{"id":68043,"date":"2018-12-06T17:39:40","date_gmt":"2018-12-07T00:39:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=68043"},"modified":"2018-12-06T17:39:40","modified_gmt":"2018-12-07T00:39:40","slug":"son-of-in-praise-of-excommunication","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2018\/12\/son-of-in-praise-of-excommunication.html","title":{"rendered":"Son of &#8220;In Praise of Excommunication&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_38694\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-38694\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/12\/washington-dc-temple-christmas-668208-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-38694\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/12\/washington-dc-temple-christmas-668208-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"LDS temple in Maryland\" width=\"596\" height=\"397\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-38694\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Christmas at the Washington DC Temple (LDS.org)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Back on 22 November 2018 \u2014 roughly two weeks ago \u2014 I posted a blog entry entitled <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2018\/11\/in-praise-of-the-practice-of-excommunication.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cIn praise of excommunication.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Some time after that, an online article appeared under the title <a href=\"https:\/\/religionnews.com\/2018\/11\/30\/high-profile-excommunications-may-harm-mormon-retention-rates-in-the-long-run\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cHigh-profile excommunications may harm Mormon retention rates in the long run.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It summarizes a survey that I haven\u2019t yet examined directly but that seems worth a careful look. \u00a0Permit me, though, to offer two preliminary observations reacting to the summary alone.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Even if excommunicating certain people were really to drive certain others out of the Church \u2014 which I hope is not true on any statistically significant scale \u2014 it would still need to be done if (a) excommunication is, in cases meriting such action, the course that the Church is divinely mandated to follow and if (b) the cases involved merit such action. \u00a0There would be absolutely no eternal point in growing the Lord\u2019s Church, or even in maintaining its membership numbers, if the course adopted in order to do so caused the Church to be unfaithful to the Lord.<\/li>\n<li>The summary article describes active members as being \u201ctroubled\u201d by recent high-profile excommunications, and seems to take that as meaning that they <em>oppose<\/em> those excommunications. \u00a0(Perhaps the survey justifies that equivalence, but the article doesn\u2019t appear to do so.) \u00a0But <em>I\u2019m<\/em> troubled by those excommunications \u2014 they sadden me very much \u2014 and yet I don\u2019t oppose them and am certainly not contemplating departure from the Church over them.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Now, Christopher D. Cunningham, a fellow Patheos Mormon blogger who is apparently also (miracle of miracles!) a believing and communicant Latter-day Saint like me, has raised the issue again:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/christopherdcunningham\/2018\/12\/does-excommunication-make-any-sense\/?utm_source=Newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=Mormon&amp;utm_content=48\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cDoes Excommunication Make Any Sense?\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"7Yduxy6usL\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/christopherdcunningham\/2018\/12\/does-excommunication-make-any-sense\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Does Excommunication Make Any Sense?<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cDoes Excommunication Make Any Sense?\u201d \u2014 Christopher D. Cunningham\" src=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/christopherdcunningham\/2018\/12\/does-excommunication-make-any-sense\/embed\/#?secret=dcXc7VMNes#?secret=7Yduxy6usL\" data-secret=\"7Yduxy6usL\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In the meantime, my longtime friend and colleague Jack Welch has sent me a note on this subject. \u00a0In it, he expresses his opinion that \u201cthe Book of Mormon offers the most controlling and authoritative instructions\u201d on the subject of excommunication and points my attention specifically to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lds.org\/scriptures\/bofm\/mosiah\/26?lang=eng\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Mosiah 26<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lds.org\/scriptures\/bofm\/3-ne\/18\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">3 Nephi 18<\/a> \u2014 and most particularly to 3 Nephi 18:30-32.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Jack \u2014 who, in addition to being a professor of law and one of the foremost students of the scriptures in the entire history of the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a> (I say this with no intention of embarrassing him, but simply because it\u2019s the truth), has a remarkable wealth of experience in ecclesiastical leadership under his belt \u2014 is someone whose opinion on this subject I take very seriously.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Here is 3 Nephi 18:28-33:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p id=\"p28\" class=\"verse\" data-aid=\"128348312\"><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><strong><span class=\"verse-number verse\">28\u00a0<\/span>And now behold, this is the commandment which I give unto you, that ye shall not suffer any one knowingly to\u00a0partake\u00a0of my flesh and blood\u00a0unworthily, when ye shall minister it;<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p id=\"p29\" class=\"verse\" data-aid=\"128348313\"><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><strong><span class=\"verse-number verse\">29\u00a0<\/span>For whoso eateth and drinketh my flesh and\u00a0blood<span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span>unworthily\u00a0eateth and drinketh damnation to his soul; therefore if ye know that a man is unworthy to eat and drink of my flesh and blood ye shall forbid him.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p id=\"p30\" class=\"verse\" data-aid=\"128348314\"><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><strong><span class=\"verse-number verse\">30\u00a0<\/span>Nevertheless, ye shall not\u00a0cast\u00a0him out from among you, but ye\u00a0shall\u00a0minister\u00a0unto him and shall pray for him unto the Father, in my name; and if it so be that he repenteth and is baptized in my name, then shall ye receive him, and shall minister unto him of my flesh and blood.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p id=\"p31\" class=\"verse\" data-aid=\"128348315\"><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><strong><span class=\"verse-number verse\">31\u00a0<\/span>But if he repent not he shall not be numbered among my people, that he may not destroy my people, for behold I\u00a0know<span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span>my\u00a0sheep, and they are numbered.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p id=\"p32\" class=\"verse\" data-aid=\"128348316\"><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><strong><span class=\"verse-number verse\">32\u00a0<\/span>Nevertheless, ye shall not cast him out of your\u00a0synagogues, or your places of worship, for unto such shall ye continue to minister; for ye know not but what they will return and repent, and come unto me with full purpose of heart, and I shall\u00a0heal\u00a0them; and ye shall be the means of bringing salvation unto them.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p id=\"p33\" class=\"verse\" data-aid=\"128348317\"><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><strong><span class=\"verse-number verse\">33\u00a0<\/span>Therefore, keep these sayings which I have commanded you that ye come not under\u00a0condemnation; for wo unto him whom the Father condemneth.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I realize that a not insignificant number of those who vocally reject the idea and practice of excommunication also reject the antiquity and even the authority of the Book of Mormon. \u00a0Mainstream believing members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, however, won\u2019t lightly dismiss the teachings of the Book of Mormon on this topic.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 Back on 22 November 2018 \u2014 roughly two weeks ago \u2014 I posted a blog entry entitled \u201cIn praise of excommunication.\u201d \u00a0 Some time after that, an online article appeared under the title \u201cHigh-profile excommunications may harm Mormon retention rates in the long run.\u201d \u00a0 It summarizes a survey that I haven\u2019t yet [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-68043","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Son of &quot;In Praise of Excommunication&quot;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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