{"id":94254,"date":"2022-02-20T00:04:45","date_gmt":"2022-02-20T07:04:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=94254"},"modified":"2022-02-20T22:49:46","modified_gmt":"2022-02-21T05:49:46","slug":"science-eyewitness-testimony-and-god","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2022\/02\/science-eyewitness-testimony-and-god.html","title":{"rendered":"Science, Eyewitness Testimony, and God"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_88430\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-88430\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/09\/116793599_910521476115476_2548113218795701981_o.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-88430\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2020\/09\/116793599_910521476115476_2548113218795701981_o.jpg\" alt=\"Jordan's image of Zuccola\" width=\"597\" height=\"362\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-88430\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Michael Zuccola as the young David Whitmer in the Interpreter Foundation theatrical film, \u201cWitnesses\u201d and the forthcoming Interpreter docudrama \u201cUndaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon\u201d<br>(Still photograph by James Jordan)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #800000;\"><strong>***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Marking a milestone in the history of the Interpreter Foundation, we published a blog entry today with an invited note from Dr. Matthew Bowen, of Brigham Young University \u2014 Hawaii:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/news-500-weeks-of-interpreter-a-journal-of-latter-day-saint-faith-and-scholarship\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c500 Weeks of <em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship\u201d<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<div class=\"message-wrapper\">\n<div class=\"message\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve still been going through past blog entries, culling out items that I think might be useful for current or future writing projects.\u00a0 Here\u2019s one of them:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">In August 1883, David Whitmer, the last surviving Witness of the Book of Mormon plates, spoke with a prominent member of the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a> by the name of James H. Hart (1825-1906), who was searching, at the time, for portraits of the Three Witnesses for the YMMIA\u2019s publication, <i>The Contributor<\/i>. Hart, who was then the Church\u2019s immigration agent in New York City, traveled to Missouri to secure and later to return a photograph of Oliver Cowdery that was in the possession of Cowdery\u2019s daughter. \u00a0(Cowdery had died at David Whitmer\u2019s home on 3 March 1850.) \u00a0While he was there, Hart took advantage of the opportunity to interview Whitmer. As a former journalist, Hart knew Pitman shorthand and took the interview down verbatim. From his Pitman notes Hart produced two articles (one of which was published in the <i>Deseret News<\/i>) and a narrative\u00a0poem. On a subsequent visit, Hart read the poem to Whitmer, who, he said, approved it.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">The paragraph immediately above is adapted from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.timesandseasons.org\/harchive\/2014\/03\/literary-joseph-fielding-smith-09-james-h-harts-interview-with-david-whitmer\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"s1\">\u201cLiterary Joseph Fielding Smith #09: James H. Hart\u2019s\u00a0<i>Interview with David Whitmer<\/i>,\u201d<\/span><\/a> by Kent Larsen (kindly brought to my attention by Justin Hart; James Henry Hart was his great great grandfather). \u00a0The entire poem may be found in the Larsen article. \u00a0Here, I cite from the conclusion of that article:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">While Hart\u2019s poetry isn\u2019t on par with the best of his day, even among <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormons<\/a>, (it is better than most) still he has moments when his reworking of Whitmer\u2019s words adds some power, if not beauty:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cIf this be not truth, there is no truth,<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">And I have been mistaken from my youth.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">If I\u2019m mistaken, you may know from hence<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">That there\u2019s no God, no law, no life, no sense.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cI know there is a God-I\u2019ve heard his voice,<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">And in his power and truth do still rejoice;<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Though fools may ridicule and laugh to-day,<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">They yet shall know the truth of what I say.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I particularly like these two stanzas, which seem to me like the heart of the poem:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cNo tongue can tell the glory and the power<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">That was revealed to us in that blest hour.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">The plates of brass and gold, with angel\u2019s care,<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Were placed before us as we waited there.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cWe saw the fine engravings on them, too,<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">And heard the voice declare the book was true.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">And what we saw and heard was by the grace<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Of Him who died to save the human race.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">And surely Hart\u2019s description of the gentile doctor (apparently Oliver Cowdery\u2019s son-in-law and Whitmer\u2019s Nephew-in-law, Dr. Charles Johnson) should be better known:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I asked a Gentile doctor, and was told<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">That David Whitmer\u2019s word was good as gold.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cHis honesty is fairly crystallized-<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">His name will ever be immortalized.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cAlthough its all a mystery to me,<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I know he\u2019s honest as a man can be;<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">I\u2019d stake upon his word my very life,<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">And so would this my good and noble wife.\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Here\u2019s another item.\u00a0 It\u2019s something that I hadn\u2019t known about a well-worn anecdote \u2014 an especially popular story among atheists \u2014 that I\u2019ve known for many years:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cBoth Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens quote an exchange between the emperor Napoleon and the brilliant French mathematician Pierre Simon de Laplace. \u00a0Laplace had taken Newton\u2019s work and extended it in a substantial way to the entire solar system, presenting his results in <i>Celestial Mechanics<\/i>, first published in 1799. \u00a0Newtonian physics was thus shown to govern the complicated interactions among the planets. \u00a0Some time later, Laplace made a present of his book to Napoleon. \u00a0The emperor read it and then said to Laplace: \u2018You have written an entire book about the world without mentioning its maker.\u2019 \u00a0Laplace\u2019s response was: \u2018Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis.\u2019<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cUnfortunately, both Dawkins and Hitchens leave out the final punch line of this story: Napoleon later repeated his exchange with Laplace to another great French mathematician, Joseph-Louis Lagrange, who had also done important work in astronomy and mathematics. \u00a0Lagrange\u2019s answer was \u2018<i>Ah! mais c\u2019est une belle hypoth\u00e8se; \u00e7a explique beaucoup de choses\u2019<\/i>\u00a0(\u2018Ah, but it is such a beautiful hypothesis; it explains many things\u2019).\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Amir D. Aczel, <i>Why Science Does Not Disprove God<\/i> (New York: William Morrow\/HarperCollins, 2014), 84-85.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>And this, as well:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cThe prolific eighteenth-century Swiss mathematician Leonhard Euler, one of the greatest mathematicians of all time, was also a deeply religious man. \u00a0He was a member of the Royal Academy of Sciences in Saint Petersburg, Russia, and one day, the famous French atheist Denis Diderot came to visit the academy, apparently on a mission to convert its members to atheism.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cEuler was told about the visitor, and believed that Diderot knew nothing about mathematics. \u00a0So he surprised him in a public debate by demanding, \u2018Sir, <i>a<\/i> plus <i>b<\/i> to the <i>n<\/i>th power divided by <i>n<\/i> equals <i>x<\/i>; therefore, God exists! \u00a0Respond!\u201d \u00a0Diderot, understanding nothing, could not open his mouth. \u00a0Wild laughter erupted in the room; the humiliated Diderot withdrew and, the next day, packed his bags and returned to France.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><strong><span style=\"color: #800000;\">\u201cThis story may well be apocryphal, but what the New Atheists are doing today is tantamount to the same thing. \u00a0Without a shred of evidence on their side, they declare: \u00a0\u2018Science proves there is no God! \u00a0Respond!\u201d \u2014 and a public that may not be steeped in all the nuances and technicalities of science is left flummoxed, and hence vulnerable to the New Atheists\u2019 overconfident pronouncements.\u201d<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\"><span style=\"color: #800000;\">Aczel,\u00a0<i>Why Science Does Not Disprove God<\/i>, 242-243.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 *** \u00a0 Marking a milestone in the history of the Interpreter Foundation, we published a blog entry today with an invited note from Dr. Matthew Bowen, of Brigham Young University \u2014 Hawaii: \u00a0 \u201c500 Weeks of Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship\u201d \u00a0 *** \u00a0 I\u2019ve still been going through [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[28097,56,21037,813,918,6994,28136,28133,28127,2601,316,319,2652,28151,17294,28148,28139,28142,28130,28124,10771,28145,16772,16769,1615,177,5688,4003],"class_list":["post-94254","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-amir-aczel","tag-book-of-mormon","tag-book-of-mormon-plates","tag-christopher-hitchens","tag-david-whitmer","tag-dawkins","tag-denis-diderot","tag-diderot","tag-euler","tag-god","tag-gold-plates","tag-golden-plates","tag-hitchens","tag-james-h-hart","tag-james-hart","tag-james-henry-hart","tag-joseph-louis-lagrange","tag-lagrange","tag-laplace","tag-leonhard-euler","tag-napoleon","tag-no-need-of-that-hypothesis","tag-pierre-laplace","tag-pierre-simon-de-laplace","tag-plates","tag-richard-dawkins","tag-three-witnesses","tag-witness"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Science, Eyewitness Testimony, and God<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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