{"id":88183,"date":"2020-09-19T10:58:15","date_gmt":"2020-09-19T16:58:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=88183"},"modified":"2020-09-19T18:39:19","modified_gmt":"2020-09-20T00:39:19","slug":"were-the-whitmers-marginal-social-outcasts-and-weirdos","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2020\/09\/were-the-whitmers-marginal-social-outcasts-and-weirdos.html","title":{"rendered":"Were the Whitmers marginal social outcasts and weirdos?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_86470\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-86470\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/07\/Resized_Resized_20200702_202743.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-86470\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/07\/Resized_Resized_20200702_202743.jpg\" alt=\"The 8 Witnesses in our documentary\" width=\"597\" height=\"411\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-86470\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The experience of the Eight Witnesses as recently re-created for the documentary portion of the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s forthcoming \u201cWitnesses\u201d film project, in a still photograph by James Jordan. I frankly confess that I was disappointed, at first, by the very mundane appearance of this scene. But then I realized that my reaction was irrational. That the experience of the Eight Witnesses with the plates of the Book of Mormon was mundane, prosaic, matter of fact, is precisely the POINT of their experience and what gives their account is remarkable evidentiary power.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>One of the questions that must inescapably be answered with regard to the Witnesses to the Book of Mormon involves their character, their personalities, their sanity \u2014 which inevitably comes down, at this distance in time, to the question of their public reputations.\u00a0 Now, of course, their public reputations suffered considerably from their association with Joseph Smith and the Restoration.\u00a0 So indicators of what people thought about them <em>prior<\/em> to their involvement with Joseph and the recovery of the Book of Mormon are of particular interest.\u00a0 Were they considered odd, eccentric, crazy?\u00a0 Did their neighbors regard them as dishonest or unstable?\u00a0 Were they marginal persons, on the fringes of acceptable society or even altogether beyond its bounds?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The late, great Richard Lloyd Anderson gathered a surprising amount of useful material on precisely such matters.\u00a0 Here are a couple of\u00a0 small, brief items from Professor Anderson\u2019s research that are highlighted in Ronald E. Romig, <em>Eighth Witness: The Biography of John Whitmer<\/em> (Independence, MO: John Whitmer Books, 2014).\u00a0 They are both about members of the Whitmer family.\u00a0 Christian Whitmer was one of the Eight Witnesses to the Book of Mormon.\u00a0 David Whitmer was one of the Three Witnesses:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #800000;\">As a young man, Christian, being recognized as a natural leader, was commissioned as an officer in the 102nd New York Militia in 1825, and served as Fayette Township constable in 1828-29 when he would have been thirty or thirty-one.\u00a0 (14)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Like Christian, David also served in the military, becoming a sergeant in 1826 in Fayette\u2019s newly organized militia, the \u201cSeneca Grenadiers.\u201d\u00a0 (15)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And here, while I have Ron Romig\u2019s book open, is a little sketch of the Whitmers at the period most relevant to the translation of the Book of Mormon:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #800000;\">In the spring of 1829, at the time of Joseph and Oliver\u2019s arrival, the Whitmer family formed a close grouping.\u00a0 In the home were parents Peter Sr. and his wife, Mary; their eighteen-year-old unmarried hired girl, Sarah Conrad; and four of the Whitmer children; twenty-six-year-old John; twenty-four-year-old David; nineteen-year-old Peter Jr.; and fourteen-year-old Elizabeth.\u00a0 Jacob and Elizabeth were living just a few steps away in the old Whitmer cabin.\u00a0 Christian and Anne may have been living with Frederick and Anna Schott one farm to the north.\u00a0 Hiram [Page] and Catharine, also, probably lived in the immediate neighborhood.\u00a0 (16-17)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">David Whitmer would be one of the Three Witnesses.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>John Whitmer, Peter Whitmer Jr., Jacob Whitmer, Christian Whitmer, and Hiram Page would see the plates in the experience of the Eight Witnesses.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Elizabeth Whitmer would eventually marry Oliver Cowdery, one of the Three Witnesses.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And Mary Whitmer, wife of Peter Whitmer Sr. and mother to David, John, Peter Jr., Jacob, Christian, and Elizabeth would be one of what I call the \u201cinformal\u201d or \u201cunofficial\u201d witnesses, and perhaps the earliest of <em>all<\/em> the witnesses to the golden plates as such.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 One of the questions that must inescapably be answered with regard to the Witnesses to the Book of Mormon involves their character, their personalities, their sanity \u2014 which inevitably comes down, at this distance in time, to the question of their public reputations.\u00a0 Now, of course, their public reputations suffered considerably from their [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[56,259,807,2181,1809,7914,5691,3040,316,319,11027,10573,3016,2905,1815,3037,11039,788,55,10570,313,3343,1615,16556,704,5688,7917,921],"class_list":["post-88183","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-book-of-mormon","tag-book-of-mormon-witnesses","tag-character","tag-christian","tag-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints","tag-david","tag-eight-witnesses","tag-elizabeth","tag-gold-plates","tag-golden-plates","tag-hiram-page","tag-jacob","tag-john","tag-latter-day-saint","tag-lds","tag-mary","tag-mary-musselman-whitmer","tag-mormon","tag-mormonism","tag-musselman","tag-oliver-cowdery","tag-peter","tag-plates","tag-reputation","tag-restoration","tag-three-witnesses","tag-whitmer","tag-witnesses"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Were the Whitmers marginal social outcasts and weirdos?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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