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Turin Cathedral, in Italy \u2014 where, incidentally, the famous Shroud of Turin is kept and where Massimo Introvigne is based
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Many years ago, I helped to host the Italian Catholic attorney and sociologist of religion Massimo Introvigne when he visited Brigham Young University.\u00a0 Here are a couple of interesting little articles that Dr. Introvigne has recently posted:<\/p>\n

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\u201cAre Apostates Reliable? 1. The Problem of Apostasy: Apostates are ex-members of religions or religious movements who become sworn enemies of the faith they have left. They have existed for centuries.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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\u201cAre Apostates Reliable? 2. False Apostates: Some who claim to have been members of a religion or movement, and privy to its secrets, are simply lying.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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\u201cAre Apostates Reliable? 3. Disaffiliation and Captivity Narratives: There is a substantial difference between the scholarly study of disaffiliation and anti-cult tales which resembles old stories of white maidens kidnapped by Native Americans.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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\u201cAre Apostates Reliable? 4. Not All Ex-Members Are Apostates:\u00a0Unfortunately, media often confuse two very different categories, ex-members of religious organizations and apostates. Most ex-members are not apostates.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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Alexander \u201cAlex\u201d Rosenberg is a professor in the Department of Philosophy at Duke University and co-director of the Duke Center for Philosophy of Biology.\u00a0 He is also the author of a 20111 book entitled The Atheist\u2019s Guide to Reality <\/em>(W. W. Norton & Company).\u00a0 I think it\u2019s interesting to get a sense of what he and his fellow believers have to say.\u00a0 Here\u2019s one brief passage:<\/p>\n

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\u201cOur core morality isn\u2019t true, right, correct, and neither is any other. Nature just seduced us into thinking it\u2019s right.\u201d (<\/span>Rosenberg,\u00a0Atheist\u2019s Guide<\/em>, 109.)<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u201c[C]ultivate an Epicurean detachment. This is a disposition recommended by Epicurus, a Greek philosopher of the fourth century BC\u201d who \u201cbelieved that everything was basically atoms moving on determined paths forever. The physical facts, he rightly held, fix all the facts, and that made him an atheist. Epicurus held that there was nothing more to the mind than physical matter and that immortality was out of the question. He equated the morally good with pleasure and evil with pain.\u201d\u00a0 (Rosenberg,\u00a0Atheist\u2019s Guide<\/em>, 313)<\/p>\n

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\u201c[N]o one does wrong freely, so no one should really be punished.\u201d\u00a0 (Rosenberg,\u00a0Atheist\u2019s Guide<\/em>, 299)<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u201cIn a world where physics fixes all the facts, it\u2019s hard to see how there could be room for moral facts.\u201d\u00a0 (Rosenberg,\u00a0Atheist\u2019s Guide<\/em>, 94\u201395.)<\/span><\/p>\n

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Bill Nye, the well-known so-called \u201cscience guy,\u201d puts it pretty straightforwardly, speaking in the first person singular for all of humankind:\u00a0 \u201cI\u2019m a speck on a speck orbiting a speck among other specks amongst still other specks in the middle of specklessness! I am insignificant! I suck.\u201d\u00a0 (Bill Nye, \u201cThe Best Idea We\u2019ve Had So Far,\u201d The Humanist<\/em> [10 December 2010], www.thehumanist.com\/magazine\/november-december-2010\/features\/best-idea-weve-far)<\/p>\n

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And here are some thoughts \u2014 or, anyway, some annotated particle events \u2014 from the theoretical physicist and science writer Brian Greene. \u201c[W]hen our particles . . . act, it seems to us that their collective behaviors emerge from our autonomous choices.\u201d Actually, though, \u201cour thoughts and behaviors\u201d are \u201cfully governed by physical law.\u201d Accordingly, our personal freedom is mere mythology \u2014 purely a \u201cpsychological mirage\u201d<\/p>\n

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I found these passages at https:\/\/www.equip.org\/article\/the-menace-of-modern-materialism\/<\/a>.\u00a0 They suggest some interesting further reading for one of my longterm projects.<\/p>\n

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Militant atheists often deride religious believers as dominated by \u201cmagical thinking.\u201d \u00a0Yet, as a very short article in the March 2015 issue of The \u00a0Atlantic<\/em> reported, many atheists themselves are, very likely, prone to precisely such \u201csuperstition\u201d:<\/p>\n

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http:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/magazine\/archive\/2015\/03\/the-science-of-superstition\/384962\/<\/a><\/p>\n

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And you might enjoy this little item, as well:<\/p>\n

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http:\/\/scienceblogs.com\/gnxp\/2008\/01\/23\/atheists-who-believe-in-astrol\/<\/a><\/p>\n

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But let\u2019s change our focus a bit.<\/p>\n

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Just try visualizing for a moment how vast our solar system<\/em> is.\u00a0 This item is one of the best things I\u2019ve ever seen for getting\u00a0a sense of the sheer vastness of space:<\/p>\n

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http:\/\/joshworth.com\/dev\/pixelspace\/pixelspace_solarsystem.html<\/a><\/p>\n

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And consider this, as well.\u00a0 If it doesn\u2019t leave you feeling at least a little bit humble and awed, you probably need to slow down and reflect a bit:<\/p>\n

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https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=74IsySs3RGU<\/a><\/p>\n

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In fact, let\u2019s think some cheerier thoughts:<\/p>\n

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\u201cScience and religion are two windows that people look through, trying to understand the big universe outside, trying to understand why we are here. The two windows give different views, but both look out at the same universe. Both views are one-sided, neither is complete. Both leave out essential features of the real world. And both are worthy of respect.\u201d<\/strong> \u00a0Freeman Dyson (b. 1923-2020), English-born theoretical physicist and mathematician, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton, New Jersey<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u201cScience takes things apart to see how they work. Religion puts things together to see what they mean.\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0 (Rabbi Lord Jonathan Sacks [1948-2020])<\/span><\/p>\n

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\u201cOur culture is obsessed with youth because we have lost the ancient knowledge that growth never stops. We are not transient, momentary mistakes in\u00a0the cosmos \u2014 evolutionary curiosities that rise like mayflies, swarm for a day, and are gone. We are players who are here to stay, and the universe was built with us in mind. We reflect it, with our deepest loves and loftiest aspirations, just as it reflects us.\u201d<\/strong>\u00a0 (Eben Alexander, MD; author of Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon\u2019s Journey into the Afterlife<\/i> [2012])<\/span><\/p>\n

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I published a Deseret News<\/em> column several years ago entitled \u201cThe Mystery of the Orderliness of the Universe.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n

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It drew considerable mockery from certain atheists. \u00a0One in particular, a dogmatic fellow with scientific pretensions who was based at the time in Florida, from which he\u2019d been periodically spewing contempt for me for about five years by then, pronounced what I wrote \u201cchildish.\u201d \u00a0He reserved his particular scorn, though, for the penultimate sentence of my column, which concludes by expressing the suspicion \u201cthat, in fact, the universe isn\u2019t merely brute, mindless matter, but is suffused throughout with mind or consciousness.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n

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He didn\u2019t make any particular effort to accurately understand what I was getting at, but immediately connected it with what he regarded as \u201cNew Age\u201d nonsense. \u00a0(In fact, the hypothesis that I entertain on this matter is distinct from the idea he was mocking. \u00a0But I doubt that he would care much.) \u00a0It\u2019s the kind of thing, he sneered, that represents \u201cdeep insight\u201d in my shallow little mind. \u00a0My column revealed me to be \u201ccarrying on the proud tradition of the willfully ignorant.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Whatever.<\/p>\n

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I happened, shortly thereafter, to be doing a little background reading on Freeman Dyson, the very prominent Anglo-American mathematical physicist whom I\u2019ve already mentioned above. \u00a0(I recommend his book Disturbing the Universe<\/em>, among other things.) \u00a0And, while doing so, I came across this remark from Professor Dyson:<\/p>\n

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\u201cTo me, to worship God means to recognize that mind and intelligence are woven into the fabric of our universe in a way that altogether surpasses our comprehension.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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Now, that seems rather like what I<\/em> said.<\/p>\n

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Of course, it also sounds rather like what my column had already quoted the Nobel physics laureate Eugene Wigner as saying:<\/p>\n

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\u201cWigner, however, although he had been raised as a secular Jew, eventually developed an interest in the Vedanta philosophical school of Hinduism, and especially in its teaching that the universe is pervaded throughout by mind. \u2018It was not possible,\u2019 he wrote, reflecting on his work in quantum theory, \u2018to formulate the laws in a fully consistent way without reference to consciousness.\u2019\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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I\u2019m small potatoes, obviously. \u00a0But it takes remarkable self-confidence, I think, not merely to disagree with Freeman Dyson and Eugene Wigner but to dismiss both of them (and I could have mentioned Albert Einstein, as well) as \u201cchildish,\u201d shallow, unscientific, and \u201cwillfully ignorant.\u201d\u00a0 To brush what they thought mysterious and significant off as neither significant nor mysterious at all and to ridicule anybody who thinks otherwise\u00a0as just plain silly.<\/p>\n

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Oh well. \u00a0As Jane Austen\u2019s Mr. Bennett says, \u201cFor what do we live, but to make sport for our neighbors, and laugh at them in our turn?\u201d<\/p>\n

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