{"id":97755,"date":"2022-12-03T13:48:15","date_gmt":"2022-12-03T20:48:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=97755"},"modified":"2022-12-04T00:56:23","modified_gmt":"2022-12-04T07:56:23","slug":"prophecy-being-fulfilled-and-not-happily","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2022\/12\/prophecy-being-fulfilled-and-not-happily.html","title":{"rendered":"Prophecy being fulfilled, and not happily"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_38648\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-38648\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/12\/800px-Oakland_Mormon_Temple_at_Christmas.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-38648\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/12\/800px-Oakland_Mormon_Temple_at_Christmas.jpg\" alt=\"Oakland Temple Christmas lights\" width=\"597\" height=\"336\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-38648\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Oakland California Temple at Christmas<br>(Wikimedia Commons public domain image)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s some potentially interesting reading for you:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/publicsquaremag.org\/sexuality-family\/the-dangers-of-redefining-chastity\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cThe Dangers of Redefining Chastity:\u00a0Even the best of motives do not allow us to change the commandments or remove the crosses of others.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.arisefromthedust.com\/a-key-book-to-understand-nahom-and-bountiful-is-now-free-online-warren-astons-lehi-and-sariah-in-arabia\/\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201cA Key Book to Understand Nahom and Bountiful is Now Free Online: Warren Aston\u2019s <i>Lehi and Sariah in Arabia\u201d<\/i><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/fronterasdesk.org\/content\/1829089\/catholic-mormon-why-latinos-are-joining-church-jesus-christ-latter-day-saints\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cFrom Catholic to Mormon: Why Latinos are joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_37164\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-37164\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/10\/oakland-california-temple-night-1021131-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-37164\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2016\/10\/oakland-california-temple-night-1021131-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"The Oakland California Temple\" width=\"597\" height=\"373\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-37164\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">California\u2019s second temple sits in the hills overlooking downtown Oakland and the San Francisco Bay<br>(Photo from LDS.org)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s something that, I think, merits very serious consideration:\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sltrib.com\/religion\/2022\/12\/02\/jana-riess-why-americans\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>\u201cSalt Lake Tribune<\/em>:\u00a0 \u201cJana Riess:\u00a0 Why Americans, including Latter-day Saints, are leaving their churches:\u00a0 If even the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>LDS church<\/a> is starting to bleed members, \u201cthat shows what a big issue this is for everyone else\u201d<\/a>\u00a0 In her article, Jana Riess reports on what may be an important new book, Stephen Bullivant\u2019s <em>Nonverts: The Making of Ex-Christian America<\/em>, which is due out any day now from Oxford University Press.\u00a0 A British sociologist, Bullivant is himself a counterexample to the trend that he is discussing, having been raised in a nonreligious family and having come to Catholicism as an adult convert.\u00a0 In any event, here is the passage from Riess\u2019s article that caught my particular attention:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">A second factor is the sudden appearance of the internet, which made it possible for like-minded people to meet one another. \u201cIf you were brought up in small-town Kansas, you probably weren\u2019t going to find other people who were having religious doubts. The internet opened up those spaces for people to play around with ideas, hang out with other people, and get really deep into various subcultures.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">The internet has been particularly important for people leaving conservative religions such as evangelical Protestantism or Mormonism. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is actually the first main example Bullivant uses in the book, which is surprising because it\u2019s such a tiny percentage of the population, around 1.5%.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">Bullivant chose it because it\u2019s a \u201ccanary in the coal mine\u201d story \u2014 if even the Latter-day Saints are starting to bleed members, \u201cthat shows what a big issue this is for everyone else.\u201d The erosion of Latter-day Saint attachment, he said, indicates \u201cthe breakdown of religious subcultures,\u201d which has been especially profound in places such as Utah and southern Idaho where, in decades past, a person\u2019s entire social and religious life could be spent around Latter-day Saints.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">The internet chips away at that enclave. \u201cThis was important for many of the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormons<\/a> I interviewed, who were encountering new things about <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormon history<\/a> online. But even more than this, they\u2019re starting to hang out with non-Mormons and ex-Mormons, people who are very much in your boat, and that becomes this other world you can inhabit.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I myself have noticed for years the way internet connections become <em>ersatz<\/em> \u201ccommunities,\u201d with people who seldom if ever physically meet each other becoming online \u201cfriends,\u201d sometimes to the point of marginalizing or even eliminating more \u201creal\u201d relationships.\u00a0 The trend has concerned me, and far and away not only for religious reasons.\u00a0 But it certainly does have religious implications.\u00a0 And I don\u2019t think that we in communities of faith \u2014 certainly in the Latter-day Saint community \u2014 have yet learned how to deal at all adequately with the acids of social media.\u00a0 (I\u2019m very much thinking, right now, about what the Interpreter Foundation\u2019s role ideally should be in this regard, and what we will need to have and to do in order to play that role.)<\/p>\n<p>On a slightly different note:\u00a0 Since I was a an early adolescent, at least, I\u2019ve been aware of biblical passages such as Matthew 24:24 (\u201cFor there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect\u201d) and of prophecies such as this rather grim one, attributed by the late Elder J. Golden Kimball (who was never <em>merely<\/em> a comic character) to his father, President Heber C. Kimball:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">After a while the gentiles will gather in Salt Lake City by the thousands, and this will be among the wicked cities of the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">A spirit of speculation and extravagance will take possession of the Saints, and the results will be financial bondage.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">An army of elders will be sent to the four quarters of the earth, to search out the righteous and, warn the wicked of coming events.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">All kinds of religions will be started, and miracles performed that will deceive the very elect, if such a thing were possible.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">Persecution comes next, and all Latter-day Saints will be tested to the limit. \u201cMany will apostatize, and others will stand still, not knowing what to do. . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">The judgements of God will be poured out upon the wicked, to the extent that our elders from far and near will be called home; or in other words, the Gospel will be taken from the gentiles, and later on will be carried to the Jews. . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">[T]he Saints will be put to the test that will try the very best of them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">The pressure will become so great that the righteous among us will cry unto the Lord day and night until deliverance comes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">Yes, we think we are secure here in the chambers of these everlasting hills, where we can close the doors of the canyons against mobs and persecutors, the wicked and the vile, who have always beset us with violence and robbery, but I want to say to you, my brethren, that the time is coming when we will be mixed up in these now peaceful valleys to that extent that it will be difficult to tell the face of a Saint from the face of an enemy against the people of God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">Then is the time to look out for the great sieve, for there will be a great shifting time, and many will fall.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">For I say unto you there is a test, a Test, a TEST coming.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">This Church has before it many close places through which it will have to pass before the work of God is crowned with glory.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">The difficulties will be of such a character that the man or woman who does not possess a personal knowledge or witness will fall. If you have not got this testimony, you mist live right and call upon the Lord, and cease not until you obtain it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #993300;\">Remember these sayings: The time will come when no man or woman will be able to endure on borrowed light. Each will have to be guided by the light within themselves. If you do not have the knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, how can you stand?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><span style=\"color: #993300;\">J. Golden Kimball, <em>Conference Report<\/em> (October 1930), 58-59<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"elegantwp-entry-meta-single\"><\/div>\n<div>Plainly, the sunny expectation that the Church will simply continue to grow \u2014 steadily and without major obstacle or even setback \u2014 was never actually justified. (See, for instance, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.churchofjesuschrist.org\/study\/scriptures\/bofm\/1-ne\/14?lang=eng\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">1 Nephi 14:12<\/a>.). For a long time, I thought the fulfillment of Heber C. Kimball\u2019s prophecy far off, something to worry about very near to the Apocalypse itself.\u00a0 I wondered how it would happen.\u00a0 I no longer do.\u00a0 I think that we\u2019re seeing that it is happening <em>now<\/em>, not merely at some far future day.<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<div>\n<figure id=\"attachment_20331\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-20331\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/05\/oakland-california-808x480-0001569s.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-20331\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2015\/05\/oakland-california-808x480-0001569s.jpg\" alt=\"California's second temple\" width=\"596\" height=\"354\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-20331\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Oakland California Temple (LDS Media Library).\u00a0 It has always been one of my very favorite temples.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<div><\/div>\n<p>And, last but certainly not least, here are yet more horrifying tales from the <em>Christopher Hitchens Memorial \u201cHow Religion Poisons Everything\u201d File<\/em>\u00a9:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/church-food-donation-gives-cheyenne-river-reservation-families-holiday-boost\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cChurch Food Donation Gives Cheyenne River Reservation Families a Holiday Boost:\u00a0Hundreds of families in South Dakota receive pantry staples and Thanksgiving food items\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/news-africa.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/church-donates-74-000-fruit-tree-seedlings-in-dodoma-region-of-tanzania--november-2022\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cChurch Donates 74,000 Fruit Tree Seedlings in Dodoma Region of Tanzania, November 2022\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org\/article\/young-service-missionaries-work-at-the-lindon-bishops-storehouse\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cYoung Service Missionaries Work at the Lindon Bishops\u2019 Storehouse: \u2018We\u2019re the hands and voice of the Lord, even as service missionaries \u2026 we are serving as the Lord would\u2019\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Incidentally, I spoke last Tuesday to a small devotional meeting of young service missionaries who are working at the LDS Motion Picture Studio (MPS) in Provo.\u00a0 At the request of those who invited me, I gave a presentation on the witnesses, official and unofficial, of the Book of Mormon.\u00a0 I can\u2019t speak for the audience, but I, at least, had a good time.\u00a0 And I\u2019m grateful to Tom Pittman, who helped me with the tech.\u00a0 Among other things, I was given a more complete tour of the MPS than I have ever had before, and I learned some interesting things about both the coming Tabernacle Choir Christmas program and the forthcoming portion of the Church\u2019s Book of Mormon film project.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Posted from Redwood City, California<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 Here\u2019s some potentially interesting reading for you: \u201cThe Dangers of Redefining Chastity:\u00a0Even the best of motives do not allow us to change the commandments or remove the crosses of others.\u201d \u201cA Key Book to Understand Nahom and Bountiful is Now Free Online: Warren Aston\u2019s Lehi and Sariah in Arabia\u201d \u201cFrom Catholic to Mormon: [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-97755","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Prophecy being fulfilled, and not happily<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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