{"id":97920,"date":"2022-12-16T14:05:54","date_gmt":"2022-12-16T21:05:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/?p=97920"},"modified":"2022-12-21T12:41:36","modified_gmt":"2022-12-21T19:41:36","slug":"reflections-on-the-importance-of-scientific-and-theological-humility","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/danpeterson\/2022\/12\/reflections-on-the-importance-of-scientific-and-theological-humility.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Reflections on the Importance of Scientific and Theological Humility&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_38984\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-38984\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2017\/01\/pioneer-day-concert-567480-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-38984\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2017\/01\/pioneer-day-concert-567480-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"In the Conference Center with MoTab and Orchestra\" width=\"596\" height=\"397\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-38984\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Tabernacle Choir and the Orchestra at Temple Square, seated at the base of the Conference Center organ in Salt Lake City, Utah\u00a0 (LDS.org)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>Last night, my wife and I attended the first evening of the annual three-night <em>Christmas with the Tabernacle<\/em> Choir program in the magnificent and magnificently decorated Conference Center in Salt Lake City.\u00a0 We thoroughly enjoyed it.\u00a0 The special guests this year are <a href=\"https:\/\/leasalonga.com\/bio\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Lea Salonga<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thetabernaclechoir.org\/about\/guest-artists\/david-suchet.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Sir David Suchet<\/a>, and they were very good.\u00a0 Every year, the program includes narration of the Nativity story, as recounted in the second chapter of the Gospel of Luke; Sir David did it better, I think, than anybody else I\u2019ve heard heard, in the Tabernacle Choir programs or beyond.\u00a0 He made it fresh, as if he were telling the story for the very first time.\u00a0 At two points in the program, I teared up.\u00a0 This is maybe not so very surprising because, as I descend ever deeper into doddering and sentimental old age, I tear up much more easily than I once did.\u00a0 But it\u2019s still fairly rare.\u00a0 Anyway, one of those moments was when the Choir and the Orchestra at Temple Square performed back to back renditions of two of my very favorite pieces of music:\u00a0 \u201cLo, How a Rose E\u2019er Blooming\u201d (<em>Es ist ein Ros\u2019 entsprungen<\/em>) and Pachelbel\u2019s Canon in D (arranged as a choral piece entitled \u201cHosanna in excelsis\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>My emotional response has historical roots, as well as aesthetic ones:\u00a0 I mentioned here the other day how clearly I recall the first time that I heard <em>Es ist ein Ros\u2019 entsprungen<\/em>.\u00a0 The same is true for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=7tEdSG18xWQ\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pachelbel\u2019s Canon in D<\/a>.\u00a0 It was performed at a Switzerland Z\u00fcrich Mission reunion many, many years ago, by a string quartet that, I remember, included <a href=\"https:\/\/music.byu.edu\/directory\/kory-katseanes\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Kory Katseanes<\/a> (who had been one of the zone leaders over me when I was in Interlaken) and a fellow-student from Switzerland named Jolanda Przewrocka.\u00a0 I was entranced.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>After the concert was over, we drove to the Salt Lake Airport.\u00a0 There, we met our son and his three-year-old daughter, who have come to visit with us from Bogot\u00e1, Colombia.\u00a0 Owing to distance and calendars and workloads and, most of all, to COVID-19 and very severe lockdowns in Latin America, this was our first time to see our granddaughter in real life, and not merely via FaceTime.\u00a0 Altogether, a very, very good evening.\u00a0 One to be long remembered and cherished.<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_40995\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-40995\" style=\"width: 596px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2017\/04\/general-conference-april-2011-826795-gallery.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-40995\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2017\/04\/general-conference-april-2011-826795-gallery.jpg\" alt=\"Inside the Conference Center at Conference Time\" width=\"596\" height=\"397\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-40995\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">A session of a semi-annual General Conference of the <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints<\/a> in the Conference Center in Salt Lake City. (LDS Media Library)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>These two pieces went up on the website of the Interpreter Foundation today.\u00a0 I hope that you\u2019ll enjoy them:<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #02029e;\"><a style=\"color: #02029e;\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/we-live-in-the-olden-days-reflections-on-the-importance-of-scientific-and-theological-humility\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWe Live in the Olden Days: Reflections on the Importance of Scientific and Theological Humility,\u201d<\/a> written by <a style=\"color: #02029e;\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/stevenc\/?journal\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Steven L. Clark<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #02029e;\"><em><strong>Abstract:<\/strong>\u00a0Members\u00a0of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have a unique perspective on truth. Our knowledge that Salvation likely involves participation in complex eternal activities requiring significantly more understanding than we currently possess naturally leads us to seek truth and, in addition, to seek an understanding of that truth. Under these circumstances, our inability to fully understand many truths, both revealed and discovered, can lead to confusion. A lack of complete understanding of accepted scientific truth generally leads the serious truth-seeker to enhanced investigative and educational efforts without doubting the ultimate veracity of the concept under investigation; we all believe in gravity, but no one completely understands it. In a\u00a0similar manner, the fact that an individual is bothered by such an incompletely understood truth is rarely seen as reason to reject it; gravity bothers me a\u00a0lot \u2014 were it not for gravity, I\u00a0could fly. Unfortunately, an inability to fully understand some revealed truths all too often leads to rejection of that truth rather than an acceptance of one\u2019s conceptual limitations and an enhanced effort at understanding the concept in question. Such an approach can be as disastrous (although often not as immediately disastrous) as disregard of the reality of gravity. Consideration of examples of both scientific and spiritual experience may lead to a\u00a0more rational reaction to truths that we do not, and sometimes at our present level of understanding, simply cannot, completely comprehend.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #02029e;\"><a style=\"color: #02029e;\" href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-old-fashioned-humility\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cInterpreting\u00a0<em>Interpreter<\/em>: Old-Fashioned Humility,\u201d<\/a> written by <a style=\"color: #02029e;\" href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/author\/kylerr\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Kyler Rasmussen<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #02029e;\">This post is a summary of the article \u201c<a style=\"color: #02029e;\" href=\"https:\/\/journal.interpreterfoundation.org\/we-live-in-the-olden-days-reflections-on-the-importance-of-scientific-and-theological-humility\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">\u201cWe Live in the Olden Days: Reflections on the Importance of Scientific and Theological Humility<\/a>\u201d by Steven L. Clark in Volume 54 of\u00a0<em>Interpreter: A Journal of Latter-day Saint Faith and Scholarship<\/em>. An introduction to the Interpreting\u00a0<em>Interpreter<\/em> series is available at <a style=\"color: #02029e;\" href=\"https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\" class=\" decorated-link\">https:\/\/interpreterfoundation.org\/interpreting-interpreter-on-abstracting-thought\/<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #02029e;\"><strong>The Takeaway:<\/strong> Clark reminds us that smart people in the past have confidently held beliefs that we now know to be mistaken, a fact which should lead us to treat the confidently held beliefs of the present with patience and humility\u2014including those that appear at odds with church doctrine. The inability to fully understand gospel truths should encourage further investigation of those truths (via both spiritual and scientific means) rather than prompt their immediate rejection and should caution us against making claims that are absent of both empirical and spiritual support.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_97923\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-97923\" style=\"width: 597px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2022\/12\/640px-Salt_Lake_Temple_Square_at_Christmas.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-97923\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/186\/2022\/12\/640px-Salt_Lake_Temple_Square_at_Christmas.jpg\" alt=\"Wikimedia CC Temple Square\" width=\"597\" height=\"417\"><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-97923\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Since the Salt Lake Temple is undergoing major renovations and Temple Square is being significantly reconfigured, the area is a major construction zone at the moment, and will be so for at least the next two years. This is how it looked during the Christmas of 2008. The Conference Center is the low building that is partially visible on the lefthand side of this Wikimedia Commons public domain photograph. It\u2019s much larger than it looks here.\u00a0 The Tabernacle, of course, is the domed structure in the foreground, and the Temple (where, incidentally, my wife and I were married) is brightly illuminated in the background.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>This is an interesting Jewish take on the editing of the Bible \u2014 on the selection of some items and the omission of others.\u00a0 I think, anyway, that some Latter-day Saint readers will enjoy it:\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/momentmag.com\/bible-edit-hanukkah\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWho Edited Hanukkah Out of the Bible?\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>And I\u2019m sympathetic to this suggestion.\u00a0 I myself have led several slightly Christianized Passover seders, and I like the symbolism of Hanukkah:\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.christianitytoday.com\/partners\/jewish-voice-ministries-international\/jesus-celebrated-hanukkah-so-why-dont-we.html?utm_source=CT+Weekly+Newsletter&amp;utm_medium=Newsletter&amp;utm_term=350340&amp;utm_content=11754&amp;utm_campaign=email\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cJesus Celebrated Hanukkah, So Why Don\u2019t We?\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00a0 \u00a0 Last night, my wife and I attended the first evening of the annual three-night Christmas with the Tabernacle Choir program in the magnificent and magnificently decorated Conference Center in Salt Lake City.\u00a0 We thoroughly enjoyed it.\u00a0 The special guests this year are Lea Salonga and Sir David Suchet, and they were very good.\u00a0 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1019,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[25568,32736,32748,32739,2517,1809,32760,32715,32721,20011,909,32724,20431,32718,975,32754,32751,24374,2905,1812,1815,7113,32712,11675,7072,32727,788,55,1667,32730,32709,32757,32733,1230,743,6171,243,32745,32742,15609,816,782],"class_list":["post-97920","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-agatha-christie","tag-baylor","tag-baylor-college-of-medicine","tag-baylor-university","tag-christmas","tag-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints","tag-conference-center","tag-david-suchet","tag-eponine","tag-es-ist-ein-ros-entsprungen","tag-faith","tag-fantine","tag-hanukkah","tag-hercule-poirot","tag-interpreter","tag-katseanes","tag-kory-katseanes","tag-kyler-rasmussen","tag-latter-day-saint","tag-latter-day-saints","tag-lds","tag-lds-church","tag-lea-salonga","tag-les-miserables","tag-lo-how-a-rose-eer-blooming","tag-miss-saigon","tag-mormon","tag-mormonism","tag-mormons","tag-mulan","tag-orchestra-at-temple-square","tag-pachelbel","tag-princess-jasmine","tag-reason","tag-religion","tag-salt-lake-city","tag-science","tag-steven-clark","tag-steven-l-clark","tag-tabernacle-choir","tag-theology","tag-utah"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>&quot;Reflections on the Importance of Scientific and Theological Humility&quot;<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&nbsp; 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