{"id":74471,"date":"2019-05-26T15:35:03","date_gmt":"2019-05-26T21:35:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=74471"},"modified":"2019-05-26T15:38:09","modified_gmt":"2019-05-26T21:38:09","slug":"of-great-minds-average-minds-and-small-minds","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2019\/05\/of-great-minds-average-minds-and-small-minds.html","title":{"rendered":"Of great minds, average minds, and small minds"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_21169\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-21169\" style=\"width: 407px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/06\/GodfreyKneller-IsaacNewton-1689.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-21169\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/06\/GodfreyKneller-IsaacNewton-1689.jpg\" alt=\"Newton portrait\" width=\"407\" height=\"559\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-21169\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Sir Godfrey Kneller\u2019s 1689 portrait of Sir Isaac Newton. Sir Isaac\u2019s gossip columns for the London tabloids seem to have utterly vanished, leaving some to doubt that they ever existed at all. \u00a0(We saw his monumental tomb in Westminster Abbey yesterday.)<br>(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>That quotation, often (but probably incorrectly) attributed to the former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, has been on my mind a bit over the past few days, since I posted my entry <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2019\/05\/john-gees-good-news.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cJohn Gee\u2019s good news.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In response to that little post of mine, which was written fairly carefully to avoid reigniting any long-simmering controversy between those who founded the Maxwell Institute (formerly the Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies) and led it for decades and those who have controlled it since 2012, several new commenters showed up on my blog seeking to rekindle the old conflict or, worse still, to demonize Dr. Gee and, quite irrelevantly, to demonize me. \u00a0(I finally gave a couple of them the boot. \u00a0They already have plenty of venues in which to post mendacious falsehoods and vent their spleens. \u00a0They don\u2019t need my blog to do it, and I won\u2019t permit them to do it.)<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The earliest form of the statement above seems to come from a 1901 autobiography by one Charles Stewart. As a child in London, Stewart listened to the conversation of dinner guests such as the historian <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Henry_Thomas_Buckle\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Henry Thomas Buckle<\/a>. \u00a0Of Buckle, Stewart wrote<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong><span style=\"color: #993300;\">His thoughts and conversation were always on a high level, and I recollect a saying of his, which not only greatly impressed me at the time, but which I have ever since cherished as a test of the mental calibre of friends and acquaintances. Buckle said, in his dogmatic way:\u00a0\u201cMen and women range themselves into three classes or orders of intelligence; you can tell the lowest class by their habit of always talking about persons; the next by the fact that their habit is always to converse about things; the highest by their preference for the discussion of ideas.\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>For more information on the background of the quotation, see<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"69YpyQfASd\"><p><a href=\"https:\/\/quoteinvestigator.com\/2014\/11\/18\/great-minds\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Quote Origin: Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"\u201cQuote Origin: Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People\u201d \u2014 Quote Investigator\u00ae\" src=\"https:\/\/quoteinvestigator.com\/2014\/11\/18\/great-minds\/embed\/#?secret=taKoorkNfs#?secret=69YpyQfASd\" data-secret=\"69YpyQfASd\" width=\"500\" height=\"282\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The rule is, I think, simplistic. \u00a0While some folks \u2014 gossips, I suppose we would call them \u2014 seldom really rise above discussing people, nobody converses solely on the level of abstract ideas. \u00a0It would be weird, unnatural, and off-putting were someone to do so, to say nothing of it being impractical. \u00a0In fact, it would demonstrate a lack of human care and concern. \u00a0Still, I think that there is truth in the general principle.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In some ways, no form of discourse exists that is lower than malicious gossip. \u00a0As someone who has been on the receiving end of anonymous but public malicious online gossip, virtually daily, for about a decade and a half, I\u2019m particularly aware of the phenomenon, which I find essentially incomprehensible. \u00a0I can\u2019t imagine devoting a substantial portion of <em>my<\/em> life to such a pursuit.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from London, England<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 \u201cGreat minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.\u201d \u00a0 That quotation, often (but probably incorrectly) attributed to the former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, has been on my mind a bit over the past few days, since I posted my entry \u201cJohn Gee\u2019s good news.\u201d \u00a0 In response to that [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-74471","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Of great minds, average minds, and small minds<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; &nbsp; &quot;Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.&quot; &nbsp; That quotation, often (but probably\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2019\/05\/of-great-minds-average-minds-and-small-minds.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Of great minds, average minds, and small minds\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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