{"id":95148,"date":"2022-05-20T17:16:07","date_gmt":"2022-05-20T23:16:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=95148"},"modified":"2022-06-05T08:34:20","modified_gmt":"2022-06-05T14:34:20","slug":"scientific-thinking-and-religion-compatible","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2022\/05\/scientific-thinking-and-religion-compatible.html","title":{"rendered":"Scientific thinking and religion?  Compatible?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_67482\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-67482\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/11\/1024px-Father_Jaki_June_2007.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-67482\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/11\/1024px-Father_Jaki_June_2007.jpg\" alt=\"Father Jaki, two years before his death\" width=\"597\" height=\"757\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-67482\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Stanley Jaki (J\u00e1ki Szaniszl\u00f3 L\u00e1szl\u00f3), OSB, in 2007<br>(Wikimedia Commons public domain photo<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My blog enjoys the attention and ministrations of a resident devotee of scientistic atheism. \u00a0(I\u2019m not sure exactly what to call him in that regard. \u00a0He\u2019s definitely not a scientist, as he himself will freely admit \u2014 well, <em>not<\/em> freely, actually; the sequences of neurochemical brain processes that result in that \u201cadmission\u201d or emission were set in motion approximately 13.7 billion years ago with the Big Bang, and, even allowing for quantum indeterminacy, were perhaps inevitable even then \u2014 but it seems that the term <em>scientologist<\/em> is already taken. \u00a0So I typically stay with <em>dogmatic ideologue<\/em> as the most appropriate descriptor.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Anyhow, one of the sequences of phonemes that frequently result from the involuntary neurochemical events that occur within his skull typically runs approximately as follows: \u00a0\u201cYour belief in God\u00a0makes a mockery of the methods and accomplishments of the science that built the world you\u2019re living in.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I believe that this emission is an example of what na\u00efve sentimentalists, with their tendency to anthropomorphize random products of biochemical evolution, call \u201cthought.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not a very good one, though.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Along with others, I\u2019ve regularly asked this particular meat-unit \u2014 \u201cmeat-unit\u201d is a term that he has sometimes applied to his fellow humans and, given his worldview, it seems quite appropriate (and rather appropriate to apply to <em>him<\/em> \u2014\u00a0 exactly which element of the scientific method theists are obliged to mock or reject. \u00a0I\u2019ve routinely sought to know precisely which accomplishment of science this particular carbon-based life form imagines that I\u2019m compelled to disdain or to disavow.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>But it never answers.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Because there are plenty of theists who are fully and seriously involved in the sciences \u2014 much more so than this specific cell colony itself is involved. \u00a0And there is, to the best of my knowledge, nobody who comments on my blog who hates, despises, rejects, fears, mocks, or laments science. \u00a0Certainly I don\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>***<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>John was silent for a few minutes.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>Then he began again: \u201cBut how do you know there is no Landlord?\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cChristopher Columbus, Galileo, the earth is round, invention of printing, gunpowder!\u201d exclaimed Mr. Enlightenment in such a loud voice that the pony shied.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cI beg your pardon,\u201d said John.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cEh?\u201d said Mr. Enlightenment.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cI didn\u2019t quite understand,\u201d said John.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cWhy, it\u2019s as plain as a pikestaff,\u201d said the other. \u201cYour people in Puritania believe in the Landlord because they have not had the benefits of a scientific training. For example, I dare say it would be news to you to hear that the earth was round \u2014 round as an orange, my lad!\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cWell, I don\u2019t know that it would,\u201d said John, feeling a little disappointed. \u201cMy father always said it was round.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\"><strong>\u201cNo, no, my dear boy,\u201d said Mr. Enlightenment, \u201cyou must have misunderstood him. It is well known that everyone in Puritania thinks the earth flat. It is not likely that I should be mistaken on such a point. Indeed, it is out of the question.\u201d<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">C. S. Lewis,\u00a0<em>The Pilgrim\u2019s Regress: An Allegorical Apology for Christianity, Reason, and Romanticism<\/em>\u00a0[1933] (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1992), 20-21.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #993300;\">***<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve long had it in my mind to read the works of the eminent Hungarian-American historian and philosopher of science Stanley Jaki (1924-2009), a priest who held doctorates in both physics and theology. \u00a0What little I\u2019ve read from him has been very good. \u00a0So I looked for a bibliography of his writings, and this \u2014 merely a partial list, apparently \u2014 is what I found. \u00a0I am, to put it mildly, just a bit intimidated:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1966) <em>The Relevance of Physics<\/em> (Chicago: University of Chicago Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1969) <em>Brain, Mind and Computers<\/em> (New York: Herder and Herder)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1969) <em>The Paradox of Olbers\u2019 Paradox: A Case History of Scientific Thought<\/em> (New York: Herder and Herder)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1972) <em>The Milky Way: An Elusive Road for Science<\/em> (New York: Science History Publications; Newton\u00a0Abbott, England: David &amp; Charles)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1974) <em>Science and Creation: From Eternal Cycles to an Oscillating Universe<\/em> (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic\u00a0Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1978) <em>Planets and Planetarians: A History of Theories of the Origin of Planetary Systems<\/em> (Edinburgh: Scottish\u00a0Academic Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1978) <em>The Road of Science and the Ways to God: The Gifford Lectures<\/em> 1975 and 1976 (Chicago: University\u00a0of Chicago Press; Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1978) <em>The Origin of Science and the Science of its Origin<\/em> (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1980) <em>Cosmos and Creator<\/em> (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1983) <em>Angels, Apes and Men<\/em> (La Salle, IL: Sherwood Sugden and Company)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1984) <em>Uneasy Genius: The Life and Work of Pierre Duhem<\/em> (Dordrecht: Martinus Nijhoff)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1986) <em>Lord Gifford and His Lectures: A Centenary Retrospec<\/em>t (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1986) <em>Chesterton: A Seer of Science<\/em> (Urbana: University of Illinois Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1986) <em>Chance or Reality and Other Essays<\/em> (Lanham, MD and London: University Press of America; Bryn Mawr: PA: The Intercollegiate Studies Institute.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1988) <em>The Savior of Science<\/em> (Washington, DC: Regnery Gateway)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1988) <em>The Absolute Beneath the Relative and Other Essays<\/em> (Lanham, MD and London: University Press\u00a0of America; Bryn Mawr: PA: The Intercollegiate Studies Institute)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1988) <em>The Physicist As Artist: The Landscapes of Pierre Duhem<\/em> (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1989) <em>God and the Cosmologists<\/em> (Washington, DC: Regnery Gateway; Edinburgh: Scottish Academic\u00a0Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1990) <em>The Purpose of It All<\/em> (Washington, DC: Regnery Gateway; Edinburgh: Scottish Academic\u00a0Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1990) <em>The Only Chaos and Other Essays<\/em> (Lanham, MD and London: University Press of America;\u00a0Bryn Mawr: PA: The Intercollegiate Studies Institute)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1991) <em>Pierre Duhem: Scientist and Catholic<\/em> (Front Royal, VA: Christendom Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1992) <em>Reluctant Heroine: The Life and Work of H\u00e9l\u00e8ne Duhem<\/em> (Edinburgh: Scottish Academic Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1992) <em>Genesis 1 through the Ages<\/em> (London: Thomas More Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1992) <em>Universe and Creed<\/em> (Milwaukee: WI: Marquette University Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1993) <em>Is There a Universe?<\/em> (Liverpool: Liverpool University Press; New York: Wethersfield Institute)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1994) <em>Patterns and Principles and Other Essays<\/em> (Bryn Mawr, PA: The Intercollegiate Studies, Inc.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1996) <em>Bible and Science<\/em> (Front Royal, VA: Christendom Press)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1998) <em>The Virgin Birth and the Birth of Science<\/em> (Fraser, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(1999) <em>Means to Message: A Treatise on Truth<\/em> (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2000) <em>The Limits of a Limitless Science and Other Essays<\/em> (Bryn Mawr, PA: The Intercollegiate Studies Institute)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2000) <em>Christ and Science<\/em> (Royal Oak, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2000) <em>Giordano Bruno: A Martyr of Science?<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2000) <em>Maybe Alone in the Universe, after All<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2000) <em>Advent and Science<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2001) <em>Galileo Lessons<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2001) <em>Jesus, Islam, Science<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2002) <em>A Mind\u2019s Matter: An Intellectual Autobiography<\/em> (Grand Rapids, MI: William B. Eerdmans)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2003) <em>Numbers Decide and Other Essays<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2004) <em>Questions on Science and Religion<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2005) <em>The Drama of Quantities<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2006) <em>A Late Awakening and Other Essays<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">(2008) <em>Impassable Divide<\/em> (Pinckney, MI: Real View Books)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from New York City<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">*<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 *** \u00a0 My blog enjoys the attention and ministrations of a resident devotee of scientistic atheism. \u00a0(I\u2019m not sure exactly what to call him in that regard. \u00a0He\u2019s definitely not a scientist, as he himself will freely admit \u2014 well, not freely, actually; the sequences of neurochemical brain processes that result in that [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1543,870,909,29288,11921,11915,1230,743,243,17780],"class_list":["post-95148","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-c-s-lewis","tag-christianity","tag-faith","tag-jaki","tag-mr-enlightenment","tag-pilgrims-regress","tag-reason","tag-religion","tag-science","tag-stanley-jaki"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Scientific thinking and religion? 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