{"id":47343,"date":"2018-03-28T17:41:40","date_gmt":"2018-03-28T23:41:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=47343"},"modified":"2018-04-01T11:55:59","modified_gmt":"2018-04-01T17:55:59","slug":"the-immense-legacy-of-miletus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2018\/03\/the-immense-legacy-of-miletus.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;The immense legacy of Miletus&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_47346\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-47346\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/03\/Miletos_I_4749310141.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-47346\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/03\/Miletos_I_4749310141.jpg\" alt=\"Miletus, ancient remains\" width=\"597\" height=\"398\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-47346\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The ruins of ancient Miletus \u00a0 \u00a0(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I often encounter the glib dismissal from certain atheist critics that people in the twenty-first century shouldn\u2019t be seeking wisdom or guidance from Bronze Age goatherds, or something to that effect \u2014 by which, of course, they mean the Bible.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This has never struck me as a particularly cogent claim. \u00a0For one thing, most believing Christians and Jews don\u2019t read the Bible as a technological manual or a textbook on science, and science and technology represent the only areas in which some small degree of chronological snobbery actually seems to me warranted. \u00a0If I want to learn about astronomy, I don\u2019t go to Ptolemy or even Copernicus or Kepler. \u00a0For that matter, if I want to learn about evolution, rather than about the history of the concept of biological evolution, I don\u2019t resort to Darwin\u2019s <em>Origin of Species<\/em> or his\u00a0<em>Descent of Man<\/em>. \u00a0Such fields are constantly changing, and the cutting edge of science is perpetually in motion. \u00a0Older scientific books and articles, however epochal, are often of merely historical interest.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But in college courses across the nation and beyond, and for very good reason, the syllabus in subjects like ethics, aesthetics, logic, political theory, and literary criticism very often begins with Aristotle. \u00a0His treatises on\u00a0<em>Poetics<\/em> and on\u00a0<em>Rhetoric<\/em>, on <em>Politics<\/em>, and on <em>Metaphysics<\/em>, his <em>Nicomachean Ethics<\/em> and his <em>Eudemian Ethics<\/em>, his six-work discussion of logic known as the <em>Organon<\/em> \u2014 these are astoundingly brilliant and foundational texts that continue to be relevant in their fields.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>There is still very, very much to be learned from Plato, Sophocles, Confucius, Virgil, al-Ghazali, Maimonides, Dante, Milton, Shakespeare, Goethe, and scores of other great classical authors. \u00a0The fact that their views of chemistry and geology are now obsolete is of little relevance to their enduring value.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_47349\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-47349\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/03\/640px-Map_of_Lydia_ancient_times-en.svg_.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-47349\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/03\/640px-Map_of_Lydia_ancient_times-en.svg_.png\" alt=\"Miletus and other Greek settlements\" width=\"597\" height=\"413\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-47349\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">This Wikimedia Commons map of the Lydian Empire around BC 547 (at the time of King Croesus) \u2014 the red line represents a possible alternative border \u2014 shows Miletus (Greek, Miletos). Alas, I\u2019ve visited the city only once, driving down from Istanbul with my wife during our first visit to Turkey many years ago.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But I was amused early today, in this context, to read an opening statement in\u00a0<em>Reality Is Not What It Seems: The Journey to Quantum Gravity<\/em>, by the prominent Italian theoretical physicist Carlo Rovelli:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>This book begins in Miletus, twenty-six centuries ago. \u00a0Why begin a book about quantum gravity with events, people and ideas so ancient? \u00a0I hope the reader eager to get on to quanta of space will not hold this against me. \u00a0For it is easier to understand ideas by starting with the roots from which they have grown, and an important number of the ideas which turned out to be effective for understanding the world originated over two thousand years ago. \u00a0If we briefly retrace their birth, they become clearer, and the later steps turn out to be simpler and natural.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>But there\u2019s more. \u00a0Certain problems first posed in antiquity continue to be crucial to our understanding of the world. \u00a0Some of the most recent ideas about the structure of space utilize concepts and issues introduced then. \u00a0In speaking of these distant ideas, I put on to the table questions which are going to be central to quantum gravity. \u00a0This makes it also possible, when treating of quantum gravity, to distinguish between the ideas which go back to the very origin of scientific thought, even if we are unfamiliar with them, and those which are radically new. \u00a0The connection between problems posed by the scientists of antiquity, and solutions found by Einstein and quantum gravity, is, as we shall see, surprisingly close. \u00a0(1)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Apparently, Professor Rovelli \u2014 although he may or may not be a theist (my tentative guess is that he\u2019s not) \u2014 hasn\u2019t yet received the memo that old books are worthless and earlier thinkers irrelevant:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>This is the immense legacy of Miletus, cradle of philosophy, of the natural sciences, and of geographical and historical studies. \u00a0It is no exaggeration to say that the entire scientific and philosophical tradition, Mediterranean and then modern, has a crucial root in the speculations of the thinkers of Miletus in the sixth century BCE. \u00a0(6)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 I often encounter the glib dismissal from certain atheist critics that people in the twenty-first century shouldn\u2019t be seeking wisdom or guidance from Bronze Age goatherds, or something to that effect \u2014 by which, of course, they mean the Bible. \u00a0 This has never struck me as a particularly cogent claim. \u00a0For one [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1450,1453,1456,1447,1459,1444,1462,1468,1465],"class_list":["post-47343","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-ancient-texts","tag-bible","tag-chronological-snobbery","tag-miletus","tag-novelty","tag-origins-of-science","tag-value-of-history","tag-value-of-old-texts","tag-value-of-the-past"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>&quot;The immense legacy of Miletus&quot;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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