{"id":95116,"date":"2022-05-17T13:19:29","date_gmt":"2022-05-17T19:19:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=95116"},"modified":"2022-05-17T17:50:39","modified_gmt":"2022-05-17T23:50:39","slug":"just-assert-it-forcefully-enough-and-some-will-think-that-you-know-what-youre-talking-about","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2022\/05\/just-assert-it-forcefully-enough-and-some-will-think-that-you-know-what-youre-talking-about.html","title":{"rendered":"Just assert it forcefully enough, and some will think that you actually know what you&#8217;re talking about"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_77724\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-77724\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/09\/Screen-Shot-2019-09-03-at-8.39.42-PM.png\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-77724\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2019\/09\/Screen-Shot-2019-09-03-at-8.39.42-PM.png\" alt=\"Kandarian or Whitmer reading\" width=\"597\" height=\"472\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-77724\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Actor Paul Kandarian portrays Book of Mormon witness David Whitmer in his later life. (Still photo from the movie set provided by producer Russell Richins.)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Yesterday afternoon, I participated in recording a <a href=\"https:\/\/followhim.co\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cFollow Him\u201d podcast<\/a> on 1 Samuel 8-18 with Hank Smith and John Bytheway.\u00a0 I had a great time (which may perhaps explain the fact that I went on for far too long); they\u2019re extremely interesting chapters, recounting a great but tragic story.\u00a0 The podcast will, I\u2019m told, go public in a week or two.\u00a0 That\u2019s actually earlier than I had expected.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #993300;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A couple of new items have gone up on the website of the Interpreter Foundation:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/two-firesides-on-the-church-in-the-democratic-republic-of-the-congo\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cTwo Firesides on the Church in the Democratic Republic of the Congo\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>They\u2019re both by the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s own remarkable <a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/foundation\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Jeff Bradshaw<\/a>:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Stories of the Saints in the DR Congo: \u201cWhy I Believe\u201d (Live\/virtual fireside, Boise Idaho Mission, 13 February 2022)<\/li>\n<li>The Patience and Faith of the \u201cLost\u201d Saints of Malemba-Nkulu (Virtual fireside hosted by Ross Boundy, 14 May 2022)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/cfm-study-aids-old-testament-2022-lesson-22\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Come, Follow Me<\/em> \u2014 Old Testament Study and Teaching Helps Lesson 22, May 23\u201329: Joshua 1\u20138; 23\u201324 \u2014\u00a0<em>\u201cBe Strong and of a Good Courage\u201d<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n<p>This is yet another concise and helpful set of notes that have been generously provided by Jonn Claybaugh.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #993300;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>A few days ago, I saw a discussion (or, perhaps more accurately, an instance of what often <em>passes<\/em> there for a \u201cdiscussion\u201d) over at an overtly anti-Mormon (and very largely, though not entirely, atheistic) message board.\u00a0 It focused on the golden plates that were purportedly connected with the Book of Mormon.\u00a0 I found it amusing for a number of reasons, but one of the principal reasons for my amusement is that these are people who (I\u2019ve observed them for years) proudly insist on their uniquely powerful commitment to evidence and rationality.\u00a0 (I won\u2019t bother to note, below, where supporting evidence for the discussants\u2019 claims is absent because non-existent.\u00a0 It\u2019s every single time.)\u00a0 Here are some of the highlights of the conversation, such as it was:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>We have only Joseph Smith\u2019s word for the existence of those plates.\u00a0 (See <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesofthebookofmormon.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWitnesses of the Book of Mormon.\u201d<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>If God were really involved, he would have made the plates available to absolutely everybody.\u00a0 (See <a href=\"https:\/\/www.collinsdictionary.com\/us\/dictionary\/english\/dubious-assumption\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cdubious assumption.\u201d<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>Agreeing [!] with the first assertion, above, another rejects the testimony of the Three Witnesses.<\/li>\n<li>Martin Harris was delusional.<\/li>\n<li>Martin Harris had experienced many delusions and cannot be trusted.\u00a0 (See <a href=\"https:\/\/latterdaysaintmag.com\/martin-harris-skeptic-or-gullible-dupe\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cMartin Harris: Skeptic or Gullible Dupe?\u201d<\/a>)<\/li>\n<li>David Whitmer was delusional.<\/li>\n<li>David Whitmer was too proud to admit that he had been fooled.<\/li>\n<li>Oliver Cowdery was in on the conspiracy and was a conscious fraud.<\/li>\n<li>All of the Three Witnesses had strong reasons for making their false claims.<\/li>\n<li>Martin Harris didn\u2019t claim to have seen the plates with his literal, physical eyes.<\/li>\n<li>Scholars can\u2019t examine the plates because there never <em>were<\/em> any plates.<\/li>\n<li>The fact that there were two groups of Witnesses (the Three and the Eight) somehow supports the idea that there were no plates at all.<\/li>\n<li>The overwhelming majority of Earth\u2019s inhabitants have failed to accept the Book of Mormon, and this corroborates the nonexistence of the plates.<\/li>\n<li>The Book of Mormon was written in imitation \u201cBible English.\u201d\u00a0 (On that purported \u201cBible English,\u201d see the work of <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/stanfordc\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Stan Carmack<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/royals\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Royal Skousen<\/a>.)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>What continually surprises me about such assertions is the sheer, baseless confidence with which they\u2019re laid down, not only as if there were conclusive evidence to prove them true \u2014 which, to put it mildly, there is not \u2014 but as if, and I\u2019m again being modest here, there weren\u2019t considerable evidence calling them into serious question.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>To some significant degree, it was to make it more difficult (even, if you will, to make it more publicly embarrassing) to utter such dubious assertions as if they were self-evidently true, as if they required neither supporting evidence nor logical analysis, that we undertook the still-continuing Witnesses film project.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m a realist, though.\u00a0 I know that anti-Mormon claims offer some of the best examples on this side of the veil of the possibility of eternal life:\u00a0 My much-lamented late friend Bill Hamblin and I long dreamed of doing a movie called <em>Bill and Dan\u2019s Excellent Adventure in Anti-Mormon Zombie Hell<\/em>, because, even when you shoot them in the head, squarely between the eyes, such claims often just keep coming at you as if nothing had happened.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Our overall Witnesses project has already created <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesfilm.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the <em>Witnesses<\/em> theatrical film<\/a>, which is now available not only on DVD and Blu-ray but via streaming at Living Scriptures, Deseret Video+, Apple, Google, and Amazon.\u00a0 It is also currently issuing <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesundaunted.com\/#bonus_content\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">short video \u201creels\u201d<\/a> on directly related subjects.\u00a0 Very soon, moreover, it will release its two-part 140-minute docudrama, <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesundaunted.com\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Undaunted: Witnesses of the Book of Mormon<\/em><\/a>, in addition to the still-growing <a href=\"https:\/\/witnessesofthebookofmormon.org\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWitnesses of the Book of Mormon\u201d<\/a> website, to which I\u2019ve already referred above.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Much of this effort, in turn, was inspired by the remarkable work of the late Richard Lloyd Anderson, the pioneering, preeminent scholar of the Book of Mormon Witnesses to whose memory the <em>Witnesses<\/em> dramatic film was dedicated.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Brother Anderson, who earned a law degree from Harvard before receiving a doctorate in ancient history from the University of California at Berkeley, remains one of the finest and most consequential scholars ever produced by the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And his classic book\u00a0<em>Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses <\/em>(Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1981) remains one of the best and most important books ever published on the history of the Restoration.\u00a0 In this book, Professor Anderson subjects the Book of Mormon witnesses to meticulous examination.\u00a0 And they emerge from the process as sane, lucid, honest, reliable men \u2014 a fact of perfectly enormous importance because of the way their testimony directly corroborates central claims of Joseph Smith and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Brother Anderson wrote many other indispensable articles on the Witnesses \u2014 and on other significant topics \u2014 both before and after <em>Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses<\/em> was published. \u00a0These are available online (though perhaps no longer available at the redirected, post-2012 Maxwell Institute website), including but not limited to \u201cAttempts to Redefine the Experience of the Eight Witnesses,\u201d <em>Journal of Book of Mormon Studies<\/em>\u00a014\/1 (2005): 18\u201331; \u201cPersonal Writings of the Book of Mormon Witnesses,\u201d in\u00a0<em>Book of Mormon Authorship Revisited: The Evidence for Ancient Origins<\/em>, ed. Noel B. Reynolds (Provo, UT: FARMS, 1997), 39\u201360; and \u201cThe Credibility of the Book of the Mormon Translators,\u201d in\u00a0<em>Book of Mormon Authorship: New Light on Ancient Origins<\/em>, ed. Noel B. Reynolds and Charles D. Tate (Provo, UT: BYU Religious Studies Center, 1982), 213\u201337. \u00a0But\u00a0<em>Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses<\/em> remains, I think, the best place to start on this vital subject.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 *** \u00a0 Yesterday afternoon, I participated in recording a \u201cFollow Him\u201d podcast on 1 Samuel 8-18 with Hank Smith and John Bytheway.\u00a0 I had a great time (which may perhaps explain the fact that I went on for far too long); they\u2019re extremely interesting chapters, recounting a great but tragic story.\u00a0 The podcast [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-95116","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Just assert it forcefully enough, and some will think that you actually know what you&#039;re talking about<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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