{"id":97476,"date":"2022-11-17T18:43:50","date_gmt":"2022-11-18T01:43:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=97476"},"modified":"2022-11-22T11:13:35","modified_gmt":"2022-11-22T18:13:35","slug":"whether-youre-just-back-or-still-hoping-to-go","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2022\/11\/whether-youre-just-back-or-still-hoping-to-go.html","title":{"rendered":"Whether you&#8217;re just back or still hoping to go"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_30026\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-30026\" style=\"width: 256px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/01\/256px-Basic_BOM_Manuscripts.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-30026\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/01\/256px-Basic_BOM_Manuscripts.jpg\" alt=\"A page from O\" width=\"256\" height=\"599\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-30026\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A page from the original Book of Mormon manuscript, covering 1 Nephi 4:38-5:14<br>(Wikimedia Commons public domain)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>No recording was made of Royal Skousen\u2019s remarks at Utah Valley University last weekend.\u00a0 But the paper on which his remarks were based is now available online at the Interpreter Foundation website, along with the slides that he used to illustrate his talk.\u00a0 What he had to say was both important and interesting \u2014 enough so that I, practically fresh off the plane from Cairo and feeling not only profoundly jet-lagged but under the weather with some sort of demonstrably non-Covid respiratory bug, never even once felt like dozing off.\u00a0 And now you can read a more formal version of what he said:\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/blog-textual-criticism-and-the-book-of-mormon\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cTextual Criticism and the Book of Mormon\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Interpreter comes through for you, again.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>And here is a 2012 talk from the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s ever-growing video library: \u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/conference-talks-a-torah-harmony\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Conference Talks: \u201cA Torah Harmony,\u201d<\/a> delivered by Andrew Ehat.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_68803\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-68803\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/12\/egypt-and-the-nile-at-night-1200x599.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-68803\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2018\/12\/egypt-and-the-nile-at-night-1200x599.jpg\" alt=\"NASA\/NOAA, Egypt from space\" width=\"596\" height=\"297\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-68803\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A NASA\/NOAA photo of the Nile River and the Nile Delta \u2014 the ORIGINAL \u201cdelta\u201d \u2014 from approximately 512 miles above the surface of the planet. The exceptionally bright glow of Cairo at the southern end of the Delta is plainly visible, as is the long narrow strip along the Mediterranean coast on western side of the Delta that is Alexandria. Moving westward, after the sparsely populated moonscape of the Sinai Peninsula (an upside-down triangle fringed with lights), the very populous nations of Israel and Lebanon and coastal Syria are unmistakable. The Nile Valley and the Delta, taken together, resemble an Egyptian lotus flower and its stem.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>My wife and I returned last Friday afternoon from accompanying tours to Israel and then to Egypt.\u00a0 I regret that I didn\u2019t offer as much of value during the Egyptian tour as I would like to have done, because I was sick throughout it (including laryngitis, or something very like it, which hindered both my ability and my inclination to talk).\u00a0 In partial compensation for my Egyptian failure, I want to remind those who went with us to Egypt that the Interpreter Foundation sponsored a series of lectures on Egypt that are still available online.\u00a0 They were intended to help prepare people who were about to go to Egypt with us for what they would be seeing and experiencing there, but I also think that they will make more sense for those who review them <em>after<\/em> having visited Egypt \u2014 and that they will help to organize and understand all of the massive firehose of information and impressions that were coming at them from early in the morning until nighttime, day in and day out:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/study\/study-travel\/egypt-2021\/lectures\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cThe Ultimate Egypt \u2013 Interpreter Foundation Tour <span class=\"et_pb_fullwidth_header_subhead\">Lecture Series\u201d<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, I\u2019m scheduled to accompany <a href=\"https:\/\/bountifultravel.com\/headliners\/daniel-peterson\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">three tours for Bountiful Travel<\/a> next year:\u00a0 \u201cTurkey: Sacred Sites with the Interpreter Foundation\u201d (beginning 9 October 2023), \u201cExotic Egypt\u201d (beginning 22 October 2023), and \u201cHoly Land\u201d (beginning 29 October 2023).\u00a0 The Turkey tour and the Holy Land or Israel tour are already sold out, although a waiting list is available for at least the latter \u2014 and I would suggest that any who are interested call and get themselves on that waiting list.\u00a0 It\u2019s not uncommon, this far in advance, for people to drop out for whatever reasons.\u00a0 There are, however, evidently still spaces available for the Egypt tour.\u00a0 It\u2019s likely to fill up fairly soon but, in any case, the Interpreter lecture series to which I\u2019ve called attention just above could prove a valuable orientation.\u00a0 And some will probably find the lectures of interest whether they intend to go to Egypt with me in 2023, or with someone else, or later, or never at all.\u00a0 Egypt is, well, just really interesting.\u00a0 In every era.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Latter-day Saints interested in Egypt might also enjoy this article, by Dr. Andrew Skinner:\u00a0\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/www.ldsliving.com\/3-Fascinating-Connections-Between-LDS-Ancient-Egyptian-Temple-Worship-Beliefs\/s\/83415\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201c3 Fascinating Connections Between LDS &amp; Ancient Egyptian Temple Worship &amp; Beliefs\u201d<\/a>\u00a0 And Hugh Nibley is always worth consulting on this subject:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cThe three motifs that confront us wherever we turn in temple and tomb are eternity, family, and cosmos. As to family, the gods themselves do not appear in solitary splendor in the great temples, but always have the rest of the family along, as the individual in his tomb wants to be seen in the intimate and loving company of his wife and children; whether gods, kings, or commoners, they hold hands and embrace in an easy and affectionate manner.\u201d (\u201cThe Greatness of Egypt,\u201d 14)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cAn important feature of Egyptian architecture of temple, tomb, and even palace is a door, sometimes shown as a curtain or lattice, through which a spirit can pass, a means of communication between two worlds; and the literature is full of ceremonial and mythical doors and gates and instructions on how to pass them.\u201d\u00a0 (\u201cThe Greatness of Egypt,\u201d 18)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cThe archives were known in Egypt as the House of Life, housing the writings upon which the life of all things ultimately depended. It was a powerhouse humming with vital electricity, transmitting cosmic forces from heaven to earth, a place of deadly peril to any mortal not holding the necessary priestly credentials. . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cThe House of Life where the books were copied and studied had from the earliest times the aspect of a university, a super graduate school. There it was that all questions relating to learned matters were settled. The place was always part of the temple, and the books contain the earliest\u00a0<i>poetry<\/i>, for<i>\u00a0poiema<\/i>\u00a0means \u201ccreation\u201d and the business of the Muses at the temple was to sing the creation song with morning stars.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cNaturally the hymn was sung to\u00a0<i>music<\/i>, and some scholars would derive the first writing from musical notation. It was performed in a sacred circle or\u00a0<i>chorus<\/i>, so that poetry, music, and the\u00a0<i>dance<\/i>\u00a0go out to the world from the temple, called by the Greeks the Museon, or shrine of the Muses.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cThe creation hymn was part of the great dramatic presentation that took place yearly at the temple, dealing with the fall and redemption of man, represented by various forms of combat, making the place the scene of the ritual\u00a0<i>athletic<\/i>\u00a0contests sanctified throughout the world. The victor in the contest was the father of the race, the priest-king himself, whose triumphant procession, coronation, and marriage took place on the occasion, making this the seat and source of\u00a0<i>government<\/i>\u00a0(the king was always crowned in the temple rather than the palace).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cSince the entire race was expected to be present for the event, a busy exchange of goods from various distant regions took place, the booths of pilgrims serving as the market booths for great fairs, while the necessity of converting various and bizarre forms of wealth into acceptable offerings for the temple led to an active banking and exchange in the temple courts; the earliest \u201cmoney\u201d from the shrine of Juno Moneta at Rome is temple money. Since the place began as an observatory and all things were tied to the calendar and the stars,\u00a0<i>mathematics<\/i>\u00a0flourished and\u00a0<i>astronomy<\/i>\u00a0was a Muse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\"><i>\u201cHistory<\/i>\u00a0was another Muse, for the rites were meant for the dead as well as the living, and memorials to former great ones (believed to be in attendance) encouraged the production of a marvelous art of portraiture, of\u00a0<i>sculpture<\/i>\u00a0and\u00a0<i>painting<\/i>, which would have flourished anyway as architectural adornments, since the design and measurements (the\u00a0<i>middot<\/i>) of the temple structure itself as a sort of scale model of the universe and cosmic computer were all-important; the\u00a0<i>architecture<\/i>\u00a0of the hierocentric structure was of primary concern.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cAnd since from that central point all the earth was measured and all the lands distributed,\u00a0<i>geometry<\/i>\u00a0was essential: \u201cIn the Beginning the One God promised Horus that he should inherit the land of Egypt, which was written in the Books by order of the Lord of All. . . . At the Division of the Lands it was decreed in writing.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000080;\">\u201cThe writings produced and copied in the House of Life were also discussed there, giving rise to\u00a0<i>philosophy<\/i>\u00a0but concerned largely with cosmology and natural science. In short, there is no aspect of our civilization that does not have its rise in the temple, thanks to the power of the written word. In the all-embracing relationships of the Divine Book everything is relevant. Nothing is really dead or forgotten; every detail belongs in the picture, which would be incomplete without it. Lacking such a synthesizing principle, our present-day knowledge becomes ever more fragmented, and our universities and libraries crumble and disintegrate as they expand. Where the temple that gave it birth is missing, civilization itself becomes a hollow shell.\u201d \u00a0(\u201cGenesis of the Written Word,\u201d\u00a0<i>CWHN<\/i>\u00a012:469, 472-73)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 No recording was made of Royal Skousen\u2019s remarks at Utah Valley University last weekend.\u00a0 But the paper on which his remarks were based is now available online at the Interpreter Foundation website, along with the slides that he used to illustrate his talk.\u00a0 What he had to say was both important and interesting [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[951,3739,6102,19412,3856,2046,7641,641],"class_list":["post-97476","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-egypt","tag-egyptian","tag-hugh-nibley","tag-hugh-w-nibley","tag-nibley","tag-royal-skousen","tag-skousen","tag-temple"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Whether you&#039;re just back or still hoping to go<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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