{"id":71521,"date":"2019-03-13T17:16:36","date_gmt":"2019-03-13T23:16:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=71521"},"modified":"2019-03-15T20:54:09","modified_gmt":"2019-03-16T02:54:09","slug":"anti-catholicism-my-church-and-i","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2019\/03\/anti-catholicism-my-church-and-i.html","title":{"rendered":"Anti-Catholicism, My Church, and I"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

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Cath\u00e9drale Notre-Dame de Paris (Wikimedia Commons)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

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From the Interpreter Foundation<\/a>, two discussions of Gospel Doctrine materials by Martin Tanner:<\/p>\n

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Audio Roundtable:\u00a0Come, Follow Me<\/em>\u00a0New Testament Lesson 11\u00a0\u201cThese Twelve Jesus Sent Forth\u201d<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n

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Audio Roundtable:\u00a0Come, Follow Me<\/em>\u00a0New Testament Lesson 12\u00a0\u201cWho Hath Ears to Hear, Let Him Hear\u201d<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n

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Also from the Interpreter Foundation, a video discussion by Hales Swift:<\/p>\n

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\u201cThe Lord Gives His Servants Power to Do His Work: A Video Supplement for\u00a0Come, Follow Me<\/em>\u00a0Lesson 11: \u201cThese Twelve Jesus Sent Forth\u201d\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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There is always hope:<\/p>\n

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\u201cListen: How Someone Who Actively Fought Against the Church for 26 Years Found His Way Back to the Gospel\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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Here\u2019s another bit of Church history from Rome:<\/p>\n

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\u201cApostles Testify of Jesus Christ in Rome:\u00a0Excerpts from \u201cThe Living Christ\u201d document given\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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And that will serve as a transition point for an issue that has been especially on my mind because of the remarkable events of this past weekend in Rome and Vatican City:<\/p>\n

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Back on 20 February 2019, I posted a comment here that I titled \u201cTheatricality in Church?\u201d<\/a> \u00a0As part of that post I recalled \u2014 not entirely positively \u2014 a spectacular experience that I had on 15 August 1970\u00a0when I attended a mass celebrated by the then cardinal-archbishop of Paris in the\u00a0Cathedral of Notre-Dame de Paris.<\/p>\n

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That blog entry brought a response from a distinguished senior Catholic scholar \u2014 formerly, among other things, a president of the Mormon History<\/a> Association \u2014 who describes himself as \u201ca faithful reader of [my] blog\u201d and who, at one point not too long ago, even seriously considered joining a tour of Israel with me. \u00a0(I would have loved it and would have been honored, but, in the end, health considerations kept him from coming.)<\/p>\n

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Among other things (on other subjects, not relevant here), he wrote:<\/p>\n

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Surely you know that dismissing the RC Church as mere theater \u00a0is an age-old mode of Puritan scorn.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n
Please consider this:<\/span><\/div>\n
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Is an address by President Nelson to thousands in LDS Conference Center backed by overwhelming power of the Tabernacle Choir not theatrical?<\/span><\/div>\n

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I replied to him, in part, as follows:<\/p>\n

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You raised a serious issue, and I want to make sure that I\u2019m clearly understand. I\u2019m not even remotely anti-Catholic, but perhaps I left myself open to misunderstanding. I would like to clarify my view, not only to you but publicly to anybody else who might be concerned.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Here\u2019s a quick public clarification:<\/p>\n

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When I said that I\u2019m \u201cnot even remotely anti-Catholic,\u201d I could easily go further. \u00a0I am, on the whole, an admirer of the Roman Catholic Church. \u00a0When I go to Rome, with all its fascinating historical sites, it\u2019s Vatican City that fascinates me the most. \u00a0And I think that my feelings when I\u2019m in and around St. Peter\u2019s Basilica, and particularly among the tombs of the popes, can fairly be described as \u201creverence.\u201d \u00a0(I\u2019m inclined to believe, for one thing, that the apostle Peter\u2019s tomb probably does sit below the high altar of the Basilica: \u00a0\u201cWhy was Peter in Rome?\u201d<\/a>)<\/p>\n

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One of the greatest experiences of my life was setting up and being involved with a project to digitize manuscripts in the\u00a0Bibliotheca Apostolica Vaticana, which, among other things, had me meeting with various high-ranking Vatican cardinals and, in particular, interacting with\u00a0Edward Idris Cardinal Cassidy<\/a>, whom I admire and respect. \u00a0I tell something about my experiences with him, and reflect more broadly on my feelings toward the Catholic Church, in<\/p>\n

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\u201cIt Took a Village to Prepare for the Restoration\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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I also wrote about Latter-day Saint attitudes toward the Catholic Church here:<\/p>\n

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\u201cMormon-Catholic tolerance goes back to Brigham Young\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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I consider Pope St. John Paul II one of the towering figures of the twentieth century, and a hero. \u00a0Being privileged to see him at fairly close range when I was invited to attend a meeting with him in Rome\u2019s Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls was a special thrill. \u00a0Father Georges Anawati<\/a>\u00a0was my tutor in Islamic philosophy during my last year in Cairo. \u00a0I held him not only in high esteem but in great affection, and I still do.<\/p>\n

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A story that I\u2019ve mentioned here before:<\/p>\n

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Back in September 2006, I was lecturing about Islam on behalf of the area presidency in Australia and New Zealand, as well as meeting with local political leaders, Muslim authorities, and so forth, and doing radio interviews. \u00a0While I was there, Pope Benedict XVI delivered\u00a0some controversial remarks at Germany\u2019s University of Regensburg, where he had once served as a professor. \u00a0Some thought that he had insulted Islam. \u00a0Very quickly, his comments became a focus of my interviews. \u00a0Thanks to the miracle of the internet, I was soon able to read the original German text of his remarks, which, in my judgment and understood in context, weren\u2019t nearly as inflammatory and negative as the press was reporting and as many Muslims were assuming. \u00a0(I do think that the Pope was perhaps surprised by the fact that the subtle nuances of an academic lecture\u00a0by the intellectually sophisticated former Professor Joseph Ratzinger were lost on sensationalistic and unsubtle journalists.)<\/p>\n

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Anyway, I found it ironic that I, a Latter-day Saint Islamicist, was soon busy on various radio programs defending the head of the Roman Catholic Church, pleading with people to calm down and carefully read what he had actually said rather than merely some cherry-picked excerpts. \u00a0But I was happy to do it. \u00a0The Pope\u2019s points were debatable, but they were intellectually serious, and they deserved intellectually serious responses.<\/p>\n

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Incidentally, I had to do one of my interviews by cell phone, pulled over at an ice cream place (to which Elder Louis Midgley and his wife had introduced me on a previous visit) alongside the (surprisingly noisy) road between Auckland and Hamilton, New Zealand. \u00a0Every once in a while a truck would go roaring by. \u00a0It was . . . unusual. \u00a0But, while we were there, we enjoyed the ice cream.<\/p>\n

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I should also point out that I have attended mass many times since that experience in Paris in 1970, and that, overwhelmingly, those experiences haven\u2019t struck me as \u201ctheatrical.\u201d \u00a0I would never, ever, maintain that the Roman Catholic Church is \u201cmere theater.\u201d \u00a0And, for the record, with a few exceptions, of all the members of the clergy that I met during my mission in Switzerland, I was most impressed with the Catholic priests and found them most congenial, intellectually and in other ways.<\/p>\n

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Finally, one of my children was born on what was, until relatively recently, the feast day of one of the official \u201cdoctors\u201d of the Catholic Church, a saint for whom my admiration is vast \u2014 and, for that reason, that child shares the name of that saint.<\/p>\n

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I realize that there was a lot of anti-Catholic rhetoric among Latter-day Saints in the nineteenth century and into the twentieth. \u00a0Elder Bruce R. McConkie was probably the last significant exponent of such views, but he was not encouraged in them by the leaders of the Church. \u00a0I believe that they were a legacy of the Protestantism of virtually all of our first converts.<\/p>\n

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But I don\u2019t share them. \u00a0And neither, I think, did Joseph Smith:<\/p>\n

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In August 1836, Joseph Smith visited the burnt-out remains of the Catholic Ursuline convent in Charlestown, Massachusetts. Two years previously, a mob, angered at Irish Catholic immigrants to the United States, had destroyed the convent and left dozens of Catholic nuns homeless. \u00a0Joseph was, evidently, indignant at the injustice.<\/p>\n

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\u201cIf it has been demonstrated that I have been willing to die for a \u2018Mormon,'\u201d he said in 1843, \u201cI am bold to declare before Heaven that I am just as ready to die in defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any denomination; for the same principle which would trample upon the rights of the Latter-day Saints would trample upon the rights of the Roman Catholics, or of any other denomination who may be unpopular and too weak to defend themselves. It is a love of liberty which inspires my soul \u2014 civil and religious liberty to the whole of the human race.\u201d<\/p>\n

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In a manuscript by Thomas Bullock that is preserved in the Church History Library of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a> (MS 155, box 4 folder 6), Joseph is reported to have said that<\/p>\n

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[the] old Catholic Church is worth more than all [the other churches]\u2014here is a princ[iple]. of logic\u2013that men have no more sense\u2013I will illustrate [with] an old apple tree\u2014here jumps off a branch & says I am the true tree. & you are corrupt\u2013if the whole tree is corrupt how can any true thing come out of it\u2014the charr[character] of the old ones have always been sland[ere]d. by all apos[tates] since the world began\u2014I testify again as God never will acknowledge any apost[ate]: any man who will betray the Catholics will betray you\u2013& if he will betray one anoth[e]r. he will betray you<\/span><\/p>\n

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Have I been clear enough? \u00a0While I am not a Catholic and while I disagree with certain important elements of Catholic doctrine and practice \u2014 or, to put it more positively, while I am a convinced and committed believer in the Restoration and in the Restored Church of Jesus Christ \u2014 I utterly and absolutely reject anti-Catholicism.<\/p>\n

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