{"id":69400,"date":"2019-01-19T23:20:26","date_gmt":"2019-01-20T06:20:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=69400"},"modified":"2019-01-19T23:44:21","modified_gmt":"2019-01-20T06:44:21","slug":"heretics-and-other-insiders","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2019\/01\/heretics-and-other-insiders.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Heretics and Other Insiders&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_35533\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-35533\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/08\/sacramento-temple-769989-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-35533\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/08\/sacramento-temple-769989-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"Sacramento's temple\" width=\"597\" height=\"390\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-35533\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Sacramento California Temple (LDS.org)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A very significant little item by\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.mormoninterpreter.com\/author\/jeffl\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeff Lindsay<\/a>,\u00a0writing from Shanghai:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mormanity.blogspot.com\/2019\/01\/further-notes-on-one-of-earliest-hebrew.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cFurther Notes on One of the Earliest Hebrew Texts, the Silver Amulets of Ketef Hinnom\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #003300;\"><strong>***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I like the argument here. \u00a0I think it\u2019s solid:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/aestheism\/2015\/02\/heretics-and-other-insiders\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/aestheism\/2015\/02\/heretics-and-other-insiders\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Two reservations:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #003300;\"><strong>1.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m surely among those Latter-day Saints who insist \u2014 many times without result \u2014 on identifying themselves\u00a0as Christians.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve published <a href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Offenders-Word-Daniel-C-Peterson\/dp\/0934893357\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">a book<\/a> on the topic.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Is this solely about \u201cmarketing,\u201d though, as the author rather snootily dismisses it? \u00a0No. \u00a0It\u2019s about truth. \u00a0My theology doesn\u2019t work without Jesus. \u00a0My condition is hopeless without Christ. \u00a0In my view, the atonement and the resurrection of Jesus are not only historical facts but the very pivot, the entire eternal point, of history. \u00a0To have my view dismissed as non-Christian is, from my point of view, ineffably absurd and, simply, a factual untruth.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But I want to return to that somewhat condescending word <em>marketing<\/em>. \u00a0If you recast <em>marketing<\/em> as <em>missionary work<\/em> or as <em>evangelizing the world<\/em>, which is what we\u2019re really talking about, you can, if you\u2019re a believer, easily understand why getting our \u201cbranding\u201d right is so very important.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Permit me to cite J. B. Phillips\u2019s translation of the eighth chapter of Paul\u2019s first letter to the Corinthians:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"chapter-1\" style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #003300;\"><strong><span class=\"text 1Cor-8-1-1Cor-8-3\">Now to deal with the matter of meat which has been sacrificed to idols.<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #003300;\"><strong><span class=\"text 1Cor-8-1-1Cor-8-3\">It is not easy to think that we \u201cknow\u201d over problems like this, but we should remember that while knowledge may make a man look big, it is only love that can make him grow to his full stature. For whatever a man may know, he still has a lot to learn, but if he loves God, he is opening his whole life to the Spirit of God.<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"color: #003300;\"><strong><span id=\"en-PHILLIPS-2048\" class=\"text 1Cor-8-4-1Cor-8-13\">In this matter, then, of eating meat which has been offered to idols, knowledge tells us that no idol has any real existence, and that there is no God but one. For though there are so-called gods both in heaven and earth, gods and lords galore in fact, to us there is only one God, the Father, from whom everything comes, and for whom we live. And there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom everything exists, and by whom we ourselves are alive. But this knowledge of ours is not shared by all men. For some, who until now have been used to idols, eat the meat as meat really sacrificed to a god, and their delicate conscience is thereby injured. Now our acceptance of God is not a matter of meat. If we eat it, that does not make us better men, nor are we the worse if we do not eat it. You must be careful that your freedom to eat meat does not in any way hinder anyone whose faith is not as robust as yours. For suppose you with your knowledge of God should be observed eating meat in an idol\u2019s temple, are you not encouraging the man with a delicate conscience to do the same? Surely you would not want your superior knowledge to bring spiritual disaster to a weaker brother for whom Christ died? And when you sin like this and damage the weak consciences of your brethren you really sin against Christ. This makes me determined that, if there is any possibility of meat injuring my brother, I will have none of it as long as I live, for fear I might do him harm.<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>If Paul was concerned about how eating meat might interfere with the salvation of others, how much more, it seems to me, should we be concerned about gross misunderstandings or distortions that might prevent people from accepting the Restored Gospel of Christ? \u00a0If even a single person out there imagines that, by listening seriously to the message of the missionaries, he or she would be consorting with people who reject the saving role of Jesus Christ as our sovereign Lord and atoning Redeemer, that\u2019s spiritually dangerous and a tragedy. \u00a0Thus, we have to insist on clarity regarding this vital matter.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #003300;\"><strong>2.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>On a much less serious matter raised by the article: I think we should always be clear that, in excommunicating somebody from the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a>, the Church is simply saying that the excommunicated person is no longer a member of the Church. \u00a0\u201cMormonism\u201d is much more diffuse than is Church membership. \u00a0If people outside the Church but in some sense connected to the Restoration claim to be \u201cMormons,\u201d we really can\u2019t stop them. \u00a0(Some do so claim. \u00a0Many \u2014 members of the church formerly known as RLDS, for instance \u2014 often don\u2019t.) \u00a0However, since, for most non-Mormons (I think), <em>Mormon<\/em> means \u201cof or pertaining to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,\u201d we\u2019ll sometimes need to intervene for the sake of clarity \u2014 to point out, for instance, that Brian David Mitchell wasn\u2019t a Mormon any more when he kidnapped Elizabeth Smart, and that <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jeffrey_Lundgren\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeffrey Lundgren<\/a> was <em>never<\/em> a Mormon.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 A very significant little item by\u00a0Jeff Lindsay,\u00a0writing from Shanghai: \u00a0 \u201cFurther Notes on One of the Earliest Hebrew Texts, the Silver Amulets of Ketef Hinnom\u201d \u00a0 *** \u00a0 I like the argument here. \u00a0I think it\u2019s solid: \u00a0 http:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/aestheism\/2015\/02\/heretics-and-other-insiders\/ \u00a0 Two reservations: \u00a0 1. \u00a0 I\u2019m surely among those Latter-day Saints who insist [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[2764,870,1809,55],"class_list":["post-69400","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-are-mormons-christians","tag-christianity","tag-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints","tag-mormonism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>&quot;Heretics and Other Insiders&quot;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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