forms of propositions recognized in classical (Aristotelian) logic:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>A<\/strong> propositions, or <em>universal affirmatives<\/em>, take the form: <em>All S are P <\/em>or<em> Every S is a P.<\/em><br>\n<strong>E<\/strong> propositions, or <em>universal negations<\/em>, take the form: <em>No S are P <\/em> or<em> No S is a P<\/em>.<br>\n<strong>I<\/strong> propositions, or <em>particular affirmatives<\/em>, take the form: <em>Some S are P <\/em>or<em> Some S is a P.<\/em><br>\n<strong>O<\/strong> propositions, or <em>particular negations<\/em>, take the form: <em>Some S are not P<\/em> or <em>Some S is not P.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>On the assumption made within classical (Aristotelian) categorical logic, that every category contains at least one member, the following relationships hold within the square:<\/p>\n<p>Firstly, <strong>A<\/strong> and <strong>O<\/strong> propositions are <em><strong>contradictory<\/strong><\/em>, as are <strong>E<\/strong> and <strong>I<\/strong> propositions. Propositions are contradictory when the truth of one implies the falsity of the other, and conversely. Thus, the truth of a proposition of the form <em>All S are P<\/em> implies the falsity of the corresponding proposition of the form <em>Some S are not P<\/em>. \u00a0For example, if the proposition \u201cAll expert consensus opinions are trustworthy\u201d <strong>(A)<\/strong> is <em>true<\/em>, then the proposition \u201cSome expert consensus opinions are not trustworthy\u201d <strong>(O)<\/strong> must be <em>false<\/em>. Similarly, if \u201cNo expert consensus views are trustworthy\u201d <strong>(E)<\/strong> is <em>false<\/em>, then the proposition \u201cSome expert consensus views are trustworthy\u201d must be <em>true<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Secondly, <strong>A<\/strong> and <strong>E<\/strong> propositions are <em><strong>contrary<\/strong><\/em>. Propositions are contrary when they cannot <em>both<\/em> be true. An <strong>A<\/strong> proposition \u2014 e.g., \u201cAll experts are right\u201d \u2014 cannot be true at the same time as the corresponding <strong>E<\/strong> proposition: \u201cNo experts are right.\u201d Please note, however, that <strong>A<\/strong> and <strong>E<\/strong> propositions, while they are contrary, are not contradictory. While they cannot both be <em>true<\/em>, they <em>can <\/em>both be <em>false<\/em>; \u201cAll experts are right\u201d and \u201cNo experts are right\u201d don\u2019t exhaust the logical possibilities: \u00a0\u201cSome experts are right\u201d (a proposition of form <strong>I<\/strong>), if it is the case, obviously falsifies the corresponding <strong>A<\/strong> and <strong>E<\/strong> propositions.<\/p>\n<p>Next, <strong>I<\/strong> and <strong>O<\/strong> propositions are what classical Aristotelian logic terms <em><strong>subcontrary<\/strong><\/em>. Propositions are subcontrary when it is impossible for both to be <em>false<\/em>. Because \u201cSome experts are infallible\u201d is false, \u201cSome experts are not infallible\u201d must be true. Please notice, however, that it is possible for corresponding <strong>I<\/strong> and <strong>O<\/strong> propositions both to be <em>true<\/em>, as with \u201cSome authorities are reliable,\u201d and \u201cSome authorities are not reliable.\u201d Again, <strong>I<\/strong> and <strong>O<\/strong> propositions are subcontrary, but they are neither contrary nor contradictory.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, two propositions are deemed to stand in the relation of <em><strong>subalternation<\/strong><\/em> when the truth of the first (the \u201csuperaltern\u201d) implies the truth of the second (the \u201csubaltern\u201d), but <em>not<\/em> conversely. <strong>A<\/strong> propositions stand in the relation of subalternation with the corresponding <strong>I<\/strong> propositions. The truth of the <strong>A<\/strong> proposition \u201cAll experts are fallible\u201d implies the truth of the proposition \u201cSome experts are fallible.\u201d However, the truth of the <strong>O<\/strong> proposition \u201cSome experts are not correct\u201d does not imply the truth of the <strong>E<\/strong> proposition \u201cNo experts are correct.\u201d In traditional logic, the truth of an <strong>A<\/strong> or an <strong>E<\/strong> proposition implies the truth of the corresponding <strong>I<\/strong> or <strong>O<\/strong> proposition, respectively. Consequently, the falsity of an <strong>I<\/strong> or <strong>O<\/strong> proposition implies the falsity of the corresponding <strong>A<\/strong> or <strong>E<\/strong> proposition, respectively. However, the <em>truth<\/em> of a particular proposition does not imply the truth of the corresponding universal proposition, nor does the falsity of a universal proposition carry downwards to the respective particular propositions.<\/p>\n<p>To return to my own specific case: \u00a0I wrote that, in many areas of my life, I tend to accept the consensus of experts. \u00a0I did <em>not<\/em> say that I <em>always<\/em> accept the consensus of experts in <em>all<\/em> areas of my life. \u00a0What I actually <em>did<\/em> say can be translated into an <strong>I<\/strong> proposition, as follows: \u00a0[Peterson believes that] <em>Some consensus views of experts are worthy of trust<\/em>, i.e., that <em>Some S are P<\/em>. \u00a0Is it possible, though, for an <strong>I<\/strong> proposition to be true at the same time that an <strong>O<\/strong> proposition \u2014 <em>Some S are not P \u2014<\/em> is true? \u00a0Yes, it is. \u00a0See above. \u00a0They are subcontraries. \u00a0They are not contrary statements, nor are they contradictory statements. \u00a0It is possible \u2014 and it doesn\u2019t make one a \u201chypocrite\u201d \u2014 to believe, at the same time, that <em>Some consensus views of experts are worthy of trust\u00a0<\/em>and that <em>Some consensus views of experts are <\/em>not<em> worthy of trust.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Thus, I can be inclined to accept consensus medical and pharmacological views while, at the same time \u2014 and with neither hypocrisy nor self-contradiction \u2014 I dissent from consensus views about some aspects of pre-Classical Mesoamerica and related matters.<\/p>\n<p>I doubt, of course, that this little excursus into the first week of Logic 101 \u2014 drawn quite unoriginally from <a href=\"https:\/\/iep.utm.edu\/sqr-opp\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">https:\/\/iep.utm.edu\/sqr-opp\/<\/a> \u2014 will help my groupies over at the Obsession Board. \u00a0I doubt that they <em>want<\/em> help. \u00a0Still, although I\u2019m retired from the university, I remain by disposition a teacher. As the late Geoffrey Chaucer put it:<\/p>\n<div>\n<blockquote><p>A Clerk ther was of Oxenford also,<br>\nThat unto logyk hadde longe ygo. . . .<br>\nSownynge in moral vertu was his speche,<br>\nAnd gladly wolde he lerne and gladly teche.<\/p>\n<div>\n<p>A Clerk there was also, from Oxford,<br>\nThat had gone into the study of logic long ago. . . .<br>\nHis speech was always consistent with moral virtue,<br>\nAnd gladly would he learn, and gladly teach.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28246\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28246\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/11\/cannery-606759-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-28246\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/11\/cannery-606759-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"Preparing to distribute wheat.\" width=\"596\" height=\"397\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28246\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Church\u2019s humanitarian efforts are already many and varied.<br>(LDS.org)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p>Religions typically teach and encourage service, so, in the spirit of the <em>Christopher Hitchens Memorial \u201cHow Religion Poisons Everything\u201d File<\/em>\u2122 where this was found, we are obligated to conclude that service, emotional health benefits, well-being, and decreased depression must be terribly, toxically, bad things: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.deseret.com\/opinion\/2025\/09\/21\/service-boosting-mood\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cThe startling emotional health benefits of serving others:\u00a0In study after study, service towards others \u2014 both strangers and family \u2014 shows a measurable impact in boosting well-being and decreasing depression\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 This column in the Deseret News is worth a look: \u201cPerspective: Online influencers aren\u2019t accurately representing Latter-day Saint reality:\u00a0Disaffected influencers might be leaving a religious movement, but they\u2019re not leading one\u201d So is this piece, from the Deseret News Editorial Board: \u201cOpinion: Regaining trust in vaccinations\u201d And this, too: \u00a0\u201cReady to join the new [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":112940,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[2496,39197,2905,788,11000,39194],"class_list":["post-112937","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-dissent","tag-experts","tag-latter-day-saint","tag-mormon","tag-opinion","tag-scholarly-consensus"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Perhaps I should just let sleeping dogmatists lie?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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