{"id":21229,"date":"2015-06-14T09:05:28","date_gmt":"2015-06-14T15:05:28","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=21229"},"modified":"2015-06-14T09:05:28","modified_gmt":"2015-06-14T15:05:28","slug":"pre-mortality-and-perhaps-even-a-pre-mortal-council-in-the-quran","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2015\/06\/pre-mortality-and-perhaps-even-a-pre-mortal-council-in-the-quran.html","title":{"rendered":"Pre-mortality and perhaps even a pre-mortal council in the Qur\u2019an?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"color: #000000;\" src=\"https:\/\/c00022506.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com\/7_172.png\" alt=\"7:172\"><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" style=\"color: #000000;\" src=\"https:\/\/c00022506.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com\/7_173.png\" alt=\"7:173\"><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My hasty translation:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #008000;\">And when your Lord took their descendants from the children of Adam, from their loins, and caused them to testify against themselves. \u00a0\u201cAm I not your Lord?\u201d \u00a0\u201cYes, we have testified.\u201d \u00a0Lest you should say, on the Day of Resurrection, \u201cWe were unaware of that.\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #008000;\">Or should say \u201cOur fathers were idolators before us, and we are their descendants following after them. \u00a0Will you destroy us for what the falsifiers have done?\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><span style=\"color: rgb(0, 128, 0);\">(Qur\u2019an 7:172-173)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The commentators have discussed and argued over these verses for many centuries, since the beginning. \u00a0Some have suggested that they refer to a sort of covenant in a sort of human pre-mortal existence.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Pre-mortal existence isn\u2019t a doctrine of the Qur\u2019an otherwise, though one might argue that its constant description of death as a \u201creturn\u201d to God implies something of that sort.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And pre-mortality isn\u2019t a doctrine of mainstream Islam, although some thinkers (such as the great philosopher Ibn Sina [Avicenna] and the equally great Persian mystic poet Jalal al-Din Rumi) seem to have believed that humans lived before they came to earth.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from San Antonio, Texas<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 My hasty translation: \u00a0 And when your Lord took their descendants from the children of Adam, from their loins, and caused them to testify against themselves. \u00a0\u201cAm I not your Lord?\u201d \u00a0\u201cYes, we have testified.\u201d \u00a0Lest you should say, on the Day of Resurrection, \u201cWe were unaware of that.\u201d Or should say [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-21229","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Pre-mortality and perhaps even a pre-mortal council in the Qur\u2019an?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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