{"id":82641,"date":"2020-02-05T21:37:19","date_gmt":"2020-02-06T04:37:19","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=82641"},"modified":"2020-02-05T21:56:04","modified_gmt":"2020-02-06T04:56:04","slug":"interesting-thoughts-from-c-s-lewis-on-the-origins-of-modern-science","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2020\/02\/interesting-thoughts-from-c-s-lewis-on-the-origins-of-modern-science.html","title":{"rendered":"Interesting thoughts from C. S. Lewis on the origins of modern science"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_19356\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-19356\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/04\/1024px-Iceberg_with_hole_near_Sandersons_Hope_2007-07-28_2.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-19356\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/04\/1024px-Iceberg_with_hole_near_Sandersons_Hope_2007-07-28_2.jpg\" alt=\"Sunny Greenland\" width=\"596\" height=\"342\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-19356\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A balmy day in Greenland<br>(Wikimedia Commons public domain photo)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Things are constantly in flux in the world of science. \u00a0Here are two examples of revised dates in the history of primitive humans:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencenews.org\/article\/homo-erectus-came-indonesia-300000-years-later-than-once-thought\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c<em>Homo erectus<\/em>\u00a0arrived in Indonesia 300,000 years later than previously thought\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencenews.org\/article\/wasp-nests-key-dating-12000-year-old-aboriginal-rock-art\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWasp nests provide the key to dating 12,000-year-old Aboriginal rock art:\u00a0The technique involved dating mud wasp nest remnants found both beneath and on top of the paint\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>These items are more geological in character:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.insidescience.org\/news\/geologists-dig-origins-plate-tectonics\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cGeologists Dig Into the Origins of Plate Tectonics:\u00a0Researchers examined some of the oldest rocks in western Greenland to probe the beginnings of today\u2019s continents.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"js_link sc-1out364-0 fwjlmD decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/earther.gizmodo.com\/meet-iowas-400-000-year-old-living-fossil-1841448176\" data-ga='[[\"Permalink page click\",\"Permalink page click - post header\",\"standard\"]]' target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cMeet Iowa\u2019s 400,000-Year-Old Living Fossil\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And, now, astronomy:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/startswithabang\/2020\/02\/04\/our-home-supercluster-laniakea-is-dissolving-before-our-eyes\/#3b337d552e96\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cOur Home Supercluster, Laniakea, Is Dissolving Before Our Eyes\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencenews.org\/article\/19-more-galaxies-mysteriously-missing-dark-matter-found\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c19 more galaxies mysteriously missing dark matter have been found:\u00a0The newly found outliers defy ideas of how these star systems evolve\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\"><strong>***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve just been reminded of an interesting passage from C. S. Lewis, <em>The Abolition of Man<\/em> (1943). \u00a0Lewis, it should be recalled, was a specialist in medieval and Renaissance literature \u2014 intellectual history, in a sense \u2014 first at Oxford and then at Cambridge:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cThe fact that the scientist has succeeded where the magician failed has put such a wide contrast between them in popular thought that the real story of the birth of Science is misunderstood. You will even find people who write about the sixteenth century as if Magic were a medieval survival and Science the new thing that came in to sweep it away. Those who have studied the period know better.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cThere was very little magic in the Middle Ages: the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries are the high noon of magic. The serious magical endeavour and the serious scientific endeavour are twins: one was sickly and died, the other strong and throve. But they were twins. They were born of the same impulse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cI allow that some (certainly not all) of the early scientists were actuated by a pure love of knowledge, but if we consider the temper of that age as a whole we can discern the impulse of which I speak.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cThere is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the wisdom of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious \u2014 such as digging up and mutilating the dead.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cIf we compare the chief trumpeter of the new era (Bacon) with Marlowe\u2019s Faustus, the similarity is striking. You will read in some critics that Faustus has a thirst for knowledge. in reality, he hardly mentions it. It is not truth he wants from the devils, but gold and guns and girls. \u2018All things that move between the quiet poles shall be at his command\u2019 and \u2018a sound magician is a mighty god\u2019.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cIn the same spirit Bacon condemns those who value knowledge as an end in itself: this, for him, is to use as a mistress for pleasure what ought to be a spouse for fruit. The true object is to extend Man\u2019s power to the performance of all things possible. He rejects magic because it does not work; but his goal is that of the magician.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cIn Paracelsus the characters of magician and scientist are combined. No doubt those who really founded modern science were usually those whose love of truth exceeded their love of power; in every mixed movement the efficacy comes from the good elements not from the bad. But the presence of the bad elements is not irrelevant to the direction the efficacy takes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333399;\">\u201cIt might be going too far to say that the modern scientific movement was tainted from its birth: but I think it would be true to say that it, was born in an unhealthy neighbourhood and at an inauspicious hour. Its triumphs may have been too rapid and purchased at too high a price: reconsideration, and something like repentance, may be required.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 Things are constantly in flux in the world of science. \u00a0Here are two examples of revised dates in the history of primitive humans: \u00a0 \u201cHomo erectus\u00a0arrived in Indonesia 300,000 years later than previously thought\u201d \u00a0 \u201cWasp nests provide the key to dating 12,000-year-old Aboriginal rock art:\u00a0The technique involved dating mud wasp nest remnants [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1543,6630,1785,1788,1287,243],"class_list":["post-82641","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-c-s-lewis","tag-magic","tag-medieval","tag-middle-ages","tag-renaissance","tag-science"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Interesting thoughts from C. 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