{"id":27318,"date":"2015-10-20T09:31:41","date_gmt":"2015-10-20T15:31:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=27318"},"modified":"2015-10-20T10:10:05","modified_gmt":"2015-10-20T16:10:05","slug":"kate-kelly-helps-to-ordain-a-female-catholic-priest","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2015\/10\/kate-kelly-helps-to-ordain-a-female-catholic-priest.html","title":{"rendered":"Kate Kelly helps to ordain a female Catholic priest"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_27319\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-27319\" style=\"width: 320px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/10\/320px-Astarte_Syriaca.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-27319\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/10\/320px-Astarte_Syriaca.jpg\" alt=\"is this where we're headed?\" width=\"320\" height=\"530\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-27319\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dante Gabriel Rossetti (1876)<br>The Goddess Astarte Syriaca<br>(Wikimedia Commons Public Domain)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m not making this up:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.sltrib.com\/home\/3075882-155\/salt-lake-city-woman-is-first\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.sltrib.com\/home\/3075882-155\/salt-lake-city-woman-is-first<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>(For those who may not recall, Kate Kelly founded \u201cOrdain Women,\u201d and was excommunicated in June 2014.)<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>To my untutored eye, at least, Ms. Kelly\u2019s joining in the ordination suggests a rather different view of priesthood \u2014 whether that be Catholic or Latter-day Saint priesthood \u2014 than most <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormons<\/a> (or most Catholics) hold.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Where, for example, did she obtain ordination such that she can transmit it to anybody else? \u00a0Where, in particular, did she gain <em>Catholic<\/em>\u00a0ordination? \u00a0In what sense is she Catholic, or authorized to insert herself into matters intimately involved not only with the administration of the Catholic Church but, much more significantly, with its most holy sacraments and liturgy?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This sort of thing, in my judgment, should strengthen\u00a0the suspicion of many orthodox members in the pews that partisans of the women\u2019s ordination movements in Mormonism and Catholicism don\u2019t really believe in cardinal principles of the faiths in which they seek ordination. \u00a0It suggests, yet again, that they\u2019re not merely seeking incremental reform of their traditions but creating, wholesale, some kind of new religion or religions of their own.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Does Kate Kelly, who has now laid her hands upon a woman to consecrate her as a Roman Catholic priest, actually accept the primacy of the Pope or the doctrine of <em>extra ecclesiam nulla salus<\/em> (\u201cno salvation outside the Church\u201d)? \u00a0Does she regularly attend mass and make confession? \u00a0Does she believe in the \u201creal presence\u201d of the body and blood of the Son at communion? \u00a0Does she venerate the saints? \u00a0Or, from another angle, does this action of hers reflect any conviction on her part that, after centuries of apostasy and lack of divine authority on the earth, John the Baptist restored the Aaronic priesthood, and that Peter, James, and John restored the Melchizedek priesthood? \u00a0Does it suggest any belief on her part that the president of the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a> is the only person now living on the earth who both holds, and is authorized to exercise, all priesthood keys?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My strong suspicion is that Ms. Kelly\u2019s seemingly divergent theological views haven\u2019t emerged of a sudden, after her excommunication from the Church, but that they were present, if not openly expressed, for quite some time before that.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The Parliament of the World\u2019s Religions is a fascinating event, but it\u2019s also very much of a grab bag, and, on the whole, it leans decidedly leftward in politics and theology. \u00a0At this one, (at least nominally) Catholic and Mormon advocates of the ordination of women weren\u2019t exactly in short supply, along with Wiccans, advocates of New Age spirituality, Scientologists, and many other interesting folk. \u00a0Such antics as this \u201cordination,\u201d if they become hallmarks of the Parliament, will tend to skew the Parliament\u2019s participants yet further to the left, because mainstream believers won\u2019t come and mainstream religious organizations won\u2019t support it.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 I\u2019m not making this up: \u00a0 http:\/\/www.sltrib.com\/home\/3075882-155\/salt-lake-city-woman-is-first \u00a0 (For those who may not recall, Kate Kelly founded \u201cOrdain Women,\u201d and was excommunicated in June 2014.) \u00a0 To my untutored eye, at least, Ms. Kelly\u2019s joining in the ordination suggests a rather different view of priesthood \u2014 whether that be Catholic or Latter-day Saint 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