{"id":27482,"date":"2015-10-26T00:09:46","date_gmt":"2015-10-26T06:09:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=27482"},"modified":"2015-10-26T00:32:11","modified_gmt":"2015-10-26T06:32:11","slug":"womens-priesthood-advocate-kate-kelly-calls-new-lds-church-essays-lies","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2015\/10\/womens-priesthood-advocate-kate-kelly-calls-new-lds-church-essays-lies.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Women&#8217;s priesthood advocate [Kate Kelly] calls new LDS Church essays &#8216;lies'&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_27483\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-27483\" style=\"width: 578px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/10\/oquirrh-mountain-utah-temple-1012337-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-27483\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/10\/oquirrh-mountain-utah-temple-1012337-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"The fourth temple in the Salt Lake Valley\" width=\"578\" height=\"447\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-27483\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple<br>(Photograph from LDS.org)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>There are many points in this 9:30-minute video interview where I would want to comment \u2014 e.g., I think it very debatable that gender-related wage gaps in Utah or elsewhere in the United States have much\u00a0directly to do with \u201cpatriarchy,\u201d let alone with <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormonism<\/a> \u2014 but I do think that Ms. Kelly\u2019s remarks (e.g., calling for \u201cqueer people\u201d to be welcomed into full Church participation apparently regardless of their sexual behavior, and labeling the Church a \u201ccult\u201d) eloquently testify that she\u2019s decisively separated herself from her former faith, and strongly suggest that she\u2019d probably already done so prior to her excommunication:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/gephardtdaily.com\/local\/exclusive-womens-priesthood-advocate-calls-new-lds-church-essays-lies\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/gephardtdaily.com\/local\/exclusive-womens-priesthood-advocate-calls-new-lds-church-essays-lies\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Here are a couple of things that I wrote about Ms. Kelly earlier in the year:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2015\/02\/active-latter-day-saints-are-manifestly-inferior-specimens-of-humanity.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cActive Latter-day Saints are manifestly inferior specimens of humanity\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2015\/02\/why-on-earth-would-she-have-wanted-it.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cWhy on earth would she have <em>wanted<\/em> it?\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As I\u2019ve said several times, I have no strong feelings one way or the other regarding the ordination of women. \u00a0Are women as important as men? \u00a0Yes, absolutely. \u00a0Are women as competent as men? \u00a0Yes. \u00a0Obviously. \u00a0Are they as spiritually inclined? \u00a0Yes, and perhaps\u00a0more so. \u00a0My only concern is that\u00a0the Church, on this issue, be aligned with the will of God. \u00a0If I ever came to the conclusion that God wasn\u2019t involved in the Church, that there is not and never was any real revelation involved in it, that the priesthood was merely a human-devised organizational tool, Mormonism would hold no interest for me. \u00a0If God were to say tomorrow morning that women are to be ordained, I would be perfectly willing to sustain their ordination.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>As for Ms. Kelly, I wish her well. \u00a0And part of that well-wishing is the hope that, someday, she\u2019ll find her way back to the Lord\u2019s Church.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>(Thanks to Doug Ealy for calling this interview to my attention.)<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 There are many points in this 9:30-minute video interview where I would want to comment \u2014 e.g., I think it very debatable that gender-related wage gaps in Utah or elsewhere in the United States have much\u00a0directly to do with \u201cpatriarchy,\u201d let alone with Mormonism \u2014 but I do think that Ms. Kelly\u2019s remarks [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-27482","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>&quot;Women&#039;s priesthood advocate [Kate Kelly] calls new LDS Church essays &#039;lies&#039;&quot;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; &nbsp; There are many points in this 9:30-minute video interview where I would want to comment -- e.g., I think it very debatable that\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" 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