{"id":93947,"date":"2022-01-19T19:01:31","date_gmt":"2022-01-20T02:01:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=93947"},"modified":"2022-01-19T22:08:01","modified_gmt":"2022-01-20T05:08:01","slug":"vincible-ignorance","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2022\/01\/vincible-ignorance.html","title":{"rendered":"Vincible Ignorance"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_91064\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-91064\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2021\/04\/Golden_plates_and_other_artifacts.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-91064\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2021\/04\/Golden_plates_and_other_artifacts.jpg\" alt=\"Baird artifacts\" width=\"597\" height=\"815\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-91064\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Twenty-first century re-creations of the golden plates, the Liahona, the Urim and Thummim, the sword of Laban, and the breastplate made by David A. Baird, who also created the plates used in the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s \u201cWitnesses\u201d film, which is now available on DVD and via streaming.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In case you haven\u2019t heard, Deseret Book and Excel Entertainment have now established a program for streaming videos called <a href=\"https:\/\/deseretbook.com\/video\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Deseret Video+<\/a> and, if you scroll down on its initial page, you will see that Interpreter\u2019s theatrical film <em>Witnesses<\/em> is one of the program\u2019s premiere offerings.\u00a0 Please take a look.\u00a0 And \u2014 I think Deseret Video+ has had some glitches, but I hope they\u2019re now mostly in the past \u2014 I would love to hear from you how it\u2019s worked.\u00a0 (Preferably no later than Monday noon, Utah time.)\u00a0 I\u2019m especially interested in hearing from people outside the United States.\u00a0 And, although I haven \u2018t yet checked, I\u2019m told that French, Spanish, and Portuguese subtitles are available on the DVD as well as in the streaming version.\u00a0 Can somebody tell me whether these features are really there and, if so, whether and how well they work?\u00a0 I would be much obliged.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In the meantime, the website of the Interpreter Foundation continues to post new articles and recordings of various kinds.\u00a0 Here are four of the latest, for your delectation:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/cfm-study-aids-old-testament-2022-lesson-5\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Come, Follow Me<\/em> \u2014 Old Testament Study and Teaching Helps Lesson 5, January 24-January 30: Moses 7 \u2014\u00a0<em>\u201cThe Lord Called His People Zion\u201d<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Jonn Claybaugh kindly contributed this, the latest in his series of brief \u201cstudy and teaching helps.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/cfm-roundtable-old-testament-2022-lesson-5\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Audio Roundtable: <em>Come, Follow Me<\/em> Old Testament Lesson 5 <em>\u201cThe Lord Called His People Zion\u201d: <\/em>Moses 7<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The Interpreter Radio Roundtable for <em>Come, Follow Me<\/em>\u00a0Old Testament Lesson 5,\u00a0<em>\u201cThe Lord Called His People Zion,\u201d<\/em> on Moses 7, featured Bruce Webster and Kris Frederickson.\u00a0 This roundtable, denuded of commercial and other distractions, was extracted from the 19 December 2021 broadcast of the Interpreter Radio Show.\u00a0 The complete show may be heard at <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreter-radio-show-December-19-2021\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreter-radio-show-December-19-2021\/<\/a>. The Interpreter Radio Show can be heard live on Sunday evenings from 7 to 9 PM (MDT), on K-TALK, AM 1640.\u00a0 That works best in the Salt Lake Valley.\u00a0 If you\u2019re outside of Salt Lake County, you can listen live on the Internet at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ktalkmedia.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">ktalkmedia.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/nibley-lectures-come-follow-me-old-testament-lesson-5-moses-7\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Nibley Lectures: Come, Follow Me Old Testament Lesson 5 \u201cThe Lord Called His People Zion\u201d: Moses 7<\/a><\/p>\n<p>During the Winter Semester of 1986 at Brigham Young University, Dr. Hugh W. Nibley, professor emeritus of ancient scriptures, presented a series of 26 lectures to an Honors class on The Pearl of Great Price. This class was videotaped in the Maeser Building and made available by FARMS as both video and audio recordings. The text was then transcribed and included in\u00a0<em>Ancient Documents and the Pearl of Great Price<\/em>, published by Deseret Book.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreter-radio-show-december-26-2021\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Interpreter Radio Show \u2014 December 26, 2021<\/a><\/p>\n<p>The 26 December 2021 broadcast of the Interpreter Radio Show starred Steve Densley, Matthew Bowen, and the lamentable Dan Peterson. In this episode, Densley, Bowen, and Peterson talked during the first hour of the broadcast about Christmas as well as about updates on the Interpreter Foundation docudrama project <em>Undaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon<\/em>. The second portion of the show was devoted to a roundtable in which the three amigos discussed the upcoming Come Follow Me lesson #6 (Genesis 6-11; Moses 8).\u00a0 Other than the omission of commercial and news breaks, the complete 26 December 2021 conversation is now available to you, easily and at no charge.\u00a0 The Interpreter Radio Show can be heard weekly, on Sunday evenings, from 7 to 9 PM (MDT), on K-TALK, AM 1640. As an alternative, interested parties can listen live on the Internet at <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ktalkmedia.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">ktalkmedia.com<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>In the past couple of days, I happen to have run across declarations (elsewhere) from critics of the Church who express their absolute certitude that there were no physical Book of Mormon plates.\u00a0 Period.\u00a0 End of story.\u00a0 They\u2019re not just saying, I think, that the plates weren\u2019t really ancient or that the plates weren\u2019t really engraved with an ancient Nephite text, nor even that they\u2019re unpersuaded that such plates really existed..\u00a0 They\u2019re saying that the plates were flatly nonexistent, either a lie ginned up by the boundlessly mendacious Joseph Smith or, if they\u2019re feeling more charitable, a figment of his deranged imagination.\u00a0 And that there is no debate on the matter, no contrary position even to be considered.\u00a0 Case closed.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m struck, and mystified, by their certitude.\u00a0 I personally judge the evidence \u2014 chiefly provided by Joseph Smith, the eleven official Book of Mormon witnesses, and the half dozen or so unofficial witnesses (e.g., Emma Smith, William Smith, Katharine Smith Salisbury, Lucy Harris, Josiah Stowell, Mary Musselman Whitmer, and, indirectly, Lucy Mack Smith) \u2014 for the literal, physical existence of some sort of metallic plates in the possession of Joseph Smith in the late 1820s to be extremely strong, indeed nearly if not altogether conclusive.\u00a0 Whatever one thinks of their nature or provenance, their flat existence seems to me difficult to plausibly deny.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And yet these folks deny it, and seem to have no real <em>problem<\/em> denying it.\u00a0 For them, or so they say, the issue is unambiguous.\u00a0 There just weren\u2019t any plates, and (they sometimes add) it\u2019s simply ridiculous to imagine that there <em>were<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ll shift gears just a bit:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>When I was much younger, I had heard the term <em>invincible ignorance<\/em>, and I thought that I understood it.\u00a0 But I didn\u2019t.\u00a0 Invincible ignorance, I imagined, was the kind of determined lack of knowledge that not only <em>doesn\u2019t<\/em> know <em>x<\/em> but doesn\u2019t <em>want<\/em> to know <em>x<\/em>.\u00a0 The kind that utterly <em>refuses<\/em>\u00a0to know <em>x<\/em>.\u00a0 The kind that stubbornly goes on asserting falsehoods about <em>x<\/em> no matter how often and how thoroughly it is corrected.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>These plate-denying folks, I would have thought, are prime examples of invincible ignorance.\u00a0 However, as I said, I was wrong.\u00a0 They\u2019re not.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><em>Invincible ignorance<\/em> is a term developed\u00a0 in Catholic moral theology \u2014 it goes back at least to the great <em>Summa Theologica<\/em> of St. Thomas Aquinas (d. 1274), after whom one of my sons is named \u2014 and it refers to the moral status of persons who, through no personal fault of their own, are ignorant of the fact (as Thomas and subsequent theologians viewed it) that the Christian message is true.\u00a0 A person who fails to know <em>x<\/em> because he or she <em>could<\/em> not and <em>cannot<\/em> know <em>x<\/em> is not <em>culpable<\/em> for being ignorant of <em>x<\/em>.\u00a0 He or she cannot be considered accountable or morally responsible for such ignorance.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>The precise opposite of invincible ignorance in Catholic moral theory is <em>vincible ignorance<\/em>.\u00a0 It refers to people who were or are in a position that renders them capable of knowing <em>x<\/em> by means of reasonable effort, especially where knowledge of <em>x<\/em> is in some sense obligatory, but who freely choose not to do so.\u00a0 People in a state of vincible ignorance may be granted some excuse for it if they made at least some effort to overcome their lack of knowledge but, if they made no serious effort at all to correct their error, it actually renders their culpability for it greater and more serious.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>These are some of my thoughts, contemplating a few folks who claim to know for certain, without any shadow of doubt or any trace of awareness that there is evidence against their position, that absolutely no physical Book of Mormon plates of any kind, whether miraculously provided or not, ever existed.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from St. George, Utah<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 *** \u00a0 In case you haven\u2019t heard, Deseret Book and Excel Entertainment have now established a program for streaming 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