{"id":89998,"date":"2021-01-22T21:14:49","date_gmt":"2021-01-23T04:14:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=89998"},"modified":"2021-01-25T15:01:45","modified_gmt":"2021-01-25T22:01:45","slug":"joseph-smith-the-kirtland-egyptian-papers-the-book-of-abraham-the-beating-of-hiram-page-and-several-other-matters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2021\/01\/joseph-smith-the-kirtland-egyptian-papers-the-book-of-abraham-the-beating-of-hiram-page-and-several-other-matters.html","title":{"rendered":"Joseph Smith, the Kirtland Egyptian Papers, the Book of Abraham, the Beating of Hiram Page, and Several Other Matters"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_32442\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-32442\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/04\/St%C3%B6wer_Titanic.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-32442\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/04\/St%C3%B6wer_Titanic.jpg\" alt=\"The sinking of the Titanic\" width=\"596\" height=\"408\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-32442\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">To put the situation in metaphorical terms: Willy St\u00f6wer\u2019s \u201cDer Untergang der Titanic\u201d (1912)<br>Wikimedia Commons public domain image<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>We know, of course, that the Interpreter Foundation is nearly at death\u2019s door.\u00a0 Most notably, a critic who called himself <em>Bond James Bond<\/em> pointed this out almost precisely eight years ago, on 25 January 2013.\u00a0 And, just this morning, I learned on the same message board where Mr. Bond made his venerable prophecy that the disastrous failure that looms over the Foundation\u2019s <em>Witnesses<\/em> film project has reduced me to \u201cdesperation.\u201d\u00a0 Despite my fragile state of mind, though, I think I\u2019ll post yet another blog entry:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A new article, this one by <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/johng\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John Gee<\/a>, went up today in <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em>:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/prolegomena-to-a-study-of-the-egyptian-alphabet-documents-in-the-joseph-smith-papers\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cProlegomena to a Study of the Egyptian Alphabet Documents in the Joseph Smith Papers\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333300;\"><em><strong>Abstract:<\/strong>\u00a0For many theories about the Book of Abraham, the Egyptian Alphabet documents are seen as the key to understanding the translation process. While the original publication of those documents allows many researchers access to the documents for the first time, careful attention to the Joseph Smith Papers as a whole and the practices of Joseph Smith\u2019s scribes in particular allows for improvements in the date, labeling, and understanding of the historical context of the Egyptian Alphabet documents.This essay supports the understanding of these documents found in the other volumes of the Joseph Smith Papers that the Egyptian Alphabet documents are an incidental by-product of the translation process rather than an essential step in that process.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And you won\u2019t want to miss this:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/televised-interview-of-actor-paul-wuthrich-from-witnesses\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cTelevised Interview of Actor Paul Wuthrich from\u00a0<em>Witnesses<\/em>\u201c<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In fact, you might also want to listen to an interview on\u00a0KSL-Radio\u2019s <em>Movie Show with Doug Wright<\/em>\u00a0with Lincoln Hoppe (\u201cMartin Harris\u201d) and Michael Zuccola (\u201cyoung David Whitmer\u201d).\u00a0 The interview starts at roughly the 28:25 mark and ends at about 43:57:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/kslnewsradio.com\/category\/podcast_player\/?a=139eee4f-966b-4d29-b328-acb300110475&amp;sid=2021&amp;n=The+Movie+Show\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cMovie Show with Doug Wright\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Lincoln Hoppe (\u201cMartin Harris\u201d) also recorded this 24-minute podcast for <em>Hi-5 Live<\/em>.\u00a0 It begins a bit slowly, but it soon picks up:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/watch\/live\/?v=230120068616958&amp;ref=watch_permalink\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/watch\/live\/?v=230120068616958&amp;ref=watch_permalink<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And there\u2019s this, from <em>Mormon Life Hacker<\/em>:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/mormonlifehacker.com\/video-highly-anticipated-film-tells-the-untold-story-of-three-witnesses-to-the-book-of-mormon\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cHighly anticipated film tells the untold story of Three Witnesses to the Book of Mormon\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Maybe you missed this, from <em>Meridian Magazine<\/em>:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=oNnKs4Fx2kw\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c<em>Meridian Magazine Live<\/em> with <em>Witnesses<\/em> Director and Leading Cast.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And, coming up, the\u00a0LDS Film Festival will run from 24 February to 27 February at the Scera Theater in Orem, Utah.\u00a0 The festival has released its schedule, and <em>Witnesses<\/em> will be its opening film. The movie will play on the evening of Wednesday, 24 February, at 7:00 PM.\u00a0 They are also planning on a filmmakers Q&amp;A after the showing.<\/p>\n<p>On Saturday, 27 February, at 4:00 PM, <em>Witnesses<\/em> will have a 45-minute slot in the Filmmaking Presentation room, under the title <em>From the Plates of God to Big Screens of Silver: <\/em>Witnesses<em> Summer 2021<\/em>: \u201cDirector Mark Goodman and Producer Russ Richins have partnered with Purdie Distribution and The Interpreter Foundation to bring the incredible story of early LDS and American history to the big screen. They will share why having the right team is everything when embarking on a theatrical release of such an ambitious and landmark film.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Incidentally, my wife and I are just back from watching the beating of Hiram Page, one of the Eight Witnesses to the Book of Mormon, by an anti-Mormon mob.\u00a0 Earlier today, we looked on as Mary Musselman Whitmer, the mother of David, Christian, Jacob, John, and Peter Jr., and the mother in law of both Hiram Page and, later, Oliver Cowdery, was shown the plates of the Book of Mormon by a mysterious stranger in her barn near Fayette, New York.\u00a0 These scenes are being filmed for the docudrama and the short features that will accompany the <em>Witnesses<\/em> theatrical film.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I dunno.\u00a0 Maybe this is what \u201cdesperation\u201d looks like?<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #333300;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And, while I\u2019m at it, here are some past articles from <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em> to which I would like to call readers\u2019 attention.\u00a0 We\u2019ve published so <em>many<\/em> articles that it\u2019s understandable if you\u2019ve missed one or two:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/reflecting-on-gospel-scholarship-with-abu-al-walid-and-abu-hamid\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Daniel C. Peterson, \u201cReflecting on Gospel Scholarship with Ab\u016b al-Wal\u012bd and Ab\u016b \u1e24\u0101mid\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/book-review-comparing-and-evaluating-the-scriptures-a-timely-challenge-for-jews-christians-muslims-and-mormons\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Cassandra S. Hedelius, \u201cBook Review: <em>Comparing and Evaluating the Scriptures: A Timely Challenge for Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Mormons<\/em>\u201c<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333300;\"><em>Review of Paul F. Fink.\u00a0<\/em>Comparing and Evaluating the Scriptures: A Timely Challenge for Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Mormons<em>. Lompoc, CA: Summerland Publishing, 2008. 166 pp. $16.95 (paperback and e-book format).<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/biblical-and-non-biblical-quotes-in-the-sermons-and-epistles-of-paul\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">John A. Tvedtnes, \u201cBiblical and Non-Biblical Quotes in the Sermons and Epistles of Paul\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333300;\"><em>Abstract: In 2010, BYU\u2019s Neal A. Maxwell Institute published an article in which I demonstrated that the charge of plagiarism, frequently leveled against Joseph Smith by critics, is<\/em>\u00a0<em>untrue<\/em>. ((John A. Tvedtnes, \u201cWas Joseph Smith Guilty of Plagiarism?\u201d\u00a0<em>FARMS Review<\/em>\u00a022\/1 (2010): 261\u201375.))<em>\u00a0I noted, among other things, that the authors of books of the Bible sometimes quoted their predecessors. One of those authors was the apostle Paul, who drew upon a wide range of earlier texts in his epistles. This article discusses and demonstrates his sources.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/evangelical-controversy-a-deeply-fragmented-movement\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Louis C. Midgley, \u201cEvangelical Controversy: A Deeply Fragmented Movement\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333300;\"><em>Review of Kevin T. Bauder, R. Albert Mohler Jr., John G. Stackhouse Jr., Roger E. Olson.\u00a0<\/em>Four Views on the Spectrum of Evangelicalism<em>. Edited by Stanley N. Gundry, Andrew David Naselli, and Collin Hansen. Introduction by Collin Hansen. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 2011. 222 pp., with scripture index and general index. $16.99 (paperback).<br>\n<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333300;\"><em>Abstract:\u00a0<\/em>Four Views on the Spectrum of Evangelicalism<em>\u00a0should be helpful to Latter-day Saints (and others) seeking to understand some of the theological controversies lurking behind contemporary fundamentalist\/evangelical religiosity. Four theologians spread along a spectrum speak for different competing factions of conservative Protestants: Kevin Bauder\u200a ((Bauder is a research professor at Central Baptist Theological Seminary in Minneapolis, Minnesota.)) for what turns out to be his own somewhat moderate version of Protestant fundamentalism; Al Mohler ((In 1993 Mohler became the President of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky.))\u200a for conservative\/confessional ((The labels used to identify the brand of fundamentalism\/evangelicalism for which each author speaks are somewhat problematic. For example, to me it seems that Al Mohler speaks for the Calvinist\/Reformed version of evangelicalism which is currently in ascendance within the Southern Baptist Convention.))\u200a evangelicalism; John Stackhouse ((Stackhouse is professor of theology and culture at Regent College in Vancouver, Canada.))\u200a for generic evangelicalism; and Roger Olson ((Olson is professor of theology at George W. Truett Theological Seminary at Baylor University.))\u200afor postconservative evangelicalism. Each author introduces his own position and then is critiqued\u00a0<\/em><span class=\"pagenumber\" data-mce-mark=\"1\">[Page 64]<\/span><em>in turn by the others, after which there is a rejoinder. In addition, as I point out in detail, each of these authors has something negative to say about the faith of Latter-day Saints.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/in-his-footsteps-ammon-and-ammon\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Val Larsen, \u201cIn His Footsteps: Ammon\u2081 and Ammon\u2082\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #333300;\"><em>Abstract: Mormon is a historian with a literary sensibility and considerable literary skill. Though his core message is readily apparent to any competent reader, his history nevertheless rewards close reading. Its great scope means that much that is said must be said by implication. And its witness of Christ is sometimes expressed through subtle narrative parallels or through historical allegory. This article focuses on parallel narratives that feature Ammon<sub>1<\/sub>\u00a0and Ammon<sub>2<\/sub>, with special attention to the allegorical account of Ammon<sub>2<\/sub>\u00a0at the waters of Sebus. To fully comprehend the power of the testimony of Christ that Mormon communicates in his Ammon narratives, readers must glean from textual details an understanding of the social and political context in which the narratives unfold.<\/em>\u00a0(Peter Eubanks, Brant Gardner, Grant Hardy, and two reviewers at\u00a0<em>Interpreter<\/em>\u00a0read and helpfully commented on an a previous draft of this article.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 We know, of course, that the Interpreter Foundation is nearly at death\u2019s door.\u00a0 Most notably, a critic who called himself Bond James Bond pointed this out almost precisely eight years ago, on 25 January 2013.\u00a0 And, just this morning, I learned on the same message board where Mr. Bond made his venerable prophecy [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[74,56,259,11518,1809,918,21181,21184,5691,9182,7048,380,12668,21187,2905,1812,1815,1570,788,55,1667,313,2028,3532,5688,4003,921,6384],"class_list":["post-89998","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-book-of-abraham","tag-book-of-mormon","tag-book-of-mormon-witnesses","tag-canon","tag-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints","tag-david-whitmer","tag-egyptian-alphabet","tag-egyptian-alphabet-and-grammar","tag-eight-witnesses","tag-interpreter-journal-latter-day-saint-faith-scholarship","tag-john-gee","tag-joseph-smith","tag-kirtland","tag-kirtland-egyptian-papers","tag-latter-day-saint","tag-latter-day-saints","tag-lds","tag-martin-harris","tag-mormon","tag-mormonism","tag-mormons","tag-oliver-cowdery","tag-pearl-of-great-price","tag-scripture","tag-three-witnesses","tag-witness","tag-witnesses","tag-witnesses-film"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Joseph Smith, the Kirtland Egyptian Papers, the Book of Abraham, the Beating of Hiram Page, and Several Other Matters<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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