2025-05-01T12:55:46-04:00

Schleiermacher
Friedrich Daniel Ernst Schleiermacher (1768-1834), the “Father of Modern Liberal Theology” [public domain / Wikimedia Commons]
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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I. General
II. Deconversions
III. Pope Francis: Liberal?
IV. Christological Heresy 
V. Trashing or Questioning the Bible / Theologically Liberal or Skeptical Exegesis / Torah / Documentary Hypothesis
VI. Sexual Issues
VII. Implications for Ecclesiology?
VIII. Modernist Skeptical Historiography 
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I. General

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Have Heterodox Catholics Overthrown Official Doctrine? (vs. Eric Svendsen, James White, Phillip Johnson, & Andrew Webb) [6-3-96]
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Dialogue with a Skeptic of Christianity (vs. Charlie Kluepfel) [5-2-99]
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Conscience Must be Formed in Harmony with the Church (Proof from Scripture & the Catechism of the Catholic Church) [7-19-09] 
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Can a Pope be a Heretic or Authoritatively Declare Heresy? [2-3-17]

Modernism vs. History in Genesis & Biblical Inspiration [7-23-18]

Hallmarks of Catholic Theological Liberalism  (The “Dirty Dozen”) [1999; rev. 7-31-18]

St. Paul: Orthodox Catholic or Theological Pluralist? [12-28-18]

It Ain’t About Kumbaya, But About Mindless Naivete [3-21-19]

Is VCII’s Nostra Aetate “Religiously Pluralistic” & Indifferentist? [6-7-19]

C. S. Lewis: Criticism of Theological & Political Liberalism [10-22-19]

Am I Too Soft on Modernists & Too Hard on Reactionaries? [11-6-19]

Apostolic Succession: Reply to Certain Misconceptions [7-1-20]

Do the OT & NT Teach Polytheism or Henotheism? [7-1-20]

Did the Blessed Virgin Mary Think Jesus Was Nuts? [7-2-20]

Dialogue on Biblical Views Re Following Jesus & Riches (vs. Dr. Steven DiMattei) [11-21-20]

Dialogue w Christian “Outside of Orthodoxy” [12-21-20]

Criterion of Catholic Orthodoxy: Degree of “Pearcianism” [6-22-21]

Catholicism, Protestantism, and Theological Liberalism [Facebook, 7-28-22]

“The Catholic Monitor” Butchers My View of Papal Infallibility (. . . and Has the Impudent Audacity to Attack St. John Henry Cardinal Newman as a Modernist and Nominalist) [9-14-22]

Development of Doctrine vs. Evolution of Dogma [Ch. 5 of my book, Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries (December 2002; slightly revised in November 2023 for the purpose of the free online version). [11-17-23]

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II. Deconversions

Audrey Assad’s Journey: Apology & Retraction [10-1-21]

Audrey Assad Has Graciously Accepted my Retraction and Apology, with Class, While Proud Mary et al Still Savage My Name and Character [Facebook, 10-4-21]

Why Do I (or How DARE I?!) Critique Deconversions? [10-5-21]

Pharisees on Mark Shea’s Page Trash My Apology to Audrey Assad, While She Herself Graciously Accepted It [Facebook, 10-5-21]

Two of the Most Ridiculous Things Ever Said About Me, Concerning Why People Leave the Faith, & Whether I Have Ever Had a Crisis of Faith (and Their Refutations) [Facebook, 10-7-21]

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III. Pope Francis: Liberal?

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Dialogue: “Bad” Bishops & “Confusing” Francis (vs. Dr. Peter Kwasniewski) [4-28-16]

Quasi-Defectibility and Phil Lawler vs. Pope Francis (see also more documentation of Lawler’s reactionary leanings, on the Facebook thread) [12-28-17]

Dialogues with Karl Keating & Phil Lawler on Pope Francis [12-29-17]

Dialogues with Karl Keating Regarding Pope Francis [12-29-17]

Lawler vs. Pope Francis #1: Critique of Introduction [1-1-18]

Lawler vs. Pope Francis #2: Homosexuality & “Judging” [1-2-18]

Lawler vs. Pope Francis #3: The Pope Annihilated Hell? [1-2-18]

Lawler vs. Pope Francis #4: Communion / Buenos Aires Letter [1-3-18]

Lawler vs. Pope Francis #5: Jerusalem Council vs. “Ideology” [1-3-18]

Pope Francis Defended: Resources for Confused or Troubled Folks [collection]

“Gay Unions”: Leftist & Reactionary Catholics vs. Pope & CDF [3-23-21]

Pope Francis vs. Same-Sex “Marriage”: The Record [3-25-21]

Pope Francis’ “Endorsement” of Fr. James Martin, SJ (Does it Entail a Denial of Church Teaching on Gravely Disordered Homosexual Sex?) [6-30-21]

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V. Trashing or Questioning the Bible / Theologically Liberal or Skeptical Exegesis / Torah / Documentary Hypothesis
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Silent Night: A “Progressive” and “Enlightened” Reinterpretation [12-10-04; additionally edited for publication at National Catholic Register: 12-21-17]
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Defending the Historical Adam of Genesis (vs. Eric S. Giunta) [9-25-11]
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Adam & Eve of Genesis: Historical & the Primal Human Pair? (vs. Bishop Robert Barron) [11-28-13]
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New Testament Proofs of Noah’s Historical Existence (Seton Magazine article, 22 April 2014)
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“Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?” (Dr. Dennis Bonnette, Crisis Magazine, 11-24-14)
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VII. Implications for Ecclesiology?
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2025-05-04T19:25:32-04:00

Strasbourg Cathedral
Strasbourg Cathedral (Alsace, France). At 466 feet, it was the world’s tallest building from 1647 to 1874. It remains the highest extant structure built entirely in the Middle Ages. Photo by David Iliff (2-8-14) [Wikimedia CommonsCC-BY-SA 3.0 license]
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This testimony of the universal holy Christian Church, even if we had nothing else, would be a sufficient warrant for holding this article [on the sacrament] and refusing to suffer or listen to a sectary, for it is dangerous and fearful to hear or believe anything against the unanimous testimony, belief, and teaching of the universal holy Christian churches, unanimously held in all the world from the beginning until now over fifteen hundred years.
 
(Martin Luther, in the year 1532; from Protestant Luther biographer Roland H. Bainton, Studies on the Reformation [Boston: Beacon Press, 1963], p. 26; primary source: WA [Werke, Weimar edition in German], XXX, 552)
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
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I. GENERAL ECCLESIOLOGY 
II. THE INDEFECTIBILITY OF THE CHURCH
III. APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION
IV. CLERGY AND ORDINATION / HOLY ORDERS / BISHOPS
V. WOMEN’S ORDINATION / CATHOLIC VIEW OF WOMEN
VI. ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY / HIERARCHICAL AND EPISCOPAL ECCLESIOLOGY
VII. RULE OF FAITH (BIBLE + CHURCH + TRADITION)
VIII. CONSCIENCE AND PRIVATE JUDGMENT / DISSENT
IX. ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY: THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL
X. ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY: THE FIRST VATICAN COUNCIL
XI. ECCLESIAL INFALLIBILITY AND INFALLIBLE ECUMENICAL COUNCILS 
XII. HERETICAL CONCILIARISM
XIII. THE JERUSALEM COUNCIL (ACTS 15)
XIV. REASONS WHY PEOPLE LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
XV. THE “INFALLIBILITY REGRESS” (PROTESTANT POLEMICAL ARGUMENT)
XVI. THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT
XVII. CLERICAL CELIBACY
XVIII. TITLE OF CATHOLIC
XIX. GENERAL AND MISCELLANEOUS
XX. ST. TERESA OF CALCUTTA (MOTHER TERESA)
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I. GENERAL ECCLESIOLOGY 
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Are Catholics Christians? (vs. James White) [May 1995]
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Is the One True Church a Visible or Invisible Entity? [National Catholic Register, 9-12-18]
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The Authority of the Catholic Church (+ Pt. 2): chapter two of my 2009 book, Bible Truths for Catholic Truths: A Source Book for Apologists and Inquirers [10-16-23]
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“Could the Catholic Church Go Off the Rails?” (Indefectibility) [1997]

Anti-Catholic Orthodox Claims of Exclusive Apostolic Succession [Nov. 1998; revised in 2004]

Indefectibility: Does God Protect His Church from Doctrinal Error? [11-1-05; abridged and reformulated a bit on 2-14-17]

“The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail” Against the Church [11-11-08]

Indefectibility of the One True Church (vs. Calvin #9) [5-16-09]

Indefectibility & Apostolic Succession (vs. Calvin #10) [5-18-09]

Sunny Optimism Regarding God’s Guidance of His Church Now and Always (Including Liturgical Discussion) [7-22-11]

Dialogue with a Lutheran on Ecclesiology & Old Testament Indefectibility Analogies [11-22-11]

St. Francis de Sales: Bible vs. Total Depravity (+ Biblical Evidence for the Indefectibility of the Church, from the Psalms)  [11-24-11]

The Bible on the Indefectibility of the Church [2013]

Michael Voris’ Ultra-Pessimistic Views Regarding the Church [7-3-13]

Critique of Three Michael Voris Statements Regarding the State of the Church [7-3-13]

Indefectibility, Fear, & the Synod on the Family [9-30-15]

Quasi-Defectibility and Phil Lawler vs. Pope Francis (see also more documentation of Lawler’s reactionary leanings, on the Facebook thread) [12-28-17]

Salesian Apologetics #1: Indefectibility of the Church [2-4-20]

Reply to a Despairing Catholic Seminarian (Indefectibility) [6-26-21]

The Indefectibility of the Church [Ch. 3 of my book, Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries (December 2002; revised in December 2023 for the free online version) ]
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Apostolic Succession as Seen in the Jerusalem Council [National Catholic Register, 1-15-17]
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Answers to Questions About Apostolic Succession [National Catholic Register, 7-25-20]
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A New Biblical Argument for Apostolic Succession [National Catholic Register, 4-23-21]
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Dave Armstrong Responds to Gavin Ortlund on Jerome & the Monepiscopacy [30-minute audio presentation Suan Sonna’s YouTube channel, Intellectual Catholicism, on 2-4-24]
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Bishops in the Apostolic Church [1-16-01; rev. 5-7-03]
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Bishops: NT, Early Church, & Baptists (vs. James White) [1-16-01] 
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Dialogue: “Bad” Bishops & “Confusing” Francis (vs. Dr. Peter Kwasniewski) [4-28-16]
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The Biblical Basis for the Priesthood [National Catholic Register, 11-2-18]
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Offices in the Early Church [Facebook, 10-16-23]
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YouTube VIDEO: Biblical Proof you should call Catholic Priests “Father” (Kenny Burchard, utilizing my research, 9-15-24)
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Dialogue with a Traditionalist Regarding Deaconesses (vs. Dr. Peter Kwasniewski) [5-13-16]
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VI. ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY / HIERARCHICAL AND EPISCOPAL ECCLESIOLOGY

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Anathemas of Trent & Excommunication: An Explanation [5-20-03, incorporating portions from 1996 and 1998; abridged on 7-30-18]
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Catholics Accept All of the Church’s Dogmatic Teaching [National Catholic Register, 9-18-18]
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Orthodoxy: The ‘Equilibrium’ That Sets Us Free [National Catholic Register, 3-29-19]
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Does Sola Scriptura Create Chaos? (vs. Steve Hays) [5-15-20]
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VII. RULE OF FAITH (BIBLE + CHURCH + TRADITION)

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Papal Infallibility Doctrine: History (Including Luther’s Dissent at the Leipzig Disputation in 1519) (Related also to the particular circumstances of the origins of sola Scriptura) [10-8-07]
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Orthodoxy: The ‘Equilibrium’ That Sets Us Free [National Catholic Register, 3-29-19]
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1 Timothy 3:15 = Church Infallibility (vs. Steve Hays) [5-14-20]
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Does Sola Scriptura Create Chaos? (vs. Steve Hays) [5-15-20]
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VIII. CONSCIENCE AND PRIVATE JUDGMENT / DISSENT
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Conscience Must be Formed in Harmony with the Church (Proof from Scripture & the Catechism of the Catholic Church) [7-19-09] 
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Irish Ecclesiastical Record vs. Anti-Catholic George Salmon, Pt. 5: Private Judgment, the Rule of Faith, and Dr. Salmon’s Weak Fallible Protestant “Church”: Subject to the Whims of Individuals; Church Fathers Misquoted [3-15-23]
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Irish Ecclesiastical Record vs. Anti-Catholic George Salmon, Pt. 6: The Innumerable Perils of Perspicuity of Scripture and Private Judgment [3-16-23]
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IX. ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY: THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL
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Dialogue on Vatican II: Its Relative Worth, Interpretation, and Application (with Patti Sheffield vs. Traditionalist David Palm) [9-15-13]
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Series: Vs. Paolo Pasqualucci Re Vatican II
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Vatican II Upheld Biblical Inerrancy (vs. David Palm) [4-23-20]
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Bp. Schneider Evokes Luther’s Disdain for Councils [7-17-20]

Is Vatican II Analogous to “Failed” Lateran Council V? (Reply to Timothy Flanders) [8-11-20]

Viganò’s Outrageous Lie Re Pope Benedict XVI & Tradition (Unwillingness to Make Even Rudimentary Efforts to Consult Context or to Understand a Pope’s Overall Thinking) [8-21-20]

Vatican II: Documentation of Bishops’ Voting on its Documents (Ranked in Order from Most Dissenting Votes to Least Dissenting Votes) [9-17-21]

Defense of Vatican II vs. Oliveira Leonardo’s Attacks [10-13-22]

Is Vatican II a “Modernist” Council? [Ch. 11 of my book, Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries (December 2002; revised in November 2023 for the purpose of the free online version)] [11-22-23]
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Are the Vatican II Documents “Ambiguous”? [Ch. 12 of my book, Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries (December 2002; revised in November 2023 for the purpose of the free online version)] [11-24-23]
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A Response to Archbishop Viganò’s Letter about Vatican II (Fr. Thomas G. Weinandy, OFM., Cap., The Catholic World Report, 8-13-20)

Vatican II and “weaponized ambiguity” (Dr. Pedro Gabriel, Where Peter Is, 10-1-20)

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X. ECCLESIASTICAL AUTHORITY: THE FIRST VATICAN COUNCIL
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XI. ECCLESIAL INFALLIBILITY AND INFALLIBLE ECUMENICAL COUNCILS 
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Pope Silvester and the Council of Nicaea (vs. James White) [August 1997]

Conciliar Infallibility: Summary from Church Documents [6-5-98] 

Infallibility, Councils, and Levels of Church Authority: Explanation of the Subtleties of Church Teaching and Debate with Several Radical Catholic Reactionaries [7-30-99; terminology updated, and a few minor changes made on 7-31-18] 

Eastern Orthodoxy, Councils, & Doctrinal Development [2000]

The Analogy of an Infallible Bible to an Infallible Church [11-6-05; rev. 7-25-15; published at National Catholic Register: 6-16-17]

Cdl. Newman, Vatican I & II, & Papal Infallibility (Clarification) [12-10-05]

The Bible on Papal & Church Infallibility [5-16-06]

Galileo Affair: No Disproof of Catholic Infallibility (vs. Ken Temple) [5-18-06]

Council of Nicea: Reply to James White: Its Relationship to Pope Sylvester, Athanasius’ Views, & the Unique Preeminence of Catholic Authority [4-2-07]

Protestant Historian Philip Schaff: The Church Fathers Believed in Conciliar Infallibility Based on the Jerusalem Council (Acts 15) [Facebook, 10-8-07]

Infallibility: Dialogue with a Traditional Anglican [10-6-08] 

Papal Participation in the First Seven Ecumenical Councils [4-22-09]

Popes & Early Ecumenical Councils (vs. Calvin #16) [6-15-09]

Authority and Infallibility of Councils (vs. Calvin #26) [8-25-09]

Catholic Development of Doctrine: A Defense (vs. Jason Engwer; Emphasis on the Canon of the Bible & Church Infallibility) (+ Pt. II / Pt. III / Pt. IV) [1-15-10]

Dialogue with an Atheist on the Galileo Fiasco and its Relation to Catholic Infallibility (vs. Jon Curry) [8-11-10]

Books by Dave Armstrong: Biblical Proofs for an Infallible Church and Papacy [2012]

“Reply to Calvin” #2: Infallible Church Authority [3-3-17]

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1 Timothy 3:15 = Church Infallibility (vs. Steve Hays) [5-14-20]
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Ecumenical Councils: Catholic vs. Lutheran Perspective (vs. Pastor Ken Howes [LCMS]) [6-16-20]
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Irish Ecclesiastical Record vs. Anti-Catholic George Salmon, Pt. 2 . . . In Which Dr. Salmon Accuses Cardinal Newman of Lying Through His Teeth in His Essay on Development, & Dr. Murphy Magnificently Defends Infallibility and Doctrinal Development Against Gross Caricature [3-12-23]
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Irish Ecclesiastical Record vs. Anti-Catholic George Salmon, Pt. 5: Private Judgment, the Rule of Faith, and Dr. Salmon’s Weak Fallible Protestant “Church”: Subject to the Whims of Individuals; Church Fathers Misquoted [3-15-23]
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XII. HERETICAL CONCILIARISM
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Which Has More Authority: A Pope or an Ecumenical Council? [National Catholic Register, 5-19-21]
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XIII. THE JERUSALEM COUNCIL (ACTS 15)
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Apostolic Succession as Seen in the Jerusalem Council [National Catholic Register, 1-15-17]
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Were the Jerusalem Council Decrees Universally Binding? [National Catholic Register, 12-4-19]
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Which Has More Authority: A Pope or an Ecumenical Council? [National Catholic Register, 5-19-21]
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XIV. REASONS WHY PEOPLE LEAVE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
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Leaving Catholicism (Not Primarily Due to Sex Scandals!) (reply to Michael Boyle & Melinda Selmys) [10-5-18]
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Why Do I Continue to Blog at Patheos Catholic: Which Also Hosts Many Heterodox and Leftist Writers? (+ discussion of Mindy Selmys’ departure) [Facebook, 3-16-19]
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Are Abuse Scandals a Reason to Leave the Church? [National Catholic Register, 3-31-19]
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XV. THE “INFALLIBILITY REGRESS” (PROTESTANT POLEMICAL ARGUMENT)
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XVI. THE CHARISMATIC MOVEMENT
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Catholic Charismatic Movement Defended [1998; abridged on 8-2-18] 
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The People of the Bible Were ‘People of Praise’ [National Catholic Register, 10-15-20]
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XVII. CLERICAL CELIBACY

Clerical Celibacy & the Principle of Asceticism in Catholicism (Louis Bouyer) [1997; Facebook]

Mandatory Celibacy of Priests & Religious (Dialogue) [1997-1998]

Why Peter’s Marriage Doesn’t Disprove Catholicism: A Dialogue [January 1999]

Clerical Celibacy: Hostile Protestant Commentary & Catholic Replies [2-21-04]

Martin Luther & Antipathy Towards Clerical Celibacy [2-21-04]

Dialogue w a Baptist on Required Clerical Celibacy [7-2-06] 

Objections to Clerical Celibacy: In-Depth Dialogue [7-12-06]

Unbiblical Rejection of Priestly Celibacy (vs. Calvin #31) [9-15-09]

Clerical Celibacy: Dialogue with John Calvin [9-17-09]

Mandatory Celibacy of Catholic Priests in the Western / Latin Rite: A New (?) Argument [11-16-12]

Further Reflections on Mandatory Priestly Celibacy [8-2-14]

The Fruitfulness of the Eunuch Devoted to God (Isaiah 56) (Paul Seberras) [Facebook, 2-7-17]

Consecrated Virginity & Catholic “Both / And” [9-13-17]

Priestly Celibacy: Ancient, Biblical and Pauline [National Catholic Register, 9-18-17]

Priestly Celibacy: Garden-Variety Objections Debunked [9-18-17]

Married Bishops (1 Tim 3) & Catholic Celibacy: Contradiction? [9-18-17; expanded on 6-20-18]

Q & A with a Critic of Priestly Celibacy [National Catholic Register, 2-4-19]

Thoughts on Fr. Jonathan Morris’ Laicization Request [5-21-19]

Madison vs. Jesus #5: Cultlike Forsaking of Family? [8-5-19]

Pope Francis: Strong Defender of Priestly Celibacy [1-14-20]

Priestly Celibacy as a Discipline: Steve Skojec’s Ignorance [3-20-20]

St. Peter’s Marriage and Priestly Celibacy [National Catholic Register, 4-9-20]

Dialogue: Are More Married Catholic Priests Desirable? [1-13-22]

On Whether Required Celibacy is “Biblical” (vs. Lucas Banzoli) [9-24-22]

Objection to Mandatory Priestly Celibacy Based on Married Bishops (1 Timothy 3:1-7 and Titus 1:6-9) [Facebook, 9-24-22] 

Clergy Celibacy: Back-and-Forth with Lucas Banzoli [11-16-22]

Priestly Celibacy: Explicit and Undeniable Biblical Proof [Catholic365, 11-6-23]

Peter’s Wife, James Swan, Celibacy, & Catholicism (The Perfectly Sensible and Explicit Biblical Rationale for Priestly Celibacy) [3-15-24]

Celibate Clergy: Reply to a Methodist Polemic [5-20-24]

Is Celibacy “Superior” to Marriage in Some Sense? [7-24-24]

Consecrated Celibacy (vs. Lutheran von Hase) [3-28-25]

Priestly Celibacy: A Short Exchange [Facebook, 5-4-25]

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XVIII. TITLE OF CATHOLIC

Catholic or Roman Catholic? (Proper Titles) (w J. Akin) [1996] 

Catholic Christian Implies a Non-Catholic Ecclesiology? [3-23-06] 

Objections to the Reactionary Epithet Neo-Catholic [3-9-07] 

In What Century Did the Title, “Catholic Church” Begin? [7-22-07]

On the Use of Traditionalist Preceding the Name of Catholic [7-3-13]

On the Use of the Titles Catholic & Roman Catholic [10-20-17]

Jame’s White: Hypocritical Use of “Roman Catholic Church” [11-11-19]

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XIX. GENERAL AND MISCELLANEOUS

Is Catholicism Half-Pagan? [1999; revised in one section on 2-22-06]

Is Catholicism Half-Pagan, & a Blend of Gospel & Lies? [2007]

Biblical Evidence for Expensive Church Buildings [3-18-08]

Why Is the Catholic Church Singularly Despised & Hated? [7-7-08]

“Why are Catholics So Legalistic and Rationalistic?” (Response to Orthodox and Protestant Criticisms) [9-8-08]

Biblical Evidence Against Tithing [2-4-09]

Biblical Evidence for Holy Days [9-21-09]

Mandatory Tithing: Further Thoughts [11-1-09]

“Leaven” of the Pharisees: Hypocrisy or False Doctrine? (vs. Nathan Rinne) [11-3-11]

Reply to Robin Phillips’ “Why I’m Not a Catholic” [1-31-12]

Dialogue on the Renaissance: Good or Bad Thing? [3-20-13]

Discussion of the Met Gala, in Which Catholicism was Mocked in Some of the Costumes [Facebook, 5-8-18]

Take Heart: Notre Dame Will be Rebuilt: Better Than Ever! [4-16-19]

“Who is My Mother?”: Beginning of “Familial Church” [8-26-19]

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XX. ST. TERESA OF CALCUTTA (MOTHER TERESA)

Mother Teresa on Love & Theology [9-5-16]

Malcolm Muggeridge & Mother Teresa: A Blessed, Fruitful Meeting [9-6-16]

The Holy Collaboration of Mother Teresa and Malcom Muggeridge [National Catholic Register, 6-20-18]

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Practical Matters:  I run the most comprehensive “one-stop” Catholic apologetics site: rated #1 for Christian sites by leading AI tool, ChatGPT — endorsed by popular Protestant blogger Adrian Warnock. Perhaps some of my 5,000+ free online articles or fifty-six books have helped you (by God’s grace) to decide to become Catholic or to return to the Church, or better understand some doctrines and why we believe them. If you believe my full-time apostolate is worth supporting, please seriously consider a much-needed monthly or one-time financial contribution. “The laborer is worthy of his wages” (1 Tim 5:18, NKJV).
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PayPal donations are the easiest: just send to my email address: [email protected]. Here’s also a second page to get to PayPal. You’ll see the term “Catholic Used Book Service”, which is my old side-business. To learn about the different methods of contributing (including Zelle and 100% tax-deductible donations if desired), see my page: About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong / Donation Information.
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You can support my work a great deal in non-financial ways, if you prefer; by subscribing to, commenting on, liking, and sharing videos from my two YouTube channels, Catholic Bible Highlights and Lux Veritatis (featuring documentaries), where I partner with Kenny Burchard (see my own videos), and/or by signing up to receive notice for new articles on this blog. Just type your email address on the sidebar to the right (scroll down quite a bit), where you see, “Sign Me Up!” Thanks a million!
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Basic minimal (equilateral triangular) version of the “Shield of the Trinity” or “Scutum Fidei” diagram of traditional Christian symbolism [public domain / Wikimedia Commons]

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I. CHRISTOLOGY / DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST

II. EVENTS IN JESUS’ LIFE / JESUS’ TEACHING

III. DIALOGUES WITH JEWISH APOLOGIST MICHAEL J. ALTER ON JESUS’ RESURRECTION AND ALLEGED NT “CONTRADICTIONS”

IV. JESUS AND MARY

V. YOUNG MESSIAH FILM (2016) / KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS

VI. TRINITARIANISM / THE HOLY TRINITY / THE HOLY SPIRIT

VII. THEOLOGY PROPER (THEOLOGY OF GOD) / GOD’S ATTRIBUTES AND NATURE 

VIII. GOD AS JUDGE

IX. THEISTIC ARGUMENTS

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50 Biblical Proofs That Jesus is God [National Catholic Register, 2-12-17]
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Can the Prayers of Jesus Go Unanswered? [National Catholic Register, 6-10-19]
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The Bible is Clear — Jesus is True God and True Man [National Catholic Register, 9-12-20]
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9 Ways Jesus Tells Us He is God in the Synoptic Gospels [National Catholic Register, 10-28-20]
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The Resurrection: Hoax or History? [cartoon tract with art by Dan Grajek: 1985]
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The Passion of the Christ: Review and Reflections [2-29-04; abridged and edited on 4-10-17]
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Silent Night: A “Progressive” and “Enlightened” Reinterpretation [12-10-04; additionally edited for publication at National Catholic Register: 12-21-17]
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Was Christ Actually Born Dec. 25? [National Catholic Register, 12-18-18]
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The Bethlehem Nativity, Babe Ruth, and History [National Catholic Register, 1-1-19]
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Are the Two Genealogies of Christ Contradictory? [National Catholic Register, 1-5-19]
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What Does “Turn the Other Cheek” Mean? [National Catholic Register, 7-20-19]
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Did Jesus Teach His Disciples to Hate Their Families? [National Catholic Register, 8-17-19]
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Why Jesus Opposed the Moneychangers in the Temple [National Catholic Register, 9-26-19]
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Jesus’ Agony in Gethsemane: Was it “Anxiety”? [National Catholic Register, 10-29-19]
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On Whether Jesus’ “Brothers” Were “Unbelievers” [National Catholic Register, 6-11-20]
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Star of Bethlehem, Astronomy, Wise Men, & Josephus (Amazing Astronomically Verified Data in Relation to the Journey of the Wise Men  & Jesus’ Birth & Infancy) [12-14-20]
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Conjunctions, the Star of Bethlehem and Astronomy [National Catholic Register, 12-21-20]
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A Fresh Look at Joseph, Mary and Bethlehem [National Catholic Register, 3-25-22]
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What We Know About Nazareth at the Time of Jesus [National Catholic Register, 11-24-23]
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50 OT Messianic Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus [initial research from 1982; slightly revised in 1997; revised and reformatted for RSV edition in 2012; separated from the larger article on 11-26-24]
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Filioque: Catholic-Orthodox Dialogue (William Klimon) [July 1997]
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Dialogue w Mormon Apologist: God & Doctrinal Development (vs. Dr. Barry Bickmore) (+ Part Two) [12-22-01]
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Is God in Time? (vs. John W. Loftus) [11-30-06]
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Is God the Author of Evil? (vs. John Calvin) [Oct. 2012]
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Thoughts on the Level of Our “Comprehension” of God (St. John Chrysostom) (dialogue with Deacon Steven D. Greydanus) [Facebook, 9-14-17]
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Seidensticker Folly #20: An Evolving God in the OT? (God’s Omnipotence, Omniscience, & Omnipresence in Early Bible Books & Ancient Jewish Understanding) [9-18-18]
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Does God Ever Actively Prevent Repentance? [National Catholic Register, 9-1-19]
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Who Caused Job to Suffer — God or Satan? [National Catholic Register, 6-28-20]
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The Bible Teaches That Other “Gods” are Imaginary [National Catholic Register, 7-10-20]
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Does God Have Any Need of Praise? [National Catholic Register, 9-24-20]
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God in Heaven & in His Temple: Contradiction? (vs. Dr. Steven DiMattei) [11-23-20]
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God in Heaven and in His Temple: Biblical Difficulty? [National Catholic Register, 12-10-20]
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Bible on God’s Revealed Nature & Character (Ch. 6 of the book, Inspired!: 191 Supposed Biblical Contradictions Resolved: which examines examples of alleged biblical contradictions & disproves all of these patently false claims) [12-5-23]
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Seidensticker Folly #13: God Hasta Prove He Exists! [8-29-18]

Dialogue: Has God Demonstrated His Existence (Romans 1)? [9-1-18]

Seidensticker Folly #14: Something Rather Than Nothing [9-3-18]

Seidensticker Folly #38: Eternal Universe vs. an Eternal God [4-16-20]

Seidensticker Folly #41: Argument from Design [8-25-20]

Seidensticker Folly #42: Creation “Ex Nihilo” [8-28-20]

Creation Ex Nihilo is in the Bible [National Catholic Register, 10-1-20]

“Quantum Entanglement” & the “Upholding” Power of God [10-20-20]

Quantum Mechanics and the “Upholding” Power of God [National Catholic Register, 11-24-20]

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PayPal donations are the easiest: just send to my email address: [email protected]. Here’s also a second page to get to PayPal. You’ll see the term “Catholic Used Book Service”, which is my old side-business. To learn about the different methods of contributing (including Zelle and 100% tax-deductible donations if desired), see my page: About Catholic Apologist Dave Armstrong / Donation Information.
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You can support my work a great deal in non-financial ways, if you prefer; by subscribing to, commenting on, liking, and sharing videos from my two YouTube channels, Catholic Bible Highlights and Lux Veritatis (featuring documentaries), where I partner with Kenny Burchard (see my own videos), and/or by signing up to receive notice for new articles on this blog. Just type your email address on the sidebar to the right (scroll down quite a bit), where you see, “Sign Me Up!” Thanks a million!
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 I was received into the Catholic Church (and Judy returned to it), on 8 February 1991, by the eminent catechist and author, Servant of God  Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. [photo credit: Tom McGlynn: 8 February 1991]

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I. BRIEF RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND INFORMATION 

II. FORMAL AND INFORMAL EDUCATION / EMPLOYMENT 

III. CATHOLIC ORGANIZATIONAL AFFILIATIONS 

IV. PUBLISHED WRITINGS (Articles / Cartoon Tracts / Books)

V. RADIO AND WEBCAST INTERVIEWS AND TALKS 

VI. REFERENCES AND RECOMMENDATIONS

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DAVE ARMSTRONG

CATHOLIC APOLOGIST, EVANGELIST, AND AUTHOR


I. BRIEF RELIGIOUS BACKGROUND INFORMATION
 

Born 30 July 1958 in Detroit, Michigan. Raised Methodist; converted to non-denominational evangelicalism in 1977. During the 1980s, informally studied Christian apologetics and basic theology extensively, and was active in evangelistic, counter-cult and pro-life work, writing many “tracts” on these subjects. Church-supported missionary to college students from May 1985 until October 1989. Received into the Catholic Church on 8 February 1991 by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., after a year of intense study and discussion. Married to Judy Kozora (6 October 1984) with four children: three sons and a daughter.

[see also my Wikipedia page]


II. FORMAL AND INFORMAL EDUCATION / EMPLOYMENT 

Bachelor of Arts, Sociology (cum laude) from Wayne State University, Detroit, 1982; a broad liberal arts education, including much philosophy and history, and a minor in psychology. Multiple thousands of hours studying theology, Church history, philosophy, and general Christian and Catholic apologetics since 1981 (no formal training in theology). I have about 2000 books in my own library (mostly these same subjects).
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In November 2007, I joined the staff of the Coming Home Network as Facilitator of Online Apologetics / Forum Coordinator / “Network Apologist”. This position lasted until the end of December 2010, when it was eliminated due to downsizing at CHNI necessitated by the bad economy and slumping donations (it had nothing to do with my performance).
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III. CATHOLIC ORGANIZATIONAL AFFILIATIONS 

Catholic Answers  [link] (the largest Catholic apologetics organization, with employees such as Jimmy Akin, Trent Horn, and Tim Staples). I’ve been published in Catholic Answers Magazine (formerly, This Rock), several times; have been on Catholic Answers Live twice,  and CA published my books, 100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura (May 2012) and The Word Set in Stone: How Archaeology, Science, and History Back Up the Bible (March 2023).

St. Paul Street Evangelization [link], is a rapidly growing Catholic evangelism and apologetics group. I was a member of the Advisory Board for SPSE and edited sixteen of their self-produced tracts: on the topics of returning to the Catholic Church, common objections, God’s existence, the Trinity, Divinity of Christ, salvation, the papacy, intercession of the saints, the problem of evil, Marian doctrines, last things, sexual purity, contraception, homosexuality, abortion, and the Rosary.

The Coming Home Network International [link], an organization founded by Marcus Grodi (host of the EWTN program The Journey Home); designed to aid and assist Catholic converts, or potential converts (especially Protestant pastors). I have had several articles published in its periodical, The Coming Home Journal, and was a staff member as a forum moderator for three years, from 2007-2010.
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Seton Magazine [link]: the premier Internet Catholic homeschooling magazine. I contributed weekly apologetics columns, from March 2014 to August 2015 (41 articles). They have a very nice author profile for me on the site.  See the list of my articles.
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The Michigan Catholic: this was the official publication of the archdiocese of Detroit (since discontinued).  I was commissioned to write apologetics articles twice a month (for each issue), from May 2014 until August 2018 (109 total articles). My columns were featured in the center of each issue. They are now collected on the website Detroit Catholic.

National Catholic Register [link to my author page]: I began writing regularly for this very well-known magazine and site, produced at EWTN, in September 2016. See the collection of my more than 343 articles (Armstrong’s Handbook of Apologetics: A Cyber-Book).
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Sophia Institute Press [link]: a major and influential Catholic publisher, specializing in the classics. Sophia has published six of my books.

Catholic Bible Highlights with Kenny Burchard, a YouTube channel [link]. Starting in September 2024, I entered into a partnership with Kenny Burchard, a former Protestant pastor who works with the Coming Home Network, in which I provide most of the biblical research and appear with him in videos, informally chatting on various topics [see a listing of my videos], featuring lots of Bible passages. I also reply to comments underneath the videos. We publish books, too, similar to the videos (see the first on purgatory).

Lux Veritatis, a second YouTube channel [link] with my partner Kenny Burchard, begun in May 2025, is our platform for delving into a much wider and broader range of apologetics topics in the areas of history, science, biblical archaeology, philosophy, etc. The videos are in a documentary format, with a narrator [see a listing of my videos]. And I interact quite a bit with the comments underneath, too.

IV. PUBLISHED WRITINGS

Articles and Miscellaneous

 “The Real Martin Luther,” The Catholic Answer, Jan/Feb 1993, 32-37.

“A Church Shopper’s Road to Catholicism,” This Rock, September 1993, 14-16.

“Is Development of Doctrine a Corruption of Biblical Teaching?,” The Catholic Answer, Sep/Oct 1995, 8-11. 

“Converts to Catholicism: G. K. Chesterton,” The Coming Home Newsletter, Sep/Oct 1996, 5-7. 

“The Megabyte Before Christmas” (poem), The Coming Home Newsletter, Nov/Dec 1996, 12.

“The Pre-Eminence of St. Peter: 50 New Testament Proofs,” The Catholic Answer, Jan/Feb 1997, 32-35.

“Converts to Catholicism: Monsignor Ronald Knox,” The Coming Home Newsletter, Jan/Feb 1997, 9.

“Converts to Catholicism: Malcolm Muggeridge,” The Coming Home Newsletter, March/April 1997, 6-7.

“How Newman Convinced Me of the Apostolicity of the Catholic Church,” lead conversion (and cover) story (with family photograph), The Coming Home Newsletter, September-December 1997, 1-8.

 “To Orthodox Critics of Catholic Apostolicity: Unity Still Sought,” The Catholic Answer, Nov/Dec 1997, 32-35, 38-39, 62.


“Martin Luther’s Devotion to Mary,” The Coming Home Journal, January-March 1998, 12-13.

“The Imitation of Mary,” The Catholic Answer, May/June 1998, 8-11.

My website was positively reviewed by David Morrison in New Covenant magazine, August, 1998:


An empowered, faithful, educated and technically astute laity is a wonderful phenomenon and Dave Armstrong, a free lance writer and Catholic apologist, is just such a character. His Biblical Evidence for Catholicism pages provide both a good in-depth resource for those seeking to better understand the Catholic Church and a witness to the joy of a life lived in the Truth. The site is designed well for the user, easy to navigate and explore and has a good mix of the dry and the funny. How can a guy go wrong when, at the top of his page, pictures appear of John Henry Cardinal Newman, the rose window from Notre Dame, Paris, and G.K Chesterton with his beloved wife Francine? 


“Transubstantiation and the Eucharist,” The Coming Home Journal, July-December 1998, 12-13, 31.

“St. Augustine’s Belief in the Real Presence,” The Coming Home Journal, July-December 1998, 18-20.

“The Communion of Saints,” The Catholic Answer, Nov/Dec 1998, 8-12.

I received the Award Website of the Year (for 1998) from the staff and advisors of Envoy Magazine, and was a finalist (with three others) for “Best New Evangelist” (Envoy, January/February 1999, 10).


“Newman Persuaded Me of the Apostolicity of the Catholic Church,” The Latin Mass, Fall 1999, Vol. 8, No. 4, 65-71.

“The Perspicuity (‘Clearness’) of Scripture,” The Coming Home Journal, July-December 1999, 16-18.

“Is This God?,” cover story on the Holy Eucharist, Envoy Magazine, January/February 2000, cover and 1, 34-40. 

“Interview With a Catholic Apologist” (interview with Peter Vere, JCL), November 2001; posted on the Onerock Online website, and in the January 2002 edition of The Write Stuff, the monthly e-zine of The Catholic Writer’s Association (CWA).

Dave Armstrong: Catholic Apologetics’ “Socratic Evangelist,” interview with, and article by Tim Drake, for the regular feature “Diplomatic Corps,” Envoy Magazine, Spring 2002, volume 5.6, 8-9.

Top Ten Questions Catholics Are Asked — pamphlet published by Our Sunday Visitor for mass distribution in churches, July 2002. [+ Spanish version] [read online pdf]

“Catholics Need to Read Their Bibles,” This Rock, February 2004, 20-22.

“On Sinners in the Church: How Could it be Otherwise?,” This Rock, April 2004, 25-27.

Review of A Biblical Defense of Catholicism, by Michael J. Miller, in Homiletic & Pastoral Review, May 2004.

“A Quick Ten-Step Refutation of Sola Scriptura,” This Rock, September 2004. [alt URL]

“The Pleasures and Perils of a Catholic Apologetics Apostolate,” This Rock, November 2004.

“Excerpt from: The New Catholic Answer Bible (NAB) with inserts by Paul Thigpen and Dave Armstrong: Why the Catholic Church is Unique,” Our Sunday Visitor online version, 22 June, 2005.


Review of The Catholic Verses, by Dr. Stanley Williams, on Catholic Exchange website, 24 June 2005.


“Excerpt from: The New Catholic Answer Bible (NAB), inserts by Paul Thigpen and Dave Armstrong: Are Catholics ‘Born Again’?,” Our Sunday Visitor online version, 13 July 2005.


Review of The Catholic Verses, by Michael J. Miller, in Homiletic & Pastoral Review, October 2005; reprinted in Ignatius Insight.

DVD Study Guide for Common Ground [a Catholic – evangelical Protestant ecumenical endeavor], June 2007.

DVD Study Guide for What Catholics Really Believe [answers portion of the Guide for the teaching series by Dr. Ray Guarendi and Fr. Kevin Fete], July 2007.

Review of The One-Minute Apologist, by Carl E. Olson, in National Catholic Register, 21 August 2007.

My book, Martin Luther: Catholic Critical Analysis and Praise, was briefly reviewed by Fr. Peter Stravinskas in the January / February 2009 issue of The Catholic Response (Vol. V, No. 4, pp. 31-32). Here is the entire review:

The author is a fine apologist and has often demonstrated how Luther (and other Reformers) were much more Catholic than their spiritual heirs today. In scholarly, critical, and ecumenical fashion, the reader is led through the theological musings of a very complex and confused /confusing man. Where Catholic truth is at stake, Luther’s inadequacies are highlighted; where there is coincidence, that is happily shown. Particularly worthwhile is the treatment of Luther’s Eucharistic theology and his Mariology, where contemporary Protestants could profit greatly from their spiritual forefather. 

“‘Can I Get a Quote on That?’: An Interview With Dave Armstrong,” Gilbert Magazine (Vol. 13, No. 5, March 2010, pp. 14-17; interviewer: Dale Ahlquist. This periodical is published by the American Chesterton Society. It was devoted primarily to my book, The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton.

My Two Conversions: Interview with Spanish Journalist Itxu Díaz, of the Dicax Press Agency (April 2011).

“Ten must-see web resources for Catholics” (by Mark Shea; OSV Newsweekly, 21 February 2012; my apostolate is one of the ten profiled).

45-minute phone interview with Jimmy Akin on the topic of sola Scriptura (30 April 2012) 

“Ten Deficiencies of Sola Scriptura as a Rule of Faith,” Catholic Answers Magazine, May / June 2012, 22-25.

“Lessons from Catholic Evangelists,” by Jim Graves, The Catholic World Report, 22 August 2012 [cited at length as one of five interviewees in the article].

Review of 100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura, by Rev. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, The Catholic Response, (Nov / Dec 2012, Vol. IX, No. 3, p. 58):

Dave Armstrong is an impressive and prolific apologist, who takes on in this work the fundamental Reformation principle of “scripture alone.” The former Evangelical now sees that principle to be an “anti-principle,” indeed, “ a biblically bankrupt concept, unable to withstand scriptural, logical, or historical scrutiny.” One of the more interesting entries demonstrates the New Testament use of texts from what Protestants call “apocryphal” books or “deuterocanonical” by the Catholic Church. Highly recommended.

Review of The Quotable Newman by Rev. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, The Catholic Response (Jan / Feb 2013, Vol. IX, No. 4, p. 58):

Cardinal Newman does not admit of sound-bites but Dave Armstrong has done a creditable job of giving us easily digestible portions of Newman’s thoughts on a host of topics, conveniently arranged in alphabetical order with a precise citation following each entry. This is a wonderful addition to Newman scholarship.

“Converts Come to the Church Like St. Paul: Answers to ‘What Helped Your Conversion?'”, by Jim Graves, National Catholic Register (10 June 2013) [I’m cited, along with four other converts].

Review of The Quotable Newman by  Stephen J. Kovacs, in New Oxford Review (October 2013).

“How to Defend the Faith,” by Marge Fenelon, OSV Newsweekly (28 May 2014) [I was cited twice, along with other apologists].

“How We Honor Jesus Through Mary,” Catholic Answers Magazine, July/ August 2015, 32-36. [see similar article]

“Three Biblical Arguments for the Authority of the Church,” Catholic Exchange, 21 July 2015.

Johann Tetzel & Indulgences: Myths & Facts, Catholic Herald, 25 November 2016.

Foreword to The Mariology of Cardinal Newman, by Rev. Francis J. Friedel; originally published in 1928, reprinted by Mediatrix Press (editor: Ryan Grant), 2019.

“A Defense of the Virgin Birth Against a ‘Bible-Bashing’ Atheist”, The Catholic World Report, 24 December 2019.

“Answering the Bethlehem Skeptics”Catholic Answers Magazine, Nov / Dec. 2019.

“Dismantling a Classic Sola Scriptura Argument”, Catholic Answers Magazine, July-Aug 2020.

” ‘Tradition’ Isn’t a Dirty Word”, Coming Home Network Newsletter, Sep. 2020, pp. 4-5. 

“Christmas Trees: Christian Symbolism & Development of the Custom”, The Catholic World Report, 22 December 2020 [written in Nov. 2019].

“Parting the Red Sea: A Bible Myth?,Catholic Answers Magazine, 3 April 2023.

“6 Biblical Plagues Explained by Science,” Catholic Answers Magazine, 3 May 2023.

“Dig Deep and Defend the Bible,” Catholic Answers Magazine, 10 July 2023.

“St. John’s Gospel and the Archaeological Record,” Catholic Answers, 3 August 2023.

[see also a list of my 41 articles for Seton Magazine and more than 330 for National Catholic Register]


Cartoon Tracts

[Evangelistic comic tracts (all art by Daniel Grajek; consulting editor: Joe Polgar). Endorsed by Karl Keating (This Rock, “Dragnet”, October 1993, p. 7 / “Dragnet,” February 1994, 8-9), Fr. Peter Stravinskas (The Catholic Answer, March/April 1997, p. 27), Envoy (March/April 1997, pp. 17-18; “Friends in the Field,” by Tracy Moran), and others. Fr. John A. Hardon (+ 2000) was an editor and theological advisor, and recommended the tracts on Mother Angelica Live (21 June 1995), and had even shown them to Pope St. John Paul II. These comic tracts are now distributed by Grotto Press.] 

I am the sole or primary author of the text of five of these (the first two from 1985; others from the early 1990s): The Resurrection: Hoax or History?, The Class Struggle, Mary: Do Catholics Have a Biblical View?, The Cloud of Witnesses, and Joe Hardhat, the Quintessential Catholic: On Justification.


Books (all available for purchase — follow the linked titles)


“Confessions of a 1980s’ Jesus Freak,” 241-252 in Surprised by Truth, edited by Patrick Madrid, San Diego: Basilica Press, September 1994 (one of eleven conversion stories). Surprised by Truth has sold more than 400,000 copies and is the second-largest Catholic bestseller after the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

“The Imitation of Mary,” (written in 1997), chapter 5 in The Catholic Answer Book of Mary, edited by Fr. Peter M.J. Stravinskas, Huntington, Indiana: Our Sunday Visitor, March 2000, 31-35. 

A Biblical Defense of Catholicism (#1), was completed in May 1996, published in October 2001 by AuthorHouse (formerly 1stBooks Library), and in June 2003 by Sophia Institute Press. It includes a Foreword by the late Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. 

More Biblical Evidence for Catholicism (#2), was published in February 2002, by AuthorHouse (formerly 1stBooks Library) and republished (without appendices) in May 2007 by Lulu. It includes a Foreword by Dr. Scott Hahn.

Bible Conversations: Catholic-Protestant Dialogues on the Bible, Tradition, and Salvation (#3), was completed in June 2002 and published in May 2007 by Lulu. 

Development of Catholic Doctrine: Evolution, Revolution, or an Organic Process? (#4), was completed in June 2002 and published in May 2007 by Lulu.

Mere Christian Apologetics (#5), was completed in September 2002 and published in August 2007 by Lulu.

Christian Worldview vs. Postmodernism (#6), was completed in September 2002 and published in May 2007 by Lulu.

I wrote all of the apologetic commentary (44 articles on various topics, on 22 color inserts) for The Catholic Answer Bible (#7), published by Our Sunday Visitor in September 2002. 

Family Matters: Catholic Theology of the Family (#8), was completed in December 2002 and published in May 2007 by Lulu. 

Reflections on Radical Catholic Reactionaries(#9), was completed in December 2002 (revised second edition: August 2013) and published in May 2007 by Lulu. Now a free online book.

Protestantism: Critical Reflections of an Ecumenical Catholic (#10), was completed in May 2003 and published in August 2007 by Lulu.

Twin Scourges: Thoughts on Anti-Catholicism & Theological Liberalism (#11), was completed in June 2003 and published in September 2007 by Lulu. 

Orthodoxy and Catholicism: A Comparison (#12). The First Edition was completed in July 2004 and published in September 2007. The Third Edition (heavily revised), with very significant additional contributions from Eastern Catholic Fr. Deacon Daniel Dozier, was completed  and published by Lulu in July 2015; 383 pages. Also published by Logos / Faithlife, in January 2018.

The Catholic Verses: 95 Bible Passages That Confound Protestants (#13), was published by Sophia Institute Press in August 2004. 

The New Catholic Answer Bible (revision and expansion of The Catholic Answer Bible) was published by Our Sunday Visitor in April 2005. I am the co-author of the 88 articles, with Paul Thigpen (my original 44 are half of the total). In March 2011 it was released with the revised NAB text.

The One-Minute Apologist: Essential Catholic Replies to Over Sixty Common Protestant Claims (#14), was published by Sophia Institute Press in May 2007.

Catholic Church Fathers: Patristic and Scholarly Proofs (#15), was completed in November 2007 and published in the same month by Lulu. Revised second edition on 28 August 2013.

Martin Luther: Catholic Critical Analysis and Praise (#16), was completed in April 2008 and published in the same month by Lulu. 

The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton (editor only; #17) was completed in October 2008 and was published in December 2009 by Saint Benedict Press / TAN Books. 

Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths: A Source Book for Apologists and Inquirers (#18), was completed in April 2009 and published in August 2009 by Sophia Institute Press. Now a free online book.

Author of Study Guide portion of Common Ground: What Protestants and Catholics Can Learn From Each Other, by Pastor Steve Andrews and Fr. John Riccardo, and edited by Stanley D. and Pam Williams; published in January 2010 by Nineveh’s Crossing. 

Biblical Catholic Answers for John Calvin (#19), was completed in March 2010 and published in the same month by Lulu. 

“The Catholic Mary”: Quite Contrary to the Bible? (#20), was completed in September 2010 and published in October 2010 by Lulu.  

Science and Christianity: Close Partners or Mortal Enemies? (#21), was completed in October 2010 and published in the same month by Lulu.

Biblical Catholic Salvation: “Faith Working Through Love” (#22), was completed in October 2010 and published in the same month by Lulu.

Author of Study Guide portion of What Catholics Really Believe, by Dr. Ray Guarendi and Fr. Kevin Fete; edited by Stanley D. Williams; published in December 2010 by Nineveh’s Crossing. 

Biblical Catholic Eucharistic Theology (#23), was completed in February 2011 and published in February 2011 by Lulu. 

The Quotable Newman: A Definitive Guide to His Central Thoughts and Ideas (#24): original manuscript completed on 19 August 2011. Accepted for publication by Sophia Institute Press (in slimmed-down form) on 28 September 2011 and published on 12 October 2012.


100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura (#25), was completed on 4 November 2011; published on 10 May 2012 by Catholic Answers.

Classic Catholic Biblical Apologetics: 1525-1925 (#26) was completed on 6 February 2012 and published on the same day by Lulu. 

Biblical Evidence for the Communion of Saints (#27)  was completed on 11 February 2012 and published on the same day by Lulu.

I signed a contract on 8 March 2012 with Logos Bible Software, Inc. / Verbum, for inclusion of nine of my Lulu-published books to be sold on their website and included in the wonderful searchable state-of-the-art Bible study resources that they offer. 

Biblical Proofs for an Infallible Church and Papacy (#28) was completed on 21 March 2012 and published on the same day by Lulu. 

The Quotable Wesley (#29) was completed on 2 May 2012 and originally published on the same day by Lulu. A contract with the Protestant publisher Beacon Hill Press was signed on 17 December 2012, with publication scheduled for 1 April 2014.

Beatles, Motown, Beach Boys, Etc.: Classic Rock Discographies, Commentary, and Mono vs. Stereo Analysis (#30) [my only non-theological book thus far] was completed on 12 May 2012, and published on the same day by Lulu. 

Pillars of Sola Scriptura: Replies to Whitaker, Goode, & Biblical “Proofs” for “Bible Alone” (#31) was completed on 7 July 2012 and published on 2 September 2012 by Lulu.  

The Quotable Augustine: Distinctively Catholic Elements in His Theology (#32) was completed on 1 September 2012 and published on the same day by Lulu. 

A Biblical Critique of Calvinism (#33) was completed on 23 October 2012 and published on the same day at Lulu.

Theology of God: Biblical, Chalcedonian Trinitarianism and Christology (#34) was completed on 14 November 2012 and published on 15 November 2012 at Lulu.

Mass Movements: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, the New Mass, and Ecumenism (#35) was completed on 20 December 2012 and published on the same day at Lulu. 

The Quotable Summa Theologica (#36) was completed on 29 January 2013 and published at Lulu the next day.

Biblical Catholic Apologetics: A Collection of Essays (#37) was completed on 22 March 2013 and published at Lulu on the same day.

Catholic Converts and Conversion (#38) was completed on 8 April 2013 and published at Lulu on the same day.

The Quotable Eastern Church Fathers (#39) was completed on 8 July 2013 and published at Lulu on the same day.

The Quotable Newman, Vol. II (#40) was completed on 26 August 2013 and published at Lulu the next day.

Revelation! 1001 Bible Answers to Theological Topics (#41), was completed on 3 October 2013 and published at Lulu on the same day.

Debating James White: Shocking Failures of the “Undefeatable” Anti-Catholic Champion (#42) was completed on 1 November 2013 and published at Lulu on the same day.

Pope Francis Explained: Survey of Myths, Legends, and Catholic Defenses in Harmony with Tradition (#43) was completed on 22 January 2014 and published at Lulu on the same day.

Quotable Catholic Mystics and Contemplatives (#44) was completed on 30 April 2014 and published at Lulu on 1 May 2014.

Victorian King James Version of the New Testament: A “Selection” for Lovers of Elizabethan and Victorian Literature (#45) was completed on 15 July 2014 and published at Lulu on the same day.

Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical: 80 Short Essays Explaining the Biblical Basis of Catholicism (#46) was completed on 2 August 2014, accepted for publication by Sophia Institute Press on 11 November 2014, and published on 7 July 2015.

Footsteps that Echo Forever: My Holy Land Pilgrimage (#47) was completed on 8 November 2014 and published at Lulu on the same day.

The “Catholic” Luther: An Ecumenical Collection of His “Traditional” Utterances (#48) was completed on 28 December 2014 and published at Lulu (PDF) on the same day.

Cardinal Newman: Q & A in Theology, Church History, and Conversion (#49) was completed on 24 May 2015 and published at Lulu on the same day.
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“The Perspicuity (‘Clearness’) of Scripture”: Chapter Two (pp. 11-19), of The Bible Alone?: Is the Bible Alone Sufficient? (Marcus Grodi, editor, Zanesville, Ohio: CHResources, 2016).
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¡Revelación!: 1001 respuestas de la Biblia a las preguntas teológicas (Spanish translation by Kevin Bingaman, of book #41 above); completed on 9 September 2016 and published at Lulu on the same day.
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Está na Bíblia – Os Versículos Católicos (Portugese translation by Alexei Gonçalves de Oliveira, of book #13 above); published on 8 February 2017 by Brazilian publisher, Klasiká Liber.
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Révélation !: 1001 réponses bibliques à des questions théologiques (French translation by Benoit Meyrieux, of book #41 above); completed on 13 April 2017 and published at Lulu on the same day.
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“La Virgen de los católicos”: ¿Muy al contrario de la Biblia? (Spanish translation by Lizette Sellar Moon, of book #20 above; completed on 9 June 2017 and published at Lulu on the next day.
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Evidencias bíblicas para el Catolicismo [Biblical Evidence for Catholicism: Spanish Edition]; multiple translators. Completed on 16 March 2018 as an e-book only, available only from my e-booksite.
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The Bible Tells Me So: A Catholic Apologist Challenges Protestants with Scripture (#50);  2nd expanded edition was published on 10 January 2019 by Chorabooks.
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100 Argumentos Bíblicos Contra o Sola Scriptura (Portugese translation of book #25 above); published on 20 November 2021 by Brazilian publisher, Edições Cristo e Livros.
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The Word Set in Stone: How Archaeology, Science, and History Back Up the Bible (#51): published on 15 March 2023 by Catholic Answers Press.
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The Word Set in Stone: “Volume Two”More Evidence of Archaeology, Science, and History Backing Up the Bible (#52; free online book: 160+ sections; first presented on 25 May 2023, with future additions as new material is discovered).
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Inspired!: 198 Supposed Biblical Contradictions Resolved (#53; free online book, completed on 3 June 2023).
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Justification: A Catholic Perspective (#54; free online book, completed on 30 August 2023. Debate with co-author Brazilian Calvinist Francisco Tourinho; to also be published in Portugese in Brazil).
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Catholicism Explained (#55; free online six-volume “book”: ongoing. As of 6-4-25, it contains 346 1000-word articles written for the National Catholic Register for over eight years, starting in 29 September 2016. It’s enough material for six 202-page volumes or more than 1211 pages total! This is a complete catechetical and apologetical explanation of the Catholic faith).
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God of Love, Fire & Light: A Biblical Defense of Purgatory (#56: with co-author Kenny Burchard): published on 21 November 2024 by Bridge Builders Press.
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Chapter 11 (pp. 246-253), “Trad-adjacent: Radical Catholic Reactionaryism” from the book, Faith in Crisis: Critical Dialogues in Catholic Traditionalism, Church Authority & Reform, edited by Andrew Likoudis (En Route Books, June 2025).
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V. RADIO AND WEBCAST INTERVIEWS AND TALKS 
 
Love Talks with Foster Braun, WCM 990 AM, Ann Arbor, MI, 11 AM-1 PM EST on 14 November 1988; my call-in concerning my first participation in Operation Rescue pro-life activism two days earlier. [Listen: see #1]

Evangel Echoes with Emery Moss, WMUZ-FM 103.5, Detroit, MI, 12 midnight-1:15 AM EST on 3 November 1989; on the false teaching of Jehovah’s Witnesses (I was an evangelical Protestant at this time). (#1) [Listen: see #2]
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The Al Kresta Show Live, WDEO, 990 AM, Ann Arbor, MI, from 12:00-12:30 PM EST on 8 September 1997; interviewed concerning my conversion story. See the transcript. (#2) [Listen: see #3]

“Appearances” (via phone) on the Connecticut Catholic apologetics television program Pillar of Truth (host Dick Kelley), on 8 May 1999 (Development of Doctrine) [Listen: see #4 / see transcript] and 15 May 1999 (Questions and Answers) [Listen: see #5 / see transcript] — half hour each. (#3, #4)

Kresta in the Afternoon (host Al Kresta), WDEO, 990 AM, Ann Arbor, MI, from 3:00-4:00 PM EST on 30 April 2002; interviewed concerning my conversion story and my first book, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism. (#5) [Listen: see #6]

Faith and Family Live (host Steve Wood), syndicated nationwide by EWTN radio, “A Biblical Defense of Catholicism,” 11:00 AM-12 Noon EST, 10 July 2003. (#6) [Listen: see #7]

Catholic Answers Live (host Jerry Usher); affiliated with Karl Keating’s apologetic apostolate, Catholic Answers. Syndicated nationally on EWTN radio. “Why We Need More than the Bible”, 6:00-7:00 PM EST, 10 October 2003. (#7). [Listen: see #8] Jerry wrote (letter of 16 October 2003):

You did a terrific job . . . I could tell by the response from our listeners . . . that they benefited from the program. We’ll be happy to have you on the show again in the future . . . may the Lord continue to bless you and the fine work you’re doing. 

Hands-On Apologetics Live (hosts Gary Michuta and Tony Gerring) on Michigan Catholic Radio: 1090 WCAR in metro Detroit and 1080 in Lansing area. Interview and Question and Answer, 10:00-11:00 AM EST, 18 October 2003. (#8) 

Kresta in the Afternoon (host Al Kresta), WDEO, 990 AM, Ann Arbor, MI, from 5:00-5:30 PM EST on 2 April 2004; interviewed concerning general apologetics and my authorship of all the notes for The Catholic Answer Bible. (#9) [Listen: see #9]

Live From the Shrine (hosts John Kruse and Julie Komasara), Michigan Catholic Radio: WCAR: 1090 AM. General interview (conversion, books, etc.) by Julie Komasara: 4:15-5:00 PM, 24 September 2004. (#10) 


Catholic Answers Live (host Jerry Usher); affiliated with Karl Keating’s apologetic apostolate, Catholic Answers. Syndicated nationally on EWTN radio. “Communion of Saints: A Cloud of Witnesses”, 7:00-8:00 PM EST, 26 June 2006. (#11) [Listen: see #10]

Son Rise Morning Show (host Brian Patrick); Sacred Heart Radio: 740 AM in the Cincinnati area. Q & A on a variety of apologetic issues, 8:10-8:30 AM EST, 17 January 2008. (#12) 


Spirit Morning Show (hosts Bruce and Kris McGregor); Spirit Catholic Radio: 88.9 FM, Omaha. Interview concerning The One-Minute Apologist and brief conversion testimony; 8:00-8:45 AM EST, 15 February 2008. (#13) 

Son Rise Morning Show; Sacred Heart Radio: 740 AM in the Cincinnati area: 6-9 AM Monday through Friday. Ten-minute interview with Matt Swaim concerning my book, The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton, 15 December 2009. (#14) 

Spirit Morning Show (hosts Bruce and Kris McGregor); Spirit Catholic Radio: 88.9 FM, Omaha. 30-minute interview concerning The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton [taped on 29 December 2009]. (#15) 

The Catholics Next Door, with Greg and Jennifer Willits (Sirius Satellite Channel: The Catholic Channel, 159 and XM Satellite Channel 117). Interview concerning The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton 3 March 2010 (11:25-11:40 AM) (#16) [Listen: see #11]

Phone Interview with Jimmy Akin About Sola Scriptura, April 2012 [Listen: see #12] (#17)

Blessed John Paul the Great Leafeater’s Club, with hosts Terry Moran and John Lillis, on 88.1 FM in Sioux City, Iowa. 40-minute interview concerning my Catholic conversion and The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton 1 June 2012 [start 20 minutes into the audio tape] (#18) [Listen: see #13]

Catholic Connection, with host Teresa Tomeo,
produced by Ave Maria Radio in Ann Arbor, Michigan and heard on over 200 Catholic stations nationwide through the EWTN Global Catholic Radio Network; it’s also carried on Sirius/XM Satellite Radio. 21-minute interview concerning my book, 100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura, 22 June 2012. (#19)

Meet the Author, with host Ken Huck, produced by Radio Maria. 45-minute interview about my books, The Quotable Newman, and The Catholic Verses, 17 January 2013. (#20) I’ve also posted my written interview notes, that contain a lot of material that we didn’t get to, due to the constraints of time. [Listen: see #14]

Kresta in the Afternoon (host Al Kresta), WDEO, 990 AM, Ann Arbor, Michigan, from 5:20-6:00 PM EST on 14 April 2014; interviewed concerning my conversion story and my books. (#21) [Listen: see #15]

Meet the Author, with host Ken Huck, produced by Radio Maria. 23-minute interview about my book, Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical: 80 Short Essays Explaining the Biblical Basis of Catholicism, 3 September 2015 (3:30-3:53 PM EST). (#22) [Listen: see #16]

On Call, with host Wendy Wiese, on Relevant Radio: 30-minute interview about my book, Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical, 9 September 2015 (2:00-2:30 PM EST). (#23) 

Busted Halo Show, with host Fr. Dave Dwyer (Sirius XM: Catholic Channel):  30-minute interview about my book, Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical, 18 September 2015 (9:00-9:30 PM EST). (#24)

Pathways of Learning, with host Sister Marie Pappas: one hour interview about my book, Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical, 15 October 2015 (12:00-1:00 PM EST). (#25) [Listen: see #17]

Hands On Apologetics with Gary Michuta (Virgin Most Powerful Radio): 30-minute  interview on broad apologetics topics, 12 October 2018 (1:30-2:00 PM EST) (#26)

Hands On Apologetics with Gary Michuta (Virgin Most Powerful Radio): 45-minute  interview on sola Scriptura, 9 November 2018 (1:00-2:00 PM EST) (#27)

Dave Armstrong Responds to Gavin Ortlund on Jerome & the Monepiscopacy [30-minute audio presentation Suan Sonna’s YouTube channel, Intellectual Catholicism, 4 February 2024 (#28)

My visit to the Holy Land in 2014 and my book chronicling it, Footsteps That Echo Forever [35-minute interview with John Benko on The 4 Persons Podcast, 20 March 2025 (#29)

VI. REFERENCES AND RECOMMENDATIONS

The late Servant of God, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. (respected theologian / prolific author / catechist for St. Teresa of Calcutta’s Missionaries of Charity, close advisor to Pope St. Paul VI). Fr. Hardon wrote the Foreword for my first book, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism:

I highly recommend his work, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism, which I find to be thoroughly orthodox, well-written, and effective for the purpose of making Catholic truth more understandable and accessible to the public at large. It is, I firmly believe, a fine book of popular Catholic apologetics.

Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas (prominent Catholic apologist and author). My articles have appeared in the magazine he edited: The Catholic Answer, six times:

I always appreciate your work.

Dave Armstrong is an impressive and prolific apologist.

The late Fr. Ray Ryland (adviser to Catholic Answers and Coming Home Network; prominent ecumenist and apologist):

God bless you in your indefatigable labors on behalf of the Faith! Only God knows how many lives your efforts have touched with the truth. May God continually bless you and guide you . . .

Your splendid book [A Biblical Defense of Catholicism] . . . spreads forth a feast of intellectual nourishment for the Catholic faith. I do hope it has wide circulation . . . God bless you and give you joy and strength in persevering in your important ministry.

Dr. Scott Hahn (perhaps the preeminent Catholic apologist today; author of Rome Sweet Home — with his wife Kimberly). He wrote the Foreword for my second book, More Biblical Evidence for Catholicism:

I spent over an hour romping around your website. Nice, very nice . . . Good stuff. Keep up the great work . . . rather remarkable cyber-talents.

Thanks again for the great work you’re doing for Christ and His Church. No matter how long it’s taken, the Lord clearly has you right where He wants you.

Karl Keating (founder of Catholic Answers, father of the modern Catholic apologetics revival, and best-selling author):

Dave has been a full-time apologist for years. He’s done much good for thousands of people.

You have a lot of good things to say, and you’re industrious. Your content often is great. You’ve done yeoman work over the decades, and many more people [should] profit from your writing. They need what you have to say.

I know you spend countless hours writing about and defending the Church. There may not be any American apologist who puts in more labor than you. You’ve been a hard-working laborer in the vineyard for a long time.

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[3-23-18] Dave has produced a lot of good work over the years. He’s one of the better U.S. apologists, and I don’t recall him ever being accused, legitimately, of theological error. He always has been conscientious in his work, trying to dig a bit deeper than most other apologists. And he always has made an effort to be kind, even to those who might not seem to deserve much kindness.

Steve Ray (author of apologetic books Crossing the Tiber [San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1997] and Upon This Rock [Ignatius, 1999] ):

Keep up the good work. I am constantly sending people to your page to find answers for their questions and sources for their search.

Marcus Grodi (story in Surprised by Truth, director of The Coming Home Network, and host of the live call-in TV show on EWTN: The Journey Home):

You utterly amaze me! Such good stuff . . . Dave, keep up your effective and eternally valuable apologetic journalism!

Patrick Madrid (well-known Catholic apologist; editor of Surprised by Truth and Envoy Magazine, author of Pope Fiction):

I’ve been noticing a lot of positive comments from around the country on your apologetics efforts on the Internet. Bravo!

I admire, as ever, your fantastic and penetrating work for Christ and His Church.

Keep up the fantastic work with “Biblical Catholicism.” All of us at Envoy love it and often refer people to it.

Tim Staples (Catholic Answers apologist):

Every so often, I recommend great apostolates, websites, etc. And I am very careful to recommend only the very best that are entirely Catholic and in union with the Church. Dave Armstrong’s Biblical Evidence for Catholicism site is one of those. It is a veritable treasure chest of information. Dave is thorough in his research, relentlessly orthodox, and very easy to read.

 Dr. Kenneth Howell (Catholic apologist; author of Mary of Nazareth, Queenship Pub. Co., 1998):

You do such good work. Without pride, don’t minimize the gifts God has given you. Your web page is excellent and you are obviously a self-taught man.

Steve Wood (prominent advocate of traditional family values):

You have done a VERY great job on your web site. Keep up the excellent work!

Dr. Paul Thigpen (apologist and prolific author):

Wow, Dave–the fountain just keeps gushing! You’ll never know this side of eternity just how many souls have been brought closer to the Kingdom and to the fullness of the Faith through your efforts. I recommend your website frequently . . . Just wanted to let you know I appreciate your labors of love . . .

Amy Welborn (well-known Catholic author and blogmaster):

There is someone out there who says what I have to say much better than I ever could — the smartest Catholic apologist I know of — Dave Armstrong.

Fr. Joseph Fessio (President of Ignatius Press):

I certainly think it [the earlier, much longer version of my manuscript A Biblical Defense of Catholicism] is a valuable tool.

Mike Aquilina (Catholic apologist and author of several books):

I love your books, love your site, love everything you do. God bless you in your work. I’m very grateful for all you’ve done, and for all you make available. If someone pitches a hard question at me, I go first to your site. Then I send the questioner directly to the page that best answers the question. I know it’s going to be on your site.

Al Kresta (late Catholic talk show host — Kresta in the Afternoon [Ave Maria Radio] — and author of Why Do Catholics Genuflect?, Servant, 2001):

People regularly tell me how much they appreciate your work. Your website is incredible and I recommend it regularly to new Catholics.

Dave Armstrong is a master of biblical citation and compressing arguments. He does in a few pages what many apologists take chapters to accomplish.

Fr. Dwight Longenecker (author and prominent blogmaster):

Dave Armstrong[‘s] website is an amazing treasure trove representing hours – yea a lifetime of material gathered to defend Catholic doctrine. Over the years Dave has gathered the evidence for Catholic teaching from just about every source imaginable. He has the strength not only to understand the Catholic faith, but to understand the subtleties and arguments of his Protestant opponents.

Devin Rose (apologist and author of The Protestant’s Dilemma):

I love how Dave makes so much use of the Scriptures in his arguments, showing that the Bible is fully compatible with Catholicism, even more plausibly so than it is with Protestantism. . . . Dave is the hardest working Catholic apologist I know. He is an inspiration to me. 

Marcellino D’Ambrosio, Ph.D. (apologist and author)

Thanks for all the important work you do defending and explaining the faith. [I’m] especially grateful for your defense of Pope Francis against his reactionary detractors.

Dave Armstrong is one of the very best Catholic apologists that I have the pleasure of knowing. (on his Facebook page, 2-19-22)

Brandon Vogt (apologist and author)

As you know, I’ve long appreciated your work. It’s been helpful to me in so many ways.

Carl E. Olson [editor of The Catholic World Report and Catholic author]

This book [The One-Minute Apologist] is commendable for being pithy and precise while never being either simplistic or dense, an indication of how well Armstrong knows his subject matter and his audience. In fact, this is the sort of book that could only be written by someone who has spent countless hours studying, articulating and discussing the Catholic faith, to the point that he knows how to accurately answer questions and clearly correct misunderstandings. The writing is punchy but never pugnacious, accessible and substantial.

Fr. Paddy McCafferty (active online; from Belfast)

I appreciate everything you write, Dave. You are an inexhaustible fount of excellent material on virtually every topic and an invaluable resource of superb apologetics. (Facebook, 2-4-21)

Dave is a very skilled Catholic apologist and superb writer. His explanations and defences of Catholic doctrine are phenomenal. (Facebook, 1-24-23)

Karlo Broussard (Catholic Answers apologist and author)

I really appreciate your work. I’ve been reading your papers and books for many years now and have benefited greatly from them. You’re an inspiration to me as an apologist. (correspondence, 2-15-21)

The late Thomas Howard (convert, English professor, and author of many classic Catholic books)

Bravo to you for all that you’ve written. And my word! Your bibliography is astounding — you seem to have read everyone and everything! I’m keeping it for reference, since I am almost unremittingly in correspondence with people who are undergoing the agonies of conversion to Rome. I wish we could have chatted. Perhaps our paths will cross one day. But in the meantime, thank you so much for these things. (postcard dated 7 September 1991. I had given him a bibliography I put together for my first book, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism, and some other early apologetics papers of mine, at a First Friday breakfast. We did meet again and briefly talked  at a Steubenville Defending the Faith conference a few years later. He was a great man)

William Albrëcht (Catholic talk show host and debater)

As usual, your posts are thought-provoking and fantastic. I appreciate you staying so on top of these important matters. (on my Facebook page, 9-27-21)

Dr. Stanley D. Williams (Catholic filmmaker and writer / apologist)

I have a number of Dave’s books and trust them easily. I have never known Dave to write amiss of Catholic teaching. He is a trusted apologist and writer. Thanks Dave for your work. The world is a better place for it. (2-9-23 on my Facebook page)

VII. About the Author
(Dave Armstrong)
 

Dave Armstrong is a Catholic author and apologist, who has been actively proclaiming and defending Christianity since 1981, and Catholicism in particular since 1991. Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J.
His conversion story was published in the bestselling book Surprised by Truth (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Dave’s articles have frequently appeared in many Catholic periodicals, including This Rock (now Catholic Answers Magazine), Envoy Magazine, The Catholic Answer, Seton Magazine, The Michigan CatholicThe Coming Home Journal, Catholic HeraldGilbert Magazine, The Catholic World Report, and The Latin Mass. He has been a regular columnist at National Catholic Register since September 2016 (more than 345 articles, as of May 2025). 
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Dave’s apologetic and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of Envoy Magazine and he has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including Catholic Answers Live (twice), Faith and Family Live, Kresta in the Afternoon, Son Rise Morning Show, Catholic Connection, and The Catholics Next Door.
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His large and popular website, Biblical Evidence for Catholicism, was online from February 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from Envoy Magazine. His blog of the same name (continuation of the old website, begun in February 2004), contains links to more than 5,000 articles, including well over a thousand debates or dialogues, and over 40 distinct “index” web pages.
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In September 2024, Dave began partnering with former Protestant pastor Kenny Burchard in a YouTube channel called Catholic Bible Highlights, and in May 2025 they began a second channel called Lux Veritatis, devoted to documentaries on a wider array of topics devoted to Christianity and its relation to reason, science, and history.
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Sophia Institute Press has published six of Dave’s books: A Biblical Defense of Catholicism (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 2003), The Catholic Verses (2004), The One-Minute Apologist (2007), Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths (2009), The Quotable Newman (editor: 2012), and Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for The New Catholic Answer Bible (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor of The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton (Saint Benedict Press / TAN Books: 2009). 100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His Quotable Wesley compilation was published by (Protestant / Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. On March 15, 2023, Catholic Answers Press published his volume, The Word Set in Stone: How Archaeology, Science, and History Back Up the Bible. On 21 November 21, 2024 his book co-written with Kenny Burchard, God of Love, Fire & Light: A Biblical Defense of Purgatory was published. Several of his 56 books are bestsellers in their field.

Starting in September 2016, some of Dave’s books became available in Spanish and Portugese and French translationswith more in progress.

Dave’s writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Carl E. Olson, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Brandon Vogt, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Karlo Broussard, William Albrëcht, Marcellino D’Ambrosio, and Servant of God Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J.
 
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[297 pages; completed in May 1996. Published in October 2001 by AuthorHouse and in June 2003 by Sophia Institute Press; cover illustration and design by Theodore Schluenderfritz]
 

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Table of Contents


[you can read the hyper-linked portions below online, as sample material. The Sophia Institute edition is slightly different]

Dedication
Acknowledgements
Foreword: Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J [read below]
Introduction [read below]


1. Bible and Tradition: Maintain the Traditions . . .
2. Justification: Faith Apart From Works is Barren
3. Development of Doctrine: He Will Teach You . . .
4. The Eucharist: This is My Body
5. The Sacrifice of the Mass: A Lamb . . . Slain
6. The Communion of Saints: All Who Are In Christ
7. Purgatory: . . . Saved, But Only As Through Fire [most of chapter posted online]
8. Penance: . . . Share Christ’s Sufferings
9. The Blessed Virgin Mary: Hail, Full of Grace
10. The Papacy and Infallibility: Keys of the Kingdom

Appendix 1: The “Perspicuity” (Clearness) of Scripture [read online]
Appendix 2: The Visible, Hierarchical, Apostolic Church
Appendix 3: The Historical Case for the “Apocrypha”
Appendix 4: The Biblical Basis for Clerical Celibacy
Appendix 5: A Dialogue on Infant Baptism [linked]
Appendix 6: A Dialogue on Liturgy and “Vain Worship” [read online]

Recommended Catholic Apologetic and Historical Works
Index of Scriptures [e-book versions only]
Index of Proper Names [e-book versions only]

 

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Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J.

Please allow me to introduce to you Dave Armstrong. I know Dave and his wife Judy personally. I received him into the Church on February 8, 1991, and baptized both their children, Paul and Michael. Dave has attended my classes on spirituality and catechetics. He was formerly a missionary as an evangelical Protestant, and has spent twelve years in intensive study of various theological topics. He carries this evangelistic zeal with him into the Catholic Church.
In particular, I highly recommend his work, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism, which I find to be thoroughly orthodox, well-written, and effective for the purpose of making Catholic truth more understandable and accessible to the public at large. Dave has edited and compiled much material from great Catholic writers past and present, interspersed with his own commentary and analysis. It is, I firmly believe, a fine book of popular Catholic apologetics.
Throughout his writing, Dave has emphasized the inability of Protestantism to explain coherently the biblical and historical data concerning Christian doctrine and practice. I feel this is very important in light of the inroads of Protestant thought into the hearts and minds of millions of insufficiently catechized Catholics.

In Our Lord,
John A. Hardon, S.J.
September 17, 1993

Introduction

During the course of 1990 I was actively and sincerely engaged in a lengthy historical and biblical critique of Catholicism (primarily having to do with papal infallibility) as a result of the ongoing dialogue taking place in an Ecumenical Discussion Group which I had initiated. I thought that I might entice my Catholic friends out from under the alleged “yoke” of Rome. Little did I know that before the year was over, I would be the one to change my mind!
With heartfelt joy and a keen sense of discovery, I now attempt to uphold that which I formerly attacked, and to critique many of the evangelical Protestant interpretations of Scripture which I strongly affirmed not long ago. Formerly, as an evangelical countercult and campus missionary, I was committed to the defense of mere, or generic Christianity. Now I seek to defend that Faith which might be called Ancient or Historic.
The present work endeavors to show that Catholicism can more than hold its own with regard to the evidence of the Bible, as it relates to distinctive doctrines which are considered unbiblical or even anti-biblical by many evangelical Protestants. Our separated brethren often contend that Catholics (to understate it) are very unfamiliar with the Bible. This is, sadly, probably true as a general observation (although biblical illiteracy is certainly not confined to Catholics).
Nevertheless, it has no bearing on the question of whether the Bible in fact upholds the teachings of Catholicism. Many Catholic biblical arguments and interesting exegetical conclusions are entirely unfamiliar to most Protestants (and for that matter, most Catholics as well).
I myself learned of the vast majority of these scriptural evidences in favor of Catholicism while engaged in the research for this book, which was itself originally intended as a defense of my newfound views, primarily for the sake of Protestant friends who were curious as to the rationale behind my conversion to Catholicism. The more I studied Catholic apologetic works (many of which were older books obtained at used bookstores), the more I realized what a wealth of biblical material existed in favor of Catholic positions on a number of “controversial” doctrines.
I was continually amazed at the depth and solidity of these arguments, and pleasantly surprised that the Bible, which I had loved and studied intensely for ten years, could so confidently be utilized as a bulwark in defense of the Catholic faith. Catholicism, rightly understood, is – I believe strongly – an eminently and thoroughly biblical belief system.
This was entirely contrary to what I had so cavalierly assumed, as an evangelical Protestant. Reputable Protestant commentaries often ignore, overlook, or present very unsatisfactory explanations for Catholic biblical evidences, sometimes offering no more than an unsubstantiated denial of the Catholic interpretation, with no alternative.
The weight of the evidence herein presented is all the more compelling, I think, by virtue of its cumulative effect, which is well-nigh overwhelming. Time and time again, I discovered that Catholicism is altogether consistent with biblical teaching. Many claim that distinctive Catholic beliefs are simply not found in Scripture. Often, however, those who present this charge have little or no understanding of the notion of the development of doctrine, implicit biblical evidence, or the complementary (and biblically-based) roles of Tradition and the Church. All of these factors and other related ones will be examined in this work.
Catholics need only to show the harmony of a doctrine with Holy Scripture. It is not our view that every tenet of the Christian faith must appear whole, explicit, and often, in the pages of the Bible. We also acknowledge Sacred Tradition, the authority of the Church, and the development of understanding of essentially unchanging Christian truths, as is to be expected with a living organism (the Body of Christ) guided by the Holy Spirit. A belief implicitly biblical is not necessarily anti-biblical or unbiblical. But we maintain that the Protestant principle of sola Scriptura, on the other hand, is incoherent and – I dare say – quite unbiblical.
In fact, many doctrines accepted by Protestants are either not found in the Bible at all (for example, sola Scriptura and the Canon of Scripture), are based on only a very few direct passages (for example, the Virgin Birth), or are indirectly deduced from many implicit passages (for example, the Trinity, the Two Natures of Jesus, many attributes of God such as His omnipresence and omniscience).
I have no formal theological training (although I have done a great deal of independent study over the last twenty years). This work is intended primarily as a layman’s observations for other laymen, without pretending to be anything beyond that. C. S. Lewis, the great Anglican Christian apologist (and my favorite author) often made a similar claim for his own writings. He was formally educated in English literature, not theology. To my knowledge, neither G. K. Chesterton nor Malcolm Muggeridge had any formal theological education, either. They were journalists by trade, and self-definition. Yet they – along with Lewis – are among the most celebrated Christian apologists of the twentieth century.
Furthermore, my relative lack of credentials might actually be somewhat of an advantage on my part, from the vantage point of Protestant assumptions about the perspicuity, or “clearness” of the Bible (in terms of its outlines of the means whereby a man can be saved). Martin Luther made a famous remark to the effect that even a “plowboy” could interpret Scripture in the main without the necessary help of the Church. This is, then, largely, a Catholic “plowboy’s” attempt to learn and to share from Scripture itself (although without in the least denying the authoritativeness of the Church and Tradition).
I am always wholeheartedly willing to interact with scholars and reflective and thoughtful non-scholars who hold opposing viewpoints. If, however, even superior theological education cannot suffice for an adequate, reasonable alternate explanation over against the Catholic interpretations of various portions of Scripture presented herein, then it seems to me that this would serve only to strengthen the case I have made as an ordinary layman.
The widespread existence of evangelical Protestant Commentaries and various Lexicons, Bible Dictionaries, Concordances and so forth, for the use of laypeople, is based on a presupposition that individuals without formal theological education can arrive at conclusions on their own. This is largely what I am attempting presently. The only difference is that I am willing to modify or relinquish any conclusions of mine which turn out to be contrary to the clear teachings and dogmas of the Catholic Church, whereas the quintessential Protestant ultimately can stand on his own (like Luther), “on the Bible,” against, if need be, the whole Tradition of the Christian Church. I formulate my conclusions based on the work of Church Councils, great Catholic scholars, Fathers, Doctors, and saints, just as the conscientious Protestant would consult the scholars and great pastors and theologians of his own persuasion.
Far from having to force the Scripture to conform to Catholic teaching, or to equivocate, or to rationalize away glaring contradictions, I’ve found that – invariably and delightfully – the converse is true: Catholicism is indeed the round peg, so to speak, that naturally fits into the round hole of Scripture. I have not undergone any torments of conscience or “intellectual suicide” in this endeavor, and I am more confident than ever that the Catholic Church is the “Bible Church” par excellence.
This discovery will never cease being wondrous and marvelous to me (as well as to many other fellow converts to the Catholic Church via evangelical Protestantism). For it means that we can continue to be evangelical in every proper and true sense of that word: to love and cherish the Scriptures, to follow Jesus with all our heart, soul, strength, and mind, and to proclaim the message found in the Bible in its fullness and apostolic integrity, unmingled with the error of excessively individualistic interpretation, and competing, contradicting denominational beliefs. Accordingly, this work cites hundreds of Scriptural passages from 229 out of the 259 chapters in the New Testament (88%), and more than 250 Old Testament references.
Catholicism is not a blind faith, but rather, one that is altogether reasonable, as far as reason goes (without excluding at all the essential religious characteristics of mystery, miracle, supernatural revelation, and love). A Catholic need not forsake hermeneutical rigor or critical acumen in any way.
Catholics can, assuredly, learn much from many positive and godly attributes of evangelicalism and Protestantism in general. Likewise, a Protestant can derive much benefit from Catholicism, whether he feels compelled to convert or not. The non-Catholic can – after grappling with facts and arguments such as those presented herein – eventually recognize that Catholics are able to put forth a very strong biblical case for their beliefs. Likewise, the average Catholic in the pew, who oftentimes suffers from a marked lack of spiritual confidence, can greatly benefit from an increased familiarity with the biblical arguments which bolster the Catholic position.
Each chapter will contain an authoritative definition and relatively brief exposition of the Catholic doctrine to be defended, followed by extensive scriptural commentary on individual passages. Footnotes will direct the reader who wishes to pursue issues in greater depth to other relevant works, and reinforce the arguments from scholarly sources, but will not interrupt the flow of the writing – intended to be popular and relatively non-technical in style.
It is not my intention to minimize the importance of Tradition, Councils, papal pronouncements, and suchlike, at all. Rather, I seek to exhibit as many of the biblical evidences as can be brought to bear on any particular distinctively Catholic doctrine (at least all that I’ve personally found – certainly more exist). Doctrines held in common with Protestants and Eastern Orthodox Christians, such as the Trinity, Bodily Resurrection of Christ, heaven and hell, and so forth, are not here dealt with.
All Christians agree that it is worthwhile to study and meditate upon the Bible – God’s own inspired Revelation for all mankind. Non-Catholics and even non-Christians might receive here some biblical food for thought, even if they are unconvinced by my arguments. It is a worthwhile endeavor to build bridges of understanding between Christians of all stripes, as commanded in Scripture. If this work causes the reader to delve more deeply into Holy Scripture, or various Catholic sources, or to think more critically and deeply about the biblical evidences for various Protestant and Catholic doctrines, then it will have fulfilled its purpose.


Book Reviews 

 

Interview with Peter Vere, JCL: 12 November 2001.
Bookideas.com website: review by John Hoh (Lutheran).
Anonymous review on my blog (from a Protestant considering Catholicism).
Michael J. Miller, in Homiletic & Pastoral Review, May 2004.
Albert, at the Christian Book Reviews site (traditional Anglican)
R.E. Aguirre, at the Ex Umbris Et Imaginibus In Veritatem blog (April 2008).
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 The Madonna in Sorrow, by Giovanni Battista Salvi da Sassoferrato (1609-1685) [public domain / Wikimedia Commons]

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[originally uploaded on 24 April 2003. Re-edited, with numerous additions and subject headings added: 26 April 2003; major revision: 7 April 2008]

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TABLE OF CONTENTS

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I. Overview of Catholic and Protestant Treatment of Luther’s Mariology

II. Have Catholic Apologists Exaggerated the Mariology of Luther and Other Early Protestant Leaders?

III. Lutheran Scholar Arthur Carl Piepkorn: Luther’s “Life-Long” Belief in the Immaculate Conception

IV. The Mariology of the Lutheran Confessions

V. Did Luther “Minimize” or Reject Various Aspects of Traditional Mariology in His Later Years?

VI. The Immaculate Conception: Theological MisunderstandingsVII. Immaculate Conception: Scholarly Opinion Concerning Luther’s Beliefs

I. Overview of Catholic and Protestant Treatment of Luther’s
Mariology

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I will be presenting certain little-known facts about Luther’s Mariology. Catholics would contend that Luther was more biblical and traditional on this score (hence, more correct and “orthodox” from the historic Catholic standpoint) than virtually all present-day Lutherans.

As for Protestant “suppression” of Luther’s Mariology, I will cite just two examples from countless ones that could easily be brought forth. In the standard reference work, The Theology of Martin Luther, by Paul Althaus (tr. Robert C. Schultz, Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1966), a work of 464 profusely-documented pages, no section on Mary appears at all, though there are sections on topics such as, for example, “The People of God,” “The Church as the Community of Saints,” “The Office of the Ministry,” etc., thus showing that the work is rather wide-ranging. Mary cannot even be found in the Index of Names. The closest it gets is “Virgin Birth, dogma of” (p. 464). The author writes in his preface:

My purpose in this book is . . . to present a comprehensive overview of the basic elements of Luther’s theological work . . .

It is my intention that this book systematically present and interpret Luther’s teaching.

Perhaps the key to the omission might be located in the following words:

. . . Luther’s understanding of the gospel remains a vital reality in spite of everything in his theology which reflects the conditions of his times and which we cannot use. (Preface to German edition, v-vi)

It is neither my intention nor purpose to cast aspersions upon professor Althaus’s generally excellent and helpful research. My point is only that current-day Lutherans and Protestants in general emphasize Mariology far less than the “Protestant Reformers” did (Luther, perhaps, above all). I don’t see that this is even arguable. Whether one holds that this reality is a desirable or undesirable change (which is another question: one of theology, orthodoxy, creeds, and confessions), it exists nonetheless.

To assert it as a rather obvious sociological fact (that is, obvious once one is a bit acquainted with the historical background of the development of Protestant thought) is not necessarily to take any particular position on the Mariological disputes in theology. Not all research on these issues has to have polemics and defense of one’s own particular position on theology or history as its motivation.

A similar situation can be found in Williston Walker’s book, John Calvin: The Organiser of Reformed Protestantism (New York: Schocken Books, 1969). In this comprehensive treatment of Calvin’s life and theology (nearly 500 pages), one discovers a single (rather casual) reference to Mary.

II. Have Catholic Apologists Exaggerated the Mariology of Luther and Other Early Protestant Leaders?
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In 1962 Roman Catholic author Walter Tappolet compiled an astonishing compilation of texts from Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, and Bullinger called, The Reformers in Praise of Mary. By going through sermons, devotional material and theological treatises, he documented an enduring orthodoxy of the Mariology of the Reformers. (Jaroslav Pelikan, Mary Through The Ages, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1996, 158, referencing Walter Tappolet, ed., Das Marienlob der Reformatoren [Tubingen: Katzman Verlag, 1962] )

Dr. Pelikan noted the vigorous opposition of early Protestants to idolatry and excesses of the communion of saints. But Pelikan maintains that that is not the entire picture of early Protestant Mariology:

. . . it would be a mistake, and one which many interpretations of the Reformation both friendly and hostile have all too easily fallen, to emphasize these negative and polemical aspects of its Mariology at the expense of the positive place the Protestant Reformers assigned to her in their theology. (24) They repeated . . . the central content of the orthodox confession of the first five centuries of Christian history. (25) (Pelikan, ibid., 157)

Pelikan’s opinions are echoed by evangelical David Wright:

. . . the Churches that look back to the Reformers have on the whole been less affirmative about Mary than most of the Reformers themselves. (Chosen by God: Mary in Evangelical Perspective, London: Marshall Pickering, 1989, 123)

Likewise, Catholic writer William J. Cole observes:

[Luther’s] custom of preaching Marian sermons on the Marian feasts continued in the Lutheran Church a hundred years after his death. Following the example of Luther other great songwriters of the Reformation glorified the greatness of Mary’s divine maternity. This lasting piety towards the Mother of God found an outlet in piety so that generally the celebrated pictures of the Madonna and her statues from the Middle Ages were retained in Lutheran churches. According to Heiler, it was only the spirit of the Enlightenment with its lack of understanding of the mystery of the Incarnation, which in the 18th century began the work of destruction. (“Was Luther a Devotee of Mary?,” Marian Studies, 21, 1970, 101-102)

. . . the Reformer preached more about Mary than Catholic priests do in this era of the Church’s history. (Ibid., 182)


The Catholic scholar Thomas A. O’Meara stated:

It was the times with their changes in intellectual and cultural outlook, it was the very history of the Reform with its forgetfulness of the fullness of its Lutheran and Calvinist inheritance, which caused a Christian religion to come into existence without any place for Christ’s Mother. We should remember that this was not the view of the Reformers, nor is it intrinsic to Protestantism. (Mary in Protestant and Catholic Theology, New York: Sheed & Ward, 1966, 137)

David Wright (who freely and vigorously criticizes various aspects of Catholic Mariology) applies the belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity to the early Protestant leaders generally, noting:

. . . the long-established universal belief in Mary’s perpetual virginity, which was endorsed by all the Reformers virtually without qualification. (Wright, ibid., 169)

Wright observes, furthermore, that:

. . . the English Reformers probably to a man shared [the] conviction of Mary’s perpetual virginity. (Ibid., 172)

He states that Hugh Latimer, Miles Coverdale, Robert Barnes, and Thomas Cranmer all accepted the doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity, and that Cranmer thought it was proven from Scripture. Hugh Latimer also strongly held to Mary’s immaculate conception. [Wright, ibid., 174] Many, if not most Protestants today deny the perpetual virginity of Mary, but it was standard belief among the leaders of early Protestantism (and even later prominent figures such as John Wesley).

The famous Swiss Protestant theologian Karl Barth wrote:

As Christians and theologians, we do not reject the description of Mary as the “Mother of God,” but in spite of its being overloaded by the so-called Mariology of the Roman Catholic Church, we affirm and approve of it as a legitimate expression of Christological truth. . . . The description of Mary as the “Mother of God” was and is sensible, permissible and necessary as an auxiliary Christological proposition. (Church Dogmatics, I, 2, Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1963, 138)

The Protestant Reformed scholar Max Thurian observed:

Whatever may be the position theologically that one may take today on the subject of Mariology, one is not able to call to one’s aid “reformed tradition” unless one does it with the greatest care . . . the Marian doctrine of the Reformers is consonant with the great tradition of the Church in all the essentials and with that of the Fathers of the first centuries in particular . . .

In regard to the Marian doctrine of the Reformers, we have already seen how unanimous they are in all that concerns Mary’s holiness and perpetual virginity. Whatever the theological position which we may hold today, in regard to the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary it is right to know, perhaps to our great surprise, that these two Catholic dogmas were accepted by certain Reformers, not of course in their present form but certainly in the form that was current in their day. (Mary: Mother of all Christians, tr. Neville B. Cryer, New York: Herder & Herder, 1963, 77, 197)

The well-known Lutheran theologian Friedrich Heiler thought that the Marian doctrines were greatly minimized or abandoned by later Protestants because of:

. . . the spirit of the enlightenment with its lack of understanding of mystery, and especially of the mystery of the Incarnation, which in the 18th century began the work of destruction. ( “Die Gottesmutter im Glauben und Beten der Jahrhunderte,” Hochkirche 13 [1931], 200)

Another Lutheran scholar, Basilea Schlink, believes that:

. . . the majority of us have drifted away from the proper attitude towards her, which Martin Luther had indicated to us on the basis of Holy Scripture … [partially due to the rise of Rationalism which] has lost the sense of the sacred. In Rationalism man sought to comprehend everything, and that which he could not comprehend he rejected. Because Rationalism accepted only that which could be explained rationally, Church festivals in honor of Mary and everything else reminiscent of her were done away with in the Protestant Church. All biblical relationship to the Mother Mary was lost, and we are still suffering from this heritage.

When Martin Luther bids us to praise the Mother Mary, declaring that she can never be praised enough as the noblest lady and, after Christ, the fairest gem in Christendom, I must confess that for many years I was one of those who had not done so, although Scripture says that henceforth all generations would call Mary blessed [Luke 1:48]. I had not taken my place among these generations. (Mary, the Mother of Jesus, London: Marshall Pickering, 1986, 114-115)

And the Anglican A. Lancashire states:

A rejection of Mariology must inevitably lead to a rejection of orthodox Christology. … Devotion to Mary, far from leading men away from Christ, draws the Church into a deeper recognition of the mystery of God’s loving activity directed towards man in Christ. (Born of the Virgin Mary, London: The Faith Press, 1962, 142-143)

To give the reader unacquainted with this line of inquiry a flavor of the robust early Protestant Marian piety, I will cite the words of one of the major Protestant “Reformers,” Heinrich Bullinger (1504-1575), successor to Zwingli and author of the Second Helvetic Confession:

In Mary everything is extraordinary and all the more glorious as it has sprung from pure faith and burning love of God. . . . the most unique and the noblest member of the Christian community . . . The Virgin Mary . . . completely sanctified by the grace and blood of her only Son and abundantly endowed by the gift of the Holy Spirit and preferred to all . . . now lives happily with Christ in heaven and is called and remains ever-Virgin and Mother of God. (in Hilda Graef, Mary: A History of Doctrine and Devotion, combined edition of volumes 1 & 2, London: Sheed & Ward, 1965, vol. 2, 14-15)

What pre-eminence in the eyes of God the Virgin Mary had on account of her piety, her faith, her purity, her saintliness and all her virtues, so that she can hardly be compared with any of the other saints, but should by rights be rather elevated above all of them, appears very clearly in the first chapters of the gospels of St. Matthew and St. Luke, and particularly in her Magnificat . . . If Mary really is the Mother of the Lord, . . . then it is altogether just that she should be named by the Fathers of the Church theotokos, that is to say Mother of God. Nestorius denied that in the most infamous manner . . . She . . . surpasses with distinction all women. (in Thurian, ibid., 89 / Uber die Selige Jungfrau, May 18, 1558)

Elijah was transported body and soul in a chariot of fire; he was not buried in any Church bearing his name, but mounted up to heaven, so that . . .we might know what immortality and recompense God prepares for his faithful prophets and for his most outstanding and incomparable creatures . . . It is for this reason, we believe, that the pure and immaculate embodiment of the Mother of God, the Virgin Mary, the Temple of the Holy Spirit, that is to say her saintly body, was carried up to heaven by the angels. (in Thurian, ibid., 197-198 / De origine erroris, 16, written in 1568)

Zurich during Zwingli’s tenure continued to observe the Feast of the Assumption on August 15th (Acts of the Council in March 1526 and March 1530; see Thurian, ibid., p. 186).

Protestant author Peter Toon offers a strikingly wistful reflection:

I must confess that I am deeply impressed by the way in which some of my favorite writers — Bernard, Francis de Sales, Anselm, and moderns like Hans Urs von Balthasar — have both a profound love for our Lord and a special love for Mary. Take for example this extract from a prayer of Anselm: “Surely Jesus, Son of God, and Mary His Mother, you both want, and it is only right, that whatever you love, we should love too. So, good Son, I ask you through the love you have for your Mother, that as she truly loves you and you her, you will grant that I may truly love her. Good Mother, I ask you by the love you have for your Son, that, as He truly loves you and you Him, you will grant that I may love Him truly.” . . . I ask myself: Why cannot I pray in this manner? Is there something lacking in my theological and spiritual appreciation that prevents me from regarding Mary in this way? And as yet I have found no satisfactory answers to my questions . . . In the joyful celebration of Mary, we hear, confess and believe the truth that God has taken the initiative for our salvation. Mary is a continuing witness to the divine initiative. She expressed sola gratia, ‘by grace alone’, in a dynamic and compelling way. (“Appreciating Mary Today,” in Chosen by God: Mary in Evangelical Perspective, edited by David F. Wright, London: Marshall Pickering, 1989, 225-226)

Elliot Miller, of the evangelical Christian Research Institute (founded by the eminent cult researcher, the late Dr. Walter Martin), confesses:

. . . it is regrettably true that some Protestants?no doubt in reaction to Catholic excesses?have almost forgotten Mary. This is no more the will of God than it would be for Christians to ignore Moses, John the Baptist, or the apostles Paul, Peter, and John. . . . In other words, while Mary is not exalted above every other created being in the Bible, she is one of the most important figures found in it. ‘Blessed among women,’ she is the preeminent feminine model of faith and obedience; worthy of honor and admiration. (“The Mary of Roman Catholicism,” Christian Research Journal, Summer 1990: 9-15; Fall 1990: 27-33; quote from p. 33)

Evangelical Protestant John De Satge makes a remarkable statement on Mary from a Protestant perspective:

. . . a proper relationship with our Lord’s Mother safeguards the conditions essential for evangelical religion, the heart of which is to know Christ as your Savior . . . If evangelical religion is not to be merely metaphor or sentiment or coziness, it must say things about the Savior which mean that though He is fully human and our Brother, He is a great deal more besides. And those are the very things that lead us to call His Mother the Mother of God. The things which Catholics say about Mary safeguard the things which Evangelicals say about her Son . . . Proper Marian devotion, on the contrary, opens up further reaches of experience to the searching and the succor of the Gospel . . . Once the Catholic Church has reordered its house, the time for protest is past and the evangelical should go home as soon as may be. I believe that, in Marian matters at least, that point has been reached. The task before those who believe as I do is to help our fellow-heirs of the Reformation appreciate that which they had previously denied . . . It seems to me that our Lady stands in the life of her Son’s people as a gracious hostess, making one free of large rooms which hitherto had been closed or dark and forbidding. She is supremely fitted to do this, being wholly one of us and wholly yielded to God, the Mother of God who through grace is the daughter of her Son. May evangelicals who rejoice in her Son’s Gospel take their proper share in calling her “blessed,” who accepted so fully that grace by which they live. (“The Evangelical Mary,” in Mary’s Place in Christian Dialogue, edited by Alberic Stacpoole, Slough, England: St. Paul Publications, 1982, 25-33)

Thomas Howard writes about Mary eloquently, from a Catholic perspective (this was written in the year before he was received into the Church, as an Anglican):

A parsimonious notion of God’s glory has been one result of the revulsion felt by so many over the honour paid to Mary, as though to say, If God alone is all-glorious, then no one else is glorious at all. No exaltation may be admitted for any other creature, since this would endanger the exclusive prerogative of God.

But this is to imagine a paltry court. What king surrounds himself with warped, dwarfish, worthless creatures? The more glorious the king, the more glorious are the titles and honors he bestows . . . He is a very great king, to have figures of such immense dignity in his train, or even better, to have raised them to such dignity. These great lords and ladies, mantled and crowned with the highest possible honor and rank are, precisely, his vassals. This glittering array is his court! All glory to him and, in him, glory and honor to these others.

We know all this from reading about the courts of great kings in our own history. We also know it of God, who is attended by creatures of such burning splendor that we can scarcely imagine them: angels, archangels, virtues, thrones, dominations, princedoms, powers, and then the terrible cherubim, and finally the seraphim themselves . . .

There is one whose dignity is shared by no other. She is a woman, the humblest of them all. No empress, prophetess, or conqueror she, only the handmaid of the Lord. But in her exaltation we see the divine magnanimity, which has regarded the lowliness of His handmaiden and has exalted the humble and meek . . . ‘Magnificat!’ she sings, and ‘Hail!’ we answer, in the joyful courtesies of heaven.

The Christian piety that has been afraid almost to name, much less to hail, the Virgin and to join the angel Gabriel and Elisabeth in according blessing and exaltation to her is a piety that has impoverished itself. Stalwart for the glory of God alone, it has been afraid to see the amplitude of that glory, which brims and overflows and splashes outward in a surging golden tide, gilding everything that it touches . . .

We are taught by Scripture that nothing may be worshiped but God alone. The ancient Church has always taught this, reserving for God alone the honor known as ‘latria’. But, below this worship paid to the Most High, there is a whole scale of exultation and exaltation that rejoices in the plenitude of the divine glory and leaps to hail every creature in whom that glory is seen.

A Christian devotion afraid to join the angel of God in hailing the Virgin as highly exalted is a devotion cramped either by ignorance or fear.(Evangelical is Not Enough, Nashville: Nelson, 1984, 87-89)

One of my favorite utterances from Martin Luther about Mary nicely complements the words of Thomas Howard:

She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God. (Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)

Some important recent books on Mary by Protestant Christians are Mary for all Christians, by John Macquarrie (Anglican); Down to Earth: The New Protestant Vision of the Virgin Mary, by John de Satge (Evangelical); A Protestant Pastor Looks at Mary, by Charles Dickson (Lutheran), Five for Sorrow, Ten for Joy, by Neville Ward (Methodist), I Sing of a Maiden, by Roger Greenacre (Anglican), Wallington, England: Ecumenical Society of the Blessed Virgin Mary, 1992, and The One Mediator, the Saints, and Mary, edited by H. George Anderson, et al, Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress Press, 1992 (especially Eric W. Gritsch, “The Views of Luther and Lutheranism on the Veneration of Mary,” pp. 235-241, and Gerhard O. Forde, “Is the Invocation of Saints an Adiaphoron?,” pp. 327-338).

III. Lutheran Scholar Arthur Carl Piepkorn: Luther’s “Life-Long” Belief in the Immaculate Conception
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In his footnotes 24 and 25 for his chapter 11 of Mary Through the Ages (as seen in the citation above), Jaroslav Pelikan recommends three works of Protestants about Mary, including Wright’s, and one from a Lutheran scholar as a source for the view that Luther always accepted the Immaculate Conception:

24. For contemporary efforts at a restatement of this positive place, see Heiko Augustinus Oberman, The Virgin Mary in Evangelical Perspective (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1971); and David Wright, Chosen by God: Mary in Evangelical Perspective (London: Marshall Pickering, 1989).

25. A splendid and learned summary, which like so many of his studies, could have become a full-length book, is the work of my late colleague and friend, Arthur Carl Piepkorn, “Mary’s Place within the people of God according to Non-Roman Catholics,” Marian Studies 18 (1967): 46-83.

The latter source was listed in my book, A Biblical Defense of Catholicism (p. 206: footnote 219). The exact quote (which I only summarized), reads:

. . . Martin Luther’s personal adherence to the Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God (barring two lapses) seems to have been life-long . . . (p. 76)

IV. The Mariology of the Lutheran Confessions
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Jaroslav Pelikan further states:

Even in the only confessional statement of faith by him that was officially adopted by the Lutheran church and incorporated into the official collection of the Book of Concord of 1580 . . . – the Smalcald Articles of 1537, the Latin text contained the words (which did not, however, appear in the German version): “from Mary, pure, holy, and Ever-Virgin [ex Maria pura, sancta, Semper Virgine].” (Pelikan, Mary Through The Ages, New Haven: Yale University Press, 1996, 159; footnote #32: Smalcald Articles, I,4, in Die Bekenntnisschriften der evangelisch-lutherischen Kirche, Gottingen: Vandenhoeck und Ruprecht, 1952, 414)

Since the German editions of this work omitted the Marian reference (why, I wonder?), I was curious to see what route the English translations took. The version of the Book of Concord in my own library was translated and edited by Theodore G. Tappert, in collaboration with Jaroslav Pelikan, Robert H. Fischer, and Arthur C. Piepkorn (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House / Muhlenberg Press, 1959). The phrase indeed appears on pages 291-292:

4. That the Son became man in this manner: he was conceived by the Holy Spirit, without the cooperation of man, and was born of the pure, holy, and virgin Mary.

The Formula of Concord (1577), binding on Lutherans, translated in this edition by Arthur C. Piepkorn, states in the Solid Declaration, Article VIII: The Person of Christ, section 9 (p. 595):

On account of this personal union and communion of the natures, Mary, the most blessed virgin, did not conceive a mere, ordinary human being, but a human being who is truly the Son of the most high God, as the angel testifies. He demonstrated his divine majesty even in his mother’s womb in that he was born of a virgin without violating her virginity. Therefore she is truly the mother of God and yet remained a virgin.

Likewise, in its Epitome, Article VIII: The Person of Christ, section 7 (page 488):

Therefore we believe, teach, and confess that Mary conceived and bore not only a plain, ordinary, mere man but the veritable Son of God; for this reason she is rightly called, and truly is, the mother of God. (footnote 5: Against the views ascribed to Nestorius it was asserted that Mary is theotokos)

Furthermore, additional striking Marian statements occur in the Apology of the Augsburg Confession, written by Luther’s successor Philip Melanchthon and published in May, 1531 – itself also part of the official confession of faith of Lutheranism. The editors of the version I have write: “The translation which follows is made from the Latin original. Variants in the German version, a very free translation which has been called a ‘pious paraphrase,’ are not included” (page 98):

Granted that blessed Mary prays for the church, does she receive souls in death, does she overcome death, does she give life? What does Christ do if blessed Mary does all this? Even though she is worthy of the highest honors, she does not want to be put on the same level as Christ but to have her example considered and followed. The fact of the matter is that in popular estimation the blessed Virgin has completely replaced Christ. (Article XXI: Invocation of Saints; pp. 232-233)

Note that Melanchthon decries the “popular estimation” of Mary and corrupt practices. Indeed these occurred, and continue to in some bizarre, fringe, heterodox circles (one can certainly argue about the extent of such corruptions in the Middle Ages and currently). He does not cite an official Catholic document which would contradict the above, for one simple reason: none exists. Orthodox Catholics agree with this statement (then and now, and always).

V. Did Luther “Minimize” or Reject Various Aspects of Traditional Mariology in His Later Years?
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In some minor respects the sentiment of the title above is true, but not as a generalization. I have often noted, in my papers about Luther, his tendency to contradict himself or vacillate, and the difficulty of constructing a coherent account of his beliefs. Luther’s thought was the very antithesis of the systematic and orderly teaching of, say, John Calvin. This is a problem for all students of Luther. And this is precisely why I cited a man like Arthur Carl Piepkorn, who is an expert on the subject, and thus can serve as an authoritative source for my claims, made in layman’s (as opposed to scholarly or academic) papers of popular-level Catholic apologetics. And I cite people like Jaroslav Pelikan, the editor of the 55-volume set of Luther’s works in English.

Jaroslav Pelikan noted that the perpetual virginity of Mary was Luther’s lifelong belief (in Pelikan & Helmut T. Lehmann, eds., Luther’s Works, St. Louis: Concordia Pub. House [vols. 1-30], Philadelphia: Fortress Press [vols. 31-55]: 1955, vol. 22, 214-215):

Luther . . . does not even consider the possibility that Mary might have had other children than Jesus. This is consistent with his lifelong acceptance of the idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary.

Throughout his life and theological development, Luther continued to ascribe the title [Mother of God / Theotokos] to her. (Luther’s Works, vol. 21, 346)

Catholic Biographer Hartmann Grisar concurs:

Luther always believed in the virginity of Mary, even post partum, as affirmed in the Apostles’ Creed, though afterwards he denied her power of intercession, as well as that of the saints in general, resorting to many misinterpretations and combated, as extreme and pagan, the extraordinary veneration which the Catholic Church showed towards Mary. (Martin Luther: His Life and Work, Westminster, MD: Newman Press, 1950, 210)

VI. The Immaculate Conception: Theological Misunderstandings

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The Catholic teaching on the Immaculate Conception (explicitly developed from the time of Duns Scotus, who died in 1308) has nothing whatever to do with any of Christ’s ancestors, excepting His mother, the Blessed Virgin Mary. Mary alone (and no one else, including her own mother) was preserved from original sin by a pure act of grace on God’s part. If she had merely been born into a line which had long since been rendered immune from original sin, there would be no need for God to do a further (unique, extraordinary) miracle, which is exactly what the Immaculate Conception is

Mother Mary, like us, was born in sin of sinful parents, but the Holy Spirit covered her, sanctified and purified her so that this child was born of flesh and blood, but not with sinful flesh and blood. The Holy Spirit permitted the Virgin Mary to remain a true, natural human being of flesh and blood, just as we. However, he warded off sin from her flesh and blood so that she became the mother of a pure child, not poisoned by sin as we are. For in that moment when she conceived, she was a holy mother filled with the Holy Spirit and her fruit is a holy pure fruit, at once God and truly man, in one person. (Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, edited by John Nicholas Lenker, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books, 1996, 291)

If Luther ever held the view that Mary was purged of sin some time prior to the Annunciation (in several places he states that the removal of sin occurred at her conception), then he espoused a position similar to that of St. Thomas Aquinas, and still quite different from that of the majority of Protestants today, who hold that Mary was a sinner like the rest of us (but – despite that – a pretty nice lady, and source of much tender sentimentality at Christmas-time, and profits for Hallmark and American Greetings, and people in China who make Nativity Scenes). St. Thomas wrote: (Summa Theologiae III:27:4):

I answer that, God so prepares and endows those, whom He chooses for some particular office, that they are rendered capable of fulfilling it, according to 2 Cor. 3:6: ‘(Who) hath made us fit ministers of the New Testament.’ Now the Blessed Virgin was chosen by God to be His Mother. Therefore there can be no doubt that God, by His grace, made her worthy of that office, according to the words spoken to her by the angel (Lk. 1:30,31): ‘Thou hast found grace with God: behold thou shalt conceive,’ etc. But she would not have been worthy to be the Mother of God, if she had ever sinned. First, because the honor of the parents reflects on the child, according to Prov. 17:6: ‘The glory of children are their fathers’: and consequently, on the other hand, the Mother’s shame would have reflected on her Son. Secondly, because of the singular affinity between her and Christ, who took flesh from her: and it is written (2 Cor. 6:15): ‘What concord hath Christ with Belial?’ Thirdly, because of the singular manner in which the Son of God, who is the ‘Divine Wisdom’ (1 Cor. 1:24) dwelt in her, not only in her soul but in her womb. And it is written (Wis. 1:4): ‘Wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sins.’

“We must therefore confess simply that the Blessed Virgin committed no actual sin,
neither mortal nor venial; so that what is written (Cant 4:7) is fulfilled: ‘Thou art all fair, O my love, and there is not a spot in thee,’ etc. “

See also: Marcus Hodges, O.P., Why Did St. Thomas Aquinas Reject the Doctrine of the Immaculate Conception?, Wallington, England: Ecumenical Society of the Blessed Virgin Mary, 1992.

Secondly, Catholic theologians hold that the Immaculate Conception of Mary was not absolutely necessary (i.e., it didn’t necessarily have to occur for the Incarnation to take place), but only supremely fitting and appropriate for the sublime role of Theotokos (and, of course, true in fact). The Protestant “Reformer” Zwingli showed a correct understanding of this aspect:

. . . God sanctified his mother: for it was fitting that such a holy Son should have a likewise holy mother. (Annotations in Luke; cited in Thurian, ibid., 23; emphasis added)

Mary does not make Jesus God, and sinless, by her own sinlessness. He is sinless because He is God — sinlessness being one of the immutable and inherent, intrinsic characteristics of God (whereas Mary is sinless only by God’s grace, not inherently or necessarily at all). Mary contributed to the body of Jesus but she didn’t determine His Divine Nature, just as mothers and fathers procreate and bring about a new person with a body, but have no place in creating their souls, which is a direct supernatural creation by God.

Martin Luther “praised” Mary and said that she should be honored in his very last sermon at Wittenberg. He understood the difference between veneration and worship, just as Catholics do (and he also strongly criticized excesses in Marian devotion, just as Catholics also do; particularly in Vatican II). He didn’t feel compelled to create the absolute (and quite unbiblical) silly dichotomy that characterizes present-day Reformed thought and much of Protestantism, generally speaking — where no creature can ever be given honor, lest this immediately be an assault upon God and idolatry.

In many respects, Luther’s Mariology is far closer to Catholic and patristic thought than to present-day Protestant thought. He took a position on perpetual virginity similar to that which the Orthodox take on the Immaculate Conception: one may hold it and not be considered heretical in so doing, but it is not binding. He also disavowed prayers to Mary.

VII. Immaculate Conception: Scholarly Opinion Concerning Luther’s Beliefs
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Catholics are not interested in whitewashing or distorting Luther’s views, but in presenting facts and rejoicing when there is refreshing agreement to be had. Thus, Thomas A. O’Meara, O.P., in his book, Mary in Protestant and Catholic Theology (New York: Sheed & Ward, 1966), observes:

In works on Luther’s Mariology a false picture has occasionally been given because the principle of Luther’s mariological evolution has not been kept in the foreground. We are told that Luther accepted the Assumption and yet forbade the singing of the Salve Regina; that he preached of Mary as immaculately conceived and also as a sinner. The time element, the dating of Luther’s remarks, is all-important. Luther’s Marian theological evolution in the years 1513-1527 has its own coherence, but the reformer’s thought is defintely changing, and not always in the same direction. (p. 114)

During any discussion of Luther and the Blessed Virgin we must keep uppermost in our minds that there was development in his ideas, a change more or less drastic in each aspect of Marian theology. This development had its beginning in Catholicism; it passes through contradictions, struggles, and uncertainties, and terminates in a new Marian viewpoint, one which Luther decided was Christocentric, biblical, unexaggerated, and edifying. (p. 113)

O’Meara recounts several utterances of Luther on the topic of Mary’s sinlessness. and then comments upon the same sermon I have cited as my primary “proof text”:

In 1527 Luther preached a long sermon on the conception of Mary. First he discusses the nature of original sin, then the suitability of the Virgin Birth as a means of excluding original sin in the humanity of her Son. He then discusses Mary’s own conception. Her body had the effects of original sin and was conceived in the ordinary way; therefore, in this sense, we can say that she had original sin. “But the other conception, namely the infusion of the soul . . . it is believed that it took place without contacting original sin. Therefore the Virgin Mary is in the middle between Christ and all other men . . . for her first conception was without grace, but the second was full of grace . . . Just as men are conceived in sin both with regard to body and soul, and Christ is free of sin – body and soul – so Mary the Virgin is conceived according to the body without grace, but according to the soul she is full of grace” [Weimarer Ausgabe / 1883 ff. Weimar edition of Luther’s Works (WA), 17, II, 287-289] . . . The subsequent years offer quotations which advocate the doctrine of Mary’s sanctification in conception along with passages which could be interpreted as denying it. It is likely, but not certain, that he eventually denied the Immaculate Conception. (pages 117-118)

In his footnotes, O’Meara presents a wealth of fascinating material on Luther’s opinions:

. . . Although in 1532 Luther says that Mary was conceived in sin, in 1544 he says: “God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins, for she has conceived and borne the Lord Jesus.” (WA 52, 39): Elsewhere, “All seed except Mary was vitiated.” (WA 39, II, 107). The problem of Luther’s final opinion remains to be solved. (p. 139; footnote 20)

[Horst] Preuss [Maria bei Luther (Gutersloh: Bertelsmann Verlag, 1954) ] says that Luther “eventually abandoned as unbiblical” the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception; op cit., p. 8. Friedrich Heiler [Lutheran], however, writes: “Mary is for Luther ‘immaculately conceived,’ and not just in the general sense of her sanctification as Mother of God but in the sense of the Franciscan theological school which the Roman Church in 1854 formulated as a dogma, in the sense of a preservation from original sin a primo instanti. ” F. Heiler, quoted in K. Algermissen, “Mariologie und Marienverehrung der Reformatoren,” Theologie und Glaube, XLIX (1959), pp. 3-4. Algermissen agrees with Heiler, and shows that the texts which cast doubt on Luther’s acceptance of this teaching can be interpreted in another way. Ibid., pp. 3-5,7-9. The problem has not been solved, and the difficulties arise from dating the texts and from the intrinsic possibility of Luther changing his opinion and phraseology. It is possible that when Luther denies the Immaculate Conception of Mary he is speaking only of the “active” conception of the body, and the presence of original sin in Mary’s body (fatigue, etc.) This is the opinion of Max Thurian, Mary, Mother of the Lord, Figure of the Church (London: Faith Press, 1963) . . . Lortz writes: “At any rate, the principal difficulty for understanding Luther correctly rests in the fact that there is not one Luther, a Luther always the same. There is no rigidly single doctrine of Luther even on essential questions of faith. In every point we find affirmations rich with tensions which seem contradictory . . . ” J. Lortz, “Le Drame de Martin Luther,” Decouverte se l’oecumenisme (Paris: Desclee de Brouwer, 1961), p. 348. (p. 139; footnote 22)

In his early commentary on Peter Lombard’s Sentences Luther had advocated a doctrine of double conception. Mary’s body was conceived “in sin” since it was not free of the effects of sin; Mary’s soul was conceived in grace; see WA 9, 74. (p. 139; footnote 16)

William J. Cole, in his influential article, “Was Luther a Devotee of Mary?” (see above), picks up an important and relevant point Which O’Meara discusses: one plausible theory about the interpretation of Luther’s seemingly contradictory remarks about the Immaculate Conception (pp. 121-123):

The objections brought up against Luther’s retention of belief in the Immaculate Conception can usually be solved by the distinction he repeated so many times between the active and passive conceptions on the one hand and the inchoative and perfect passive conception on the other. The active conception, i.e., the generative act on the part of the parents, to which corresponded the beginning or inchoative passive conception on the part of the offspring, interested Luther only inasmuch as he thought along with Augustine that it is by this means that original sin is transmitted. For him this is only the physical conception, i.e., of the body before the animation or the infusion of the soul. Although for moderns, it is difficult even to speak of the body’s being the subject of sin apart from the soul, Luther apparently saw no difficulty in attributing original sin to Mary, but not to Christ, in this sense. [cf. WA 4, 693; 10 (3), 331; 46, 136; 47, 860] But with regard to the infusion of the soul in the perfect passive conception, in which the person comes into being, Luther would not admit any original sin in Mary.

The Lutheran scholar Heiko Oberman, an expert on medieval theology and its relation to subsequent Protestant theology, expands upon this point, citing the theology of Gregory of Rimini (d. 1358), an Augustinian nominalist philosopher who probably had some influence on the Augustinian monk Martin Luther. One can clearly see the similarity:

. . . Gregory does not, of course, deny that, in the first moment of her conception, Mary was cleansed from original sin. This is the place where Gregory calls upon the argument that the institution of the Feast of the Conception of Mary is a celebration in honor of one who was conceived in sin and yet not born in sin. Similarly, in the second sanctification of Mary, that is, at the moment that the Holy Spirit overshadowed her to make her the Mother of God, the fomes peccati is either extinguished or neutralized by such an abundance of grace that it could not possibly sin. The first of these alternatives seems to Gregory the more probable one. (The Harvest of Medieval Theology, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans Pub. Co., 1967, 291-292)

Thomas O’Meara continues his survey of other tenets of Luther’s Mariology:

In 1522 Luther preaches on the feast of the Assumption, apparently taking this belief for granted, although he notes that it is not an article of faith . . . [WA, 10, III, 268]. In 1530 he decrees that the Assumption is an aspect of the “hypocritical Church” which should be eliminated. [WA, 30, II, 351]. In 1544 the Assumption is abandoned as a feast . . . [WA 52, 681] The period of drastic change lies within the years 1522 to 1532. It is impossible to pinpoint the moment of change, for as is usual in Luther the change is gradual and there are inconsistencies and reversals. In 1521 Luther says he does not know exactly when he gave up the veneration of the saints and of Mary, but in 1526 he writes that he venerated the saints for thirty years. (pp. 118-119)

Luther’s December (8?) 1527 sermon, “On the Day of the Conception of Mary, the Mother of God,” mentioned above and several times in this paper and others of mine, is not a figment of the wishful imagination of Catholic apologists. It comes from the Weimar edition of Luther’s works [Weimer Ausgabe; referred to in biographies of Luther as “WA”]. Thomas O’Meara gave the reference above: WA, 17, II, 287-289. As far as I can tell, it was not included in the 55-volume English set of Luther’s writings. But of course, that doesn’t mean it is nonexistent.

The Weimar German edition of Luther’s works is considered far more authoritative than the English set (which is why scholars writing in English continue to habitually refer to it, even more so than the English edition). The presence of the above sermon in WA is confirmed by the website: Index Berborum: Martin Luther’s German Writings, developed and maintained by Brian Peltonen, and provided through the courtesy of the Trustees of Boston College (see the web page for volume 17, where the following sermon appears:

Am tage der Empfengknus Marie der mutter Gottes. Luk. 11 [pp.] 280-289

For cross-referencing of Luther’s German works and English translations, see: Heinrich J. Vogel, Cross Reference and Index to the Contents of Luther’s Works (Milwaukee, WI: Northwestern Publishing House, 1983).

Already, we have seen partial translations into English of this sermon from O’Meara and the translator of Grisar’s six-volume biography of Luther. I have found two more: the first from the Catholic Archbishop William Ullathorne, in his book, The Immaculate Conception of the Mother of God, revised by Canon Iles, Westminster: Art & Book Co., 1905 (pp. 132-134):

But as the Virgin Mary was herself born of a father and a mother in the natural way, many have been disposed to assert that she was also born in original sin, though all with one mouth affirm that she was sanctified in the maternal womb, and conceived without concupiscence. But some have been disposed to take a middle way, and have said that man’s conception is twofold: that the one is from the parents, but that the other takes place when the little body is prepared, and the soul infused by God, its Creator . . .

. . . in the conception of the Virgin Mary, whose body was formed in the progress of time, and after the manner of other children, until the infusion of the soul there was no need of such a conception, for it could be preserved from original sin until the soul was to be infused. And the other conception, that is to say, the infusion of the soul, is piously believed to have been accomplished without original sin. So that, in that very infusing of the soul, the body was simultaneously purified from original sin, and endowed with divine gifts to receive that holy soul which was infused into it from God. And thus in the first moment it began to live, it was exempt from all sin . . . . . .

Thus the Virgin Mary holds as it were a middle position between Christ and other men. For if indeed Christ, when He was conceived, was both living, and at that very moment was full of grace, whilst other men are without grace, both in their first and in their second conception; so the Virgin Mary was, according to the first conception, without grace, yet according to the second conception, she was full of grace.

. . . as the rest of mankind are, both in soul and in body, conceived in sin, whilst Christ is conceived without sin, as well in body as in soul, so the Virgin Mary was conceived, according to the body, indeed without grace, but according to the soul, full of grace. This is signified by those words which the angel Gabriel said to her, ‘Blessed art thou amongst women’ [Luke 1:28]. For it could not be said to her, ‘Blessed art thou,’ if at any time she had been obnoxious to the curse. Again, it was just and meet that that person should be preserved from original sin from whom Christ received the flesh by which He overcame all sins. And that, indeed, is properly called blessed which is endowed with divine grace, that is, which is free from sin.

(from Martini Lutheri Postillae. In die Conceptionis Mariae Matris Dei, pp. 360-361. Argentorati: apud Georgium Ulricum Adlanum, anno xxx)

Lest I be accused of offering only the allegedly biased translations of Catholics (a quite common charge in Protestant-Catholic apologetic polemics), thus failing to “prove” my contentions, I shall now cite Lutheran scholar Eric W. Gritsch, who was a major translator in the English set of the works of Luther (edited by Jaroslav Pelikan), including, for example, the lengthy treatise, Against the Roman Papacy: An Institution of the Devil (vol. 41, 263-376):

Thus the Virgin Mary remains in the middle between Christ and humankind. For in the very moment he was conceived and lived, he was full of grace. All other human beings are without grace, both in the first and second conception. But the Virgin Mary, though without grace in the first conception, was full of grace in the second . . . . whereas other human beings are conceived in sin, in soul as well as in body, and Christ was conceived without sin in soul as well as in body, the Virgin Mary was conceived in body without grace but in soul full of grace.

(in The One Mediator, the Saints, and Mary, Lutherans and Catholics in Dialogue VIII, edited by H. George Anderson, J. Francis Stafford, Joseph A. Burgess, Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress Press, 1992, p. 238. He gives further references in his footnote 22 on page 381: “Sermon on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception (December 8?) 1527. Festival Postil (Festpostille). WA 17/2:288.17-34.”)

See also: Michael O’Carroll, Theotokos: A Theological Encyclopedia of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Wilmington, Del.: Michael Glazier, 1982, 226-228.

Gritsch had introduced the sermon on the same page, as follows:

In 1527 Luther dealt with the Immaculate Conception of Mary, advocating a middle position favored by a majority of theologians. Following Augustine, Luther told his congregation that Mary had been conceived in sin but had been purified by the infusion of her soul after conception. Her purification was complete due to a special intervention of the Holy Spirit, who preserved her from the taint of original sin in anticipation of the birth of Christ.

Gritsch continues, in his chapter 8, “The Views of Luther and Lutheranism on the Veneration of Mary” (pp. 235-238):

Luther’s views on Mary after 1521 are not substantially different from those he presented in the Magnificat. (p. 237)

[Luther thought] Mary should be regarded as being without sin, that is, as being “full of grace” (voll Gnaden) in the sense of being “graced” (begnadet) [footnote 20; p. 381: “This shift in translation occurred between 1522 and 1544 . . .”]; all she did was done by God in her. (p. 238; this information derived from the Personal Prayer Book of 1522: WA 10/2:408.4-8; LW {English} 43:39-40 – footnote 18 on P. 381)

As Luther put it in 1540: “In his conception all of Mary’s flesh and blood was purified so that nothing sinful remained. Thus Isaiah is correct in saying, ‘There was no deceit in his mouth’ [53:9]. Each seed was corrupt, except that of Mary.” [footnote 23; p. 381: “Disputation on the Divinity and Humanity of Christ, February 28, 1540. WA 39/2:107.8-13.”]

In the same vein, Luther also affirmed the traditional doctrine of Mary’s perpetual virginity. She was a virgin before the birth of Christ (ante partum) and remained one at the birth (in partu) and after the birth (post partum) [footnote 24; p. 381: “That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew, 1523. WA 11:320.1-6; LW 45:206. More evidence cited by Cole, {“Was Luther a Devotee of Mary?,” Marian Studies, 1970} 119 (n. 1 above).”]

. . . Throughout Luther’s career he . . . defended Mary’s perpetual virginity, siding with Jerome . . . [footnote 27; p. 381: “On the Schem Hamphoras and the Genealogy of Christ (Vom Schem Hamphoras und vom Geschlecht Christi), 1543. WA 53:640.18-22.”] (p. 239)

Luther defended Mary’s perpetual virginity and regarded her Immaculate Conception as “a pious and pleasing thought” that should not, however, be imposed on the faithful. [footnote 43; p. 382: “‘Haec pia cogitatio et placet.’ Exposition of the Ninth Chapter of Isaiah, 1543/44. WA 40/3:680.31-32. Two scholars doubt whether Luther affirmed the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary: Preuss (n. 11 above came to the conclusion that Luther rejected the doctrine after 1528; O’Meara states that “it is likely, but not certain” that Luther rejected the doctrine (118 [n. 11 above]). But Tappolet (32 [n. 1 above]) demonstrated with the use of texts that Luther did not change his mind. The literary evidence from Luther’s works clearly supports the view that Luther affirmed the doctrine, but did not consider it necessary to impose it.”]

In a similar vein Luther affirmed Mary’s assumption into heaven but did not consider it to be of benefit to others or accomplished in any special way. [footnote 44; p. 382: “Sermon on the Festival of the Assumption, August 15, 1522. WA 10/3:269.12-13. Sermon on the Festival of the Visitation (preached on the same date). August 15, 1522. WA 52:681.27-31.”] (p. 241)

A few pages later, Gritsch notes about recent Lutheran opinion on the Immaculate Conception and Luther’s espousal of it:

Jaroslav Pelikan and Arthur Carl Piepkorn may well represent the reaction of contemporary ecumenically committed Lutherans toward this dogma. Pelikan viewed the dogma as the completion of “the chain of reasoning begun by the surmise that the sinlessness of Jesus . . . depends upon His being free of the taint that comes from having two parents. Now Mary may conceive immaculately because she herself has been conceived immaculately.” [footnote 77; p. 384: The Riddle of Roman Catholicism (New York and Nashville: Abington, 1959), 131-21.”] (p. 246)

Piepkorn believed that there is a significant convergence on the matter of Mary’s Immaculate Conception between classical Lutheranism (as represented by such seventeenth-century theologians as Martin Chemnitz and John Gerhard) and Catholicism. [footnote 79; Piepkorn, 83 (n. 11 above).” – “Mary’s Place within the people of God according to Non-Roman Catholics,” Marian Studies 18 (1967): 46-83] (p. 246)

Gritsch offers much interesting information in other footnotes for his chapter:

1. Luther preached about eighty sermons on Mary, all based on biblical texts. An exhaustive collection of Luther’s statements on Mary has been offered by Walter Tappolet and Albert Ebneter (eds.), Das Marienlob der Reformatoren (Tubingen: Katzmann, 1962), 17-218, 357-64. Two studies have analyzed the chronological development of Luther’s views in conjunction with his basic theological views: Hans Dufel, Luthers Stellung zur Marienverehrung ( . . . 1968) and William J. Cole, “Was Luther a Devotee of Mary?” Marian Studies 21, (1970), 94-202) . . . (p. 379)

11. . . . There is a growing consensus among Luther scholars that Luther’s reflections on Mary were grounded in a christocentric theology from the beginning. Major Catholic studies making this point: Thomas A. O’Meara, Mary in Protestant and Catholic Theology (New York: Sheed & Ward, 1966) 123, states: “Christocentric is the key word” . . . (p. 380)

The book, The One Mediator, the Saints, and Mary, Lutherans and Catholics in Dialogue VIII, (edited by H. George Anderson et al, Minneapolis: Augsburg Fortress Press, 1992), from which the Gritsch citations above were drawn, is one of an ongoing series of works detailing ecumenical Catholic-Lutheran efforts. In this particular book, 12 Lutheran and 10 Catholic scholars participated. Their “Common Statement” (a sort of creed-like formulation agreed-upon by all) yielded some very interesting conclusions indeed:

(87) Luther himself professed the Immaculate Conception as a pleasing thought though not as an article of faith . . . (p. 54)

(89) Luther preached on the Assumption . . . There were early Lutheran pastors who affirmed the Assumption as both evangelical and Lutheran. (p. 55)

(101) From the Lutheran side, one may recall the honor and devotion paid to the Mother of God by Luther himself, including his own attitude to the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption, which he accepted in some form.

Footnote 20 for this section, on pp. 340-341, is very informative:

With regard to the Immaculate Conception, Luther taught that Mary had been conceived in sin but her soul had been purified by infusion after conception. Sermon on the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, 1527. Festival Postil (Festpostille). WA 17/2:288.17-34. In 1518 Luther declared that, even though the Immaculate Conception of Mary was an opinion asserted by the Council of Basel (1431-49), a contrary opinion need not be considered heretical unless it is disproved. Explanations of the Ninety-Five Theses. 1518. WA 1:583,8-12; LW 31:173 . . . That Christ should be born of a virgin who was “immaculate” is “a pious and pleasing thought” (haec pia cogitatio et placet) which need not be imposed on the faithful (Exposition of the Ninth Chapter of Isaiah, 1543/44. WA 40/3:680.31-32). Luther taught Mary remained a virgin before the birth of Christ (ante partum), at the birth (in partu) and after his birth (post partum) (That Jesus Christ Was Born a Jew, 1523. WA 11:320.1-6; LW 45:206). Further evidence in William J. Cole, “Was Luther a Devotee of Mary?” Marian Studies 21, (1970),119-20; on the Immaculate Conception, ibid., 120-123.

William J. Cole, in the last-mentioned article, writes:

It is noteworthy that Luther himself with considerable consistency down to the time of his death in 1546 accepted the Immaculate Conception of Mary.

[references given to support this contention]:

Festpostille – two 1527 editions, WA 17 (2), 287-289.
Sermon at the First Vespers of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary – WA 36,143.
House Sermon for Christmas (1533) – WA 37,231.
Vom Schem Hamporas und vom Geschlecht Christi [On the Schem Hamphoras and the Genealogy of Christ] (1543) – WA 53,640.
Wider das Papstum zu Rom (1545) [Against the Papacy at Rome] – WA 54,207.

. . . Luther’s final attitude can probably best be described by saying that he believed the truth of the Immaculate Conception himself, but did not find it formally and expressly taught in Scriptures. (pp. 121, 123)

Luther, in the midst of a sarcastic remark about the pope, whom he refers to as “Your Hellishness,” makes reference to:

. . . the pure Virgin Mary, who has not sinned and cannot sin for ever more. (Against the Roman Papacy: An Institution of the Devil, 1545; translated by Eric W. Gritsch, in Luther’s Works, ed. Pelikan, 41, 263-376; quote from p. 264)

Luther biographer Richard Marius (a non-Catholic?), renders his opinion on the question:

Luther might have proclaimed Mary’s immaculate conception here . . . He had earlier said that the belief was unimportant. [WA 4, 693] Here he left it alone. Later in life he affirmed it. [WA 53, 640] (Martin Luther: The Christian Between God and Death, Cambridge, MA: Belknap Press / Harvard University Press, 1999, 376)

Catholic Church historian Hilda Graef expresses what has become the general consensus of Luther scholarship concerning his Mariological views:

He opposes the Ave Maria as a prayer, but admits that she is full of grace, “because the grace of God makes her full of all that is good and empty of all evil.” [WA 17,409 / Sermon on the Annunciation, 1527] He still believes in the Immaculate Conception in the full Catholic sense, saying that “one believes blessedly that at the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin.” [WA, 17-II, 288] He seems to have given up this belief later on, though he held even in 1544, two years before his death, that she was completely without sin when she conceived the Lord Jesus. [WA, 52,39]

Footnote 6: We therefore agree with W. Tappolet (p. 32, Das Marienlob der Reformatoren, 1962): “The assertion of H. Preuss, that from 1528 onwards Luther no longer believed in the Immaculate Conception, only because there are no explicit statements on the subject, is no less doubtful than that of R. Schimmelpfennig, according to which Luther held the same view which the Church of Rome defined as dogma in 1854” and with his statement that, whatever Luther’s later attitude to the Immaculate Conception, he believed till the end of his life that “Mary, even if she should not have been without original sin from birth, was purified from it by the Holy Spirit at the moment of the conception of Jesus.”

(Mary: A History of Doctrine and Devotion, Vol.. II: New York: Sheed & Ward, 1965, 11)

. . . Luther . . . never wavered in his belief in her perfect virginity and her divine motherhood, which he vigorously affirmed in 1543.

(Ibid., p. 12; cites WA 53, 640-643 in footnote)

Also, see the following excerpt:

Disputation On the Divinity and Humanity of Christ
February 27, 1540

conducted by Dr. Martin Luther, 1483-1546
translated from the Latin text
WA 39/2,.92-121
by Christopher B. Brown

X. Argument: Every man is corrupted by original sin and has concupiscence.
Christ had neither concupiscence nor original sin. Therefore he is not a
man.

Response: I make a distinction with regard to the major premise. Every man
is corrupted by original sin, with the exception of Christ. Every man who is
not a divine Person [personaliter Deus], as is Christ, has concupiscence, but
the man Christ has none, because he is a divine Person, and in conception the
flesh and blood of Mary were entirely purged, so that nothing of sin
remained. Therefore Isaiah says rightly, “There was no guile found in his
mouth”; otherwise, every seed except for Mary’s was corrupted.

This text was translated from the Latin for Project Wittenberg by Christopher B. Brown and is in the public domain. You may freely distribute, copy or print this text. Please direct any comments or suggestions to: Rev. Robert E. Smith of the Walther Library at Concordia Theological Seminary.

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To conclude this section, it will be helpful to compile Luther’s remarks on the Immaculate Conception (or the broader category of Mary’s sinlessness) in brief, from the documentation above.

1522: ” ‘full of grace’ (voll Gnaden).”

1527: “. . . the Virgin Mary, though without grace in the first conception, was full of grace in the second . . . the Virgin Mary was conceived in body without grace but in soul full of grace.”

1533: House Sermon for Christmas – no text cited or available in English.

1540: “In his conception all of Mary’s flesh and blood was purified so that nothing sinful remained . . . Each seed was corrupt, except that of Mary.”

1543: On the Schem Hamphoras and the Genealogy of Christ – no text cited.

1544: “God has formed the soul and body of the Virgin Mary full of the Holy Spirit, so that she is without all sins.”

1544: “a pious and pleasing thought.”

1545: “. . . the pure Virgin Mary, who has not sinned and cannot sin for ever more.”

Lastly, the following is a summary of the views of scholars on the subject of what Luther believed pertaining to the Immaculate Conception, in his later years (post-1528). I have not discovered a single scholar who treats this subject who denies that the early Luther believed in the Immaculate Conception in some form. The only dispute is over whether he later rejected his earlier views. I shall list the scholars from least convinced about the later Luther to most convinced: even to the point where it is thought his view was identical to that of the Catholic dogma proclaimed ex cathedra in 1854:

1. Hartmann Grisar (Catholic): Luther rejected the Immaculate Conception after 1528 or so.

2. Horst-Dietrich Preuss (Lutheran): Luther rejected the Immaculate Conception after 1528 or so.

3. Thomas A. O’Meara (C): later rejection “likely, but not certain.”

4. Hilda Graef (C): probably accepted, but in somewhat diluted form.

5. Arthur Carl Piepkorn (L): “life-long” accceptance “(barring two lapses).”

6. Walter Tappolet (C): accepted (yes).

7. Max Thurian (Reformed): yes.

8. William J. Cole (C): yes.

9. Eric W. Gritsch (L): yes.

10. Jaroslav Pelikan (L): yes.

11. Richard Marius (probably Protestant of some sort): yes.

12. 10 Catholic scholars on the Lutheran-Catholic Dialogue Committee (C): yes.

13. 11 Lutheran scholars on the Lutheran-Catholic Dialogue Committee (L): yes.

14. Reintraud Schimmelpfennig (C): yes, in the same sense as the infallible Catholic dogma proclaimed in 1854.

15. K. Algermissen (L): yes, in the same sense as the infallible Catholic dogma proclaimed in 1854.

16. Friedrich Heiler (L): yes, in the same sense as the infallible Catholic dogma proclaimed in 1854.

Total:

Yes: 31 (16 Lutherans, 13 Catholics, 1 Reformed, 1 probably Protestant [uncertain] )
Probably: 1 (Catholic)
Probably not: 1 (Catholic)
No: 2 (1 Catholic; 1 Lutheran)

That makes for an 89% rate of scholars of various religious persuasions who positively affirm that the later Luther believed in the Immaculate Conception. Only one Protestant scholar is firmly against the opinion, while it two Catholic scholars who are against and probably against (putting to rest the charge of denominational bias and special pleading). The Lutheran scholars can be, I think, fully trusted for the interpretation of the founder of their branch of Christianity. Catholic scholars are, then, only agreeing with the consensus of Lutheran scholarship on this point. I, therefore, rest my case . . .

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Galileo Galilei: portrait (1624) by Ottavio Leoni (1578-1630) [public domain / Wikimedia Commons]

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(5-18-06)

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Eric G. (words in green) is a Catholic. Ken Temple (words in blue) is a Baptist. My older words will be in purple.

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Your point that the Protestants were off on science is well taken. Could you provide us with the exact references to where they wrote that stuff?

I just lost a good two hours of work, wherein I provided documentation of all the Protestants-and-lousy-science quotes or statements that I made in my short Galileo paper, with some new related material. But my computer froze up and I lost all of it. In any event, most of the further documentation you are looking for can be found in my paper, “Early Protestant Hostility Towards Science.” I also did some spontaneous research on Philip Melanchthon’s fascination with astrology. Much material can be found on that by doing a search on Google: “Melanchthon astrology.” That he was an avid advocate cannot be disputed at all. You’ll see how many relevant pages come up. I even found that he got the prominent Lutheran theologian Martin Chemnitz (1522-86) interested in astrology as well.

And someone’s point was good, that Protestants never claim infallibility for them, so that is moot.

I never said that they did (not in the sense that we do), though I have argued that Luther and Calvin claimed what I call a de facto infallibility, since they could never be wrong (they exhibited an utter dogmatism in the very worst sense of the word), were willing to radically oppose many many received Christian doctrines (as if tradition and overwhelming historical consensus counts for nothing whatsoever within Christianity), and regarded dissenters from their views as wretched heretics and (often) damned as well.

My point (as already explained in another post) was, rather, to show that Protestants were far more anti-science, and for a longer period, than Catholics ever were, in order to offset the myth that the early Protestants were somehow more open to the rapidly-developing science. This was a sub-theme of my book section on Galileo (especially in its revised version), and depends not one whit on any supposed claim to infallibility. So your claim that my supposed moot point was moot is itself moot and a complete non sequitur with regard to my actual argument. :-) Nice try, though.

Someone pointed out that the judgments on Galileo were stronger than what you indicated. Can we see some of those?

Sure. Juan provided a link to that (Papal Condemnation of Galileo: June 22, 1633). I’ve added emphases, to highlight the “important” parts:

Whereas you, Galileo, son of the late Vaincenzo Galilei, Florentine, aged seventy years, were in the year 1615 denounced to this Holy Office for holding as true the false doctrine taught by some that the Sun is the center of the world and immovable and that the Earth moves, and also with a diurnal motion; for having disciples to whom you taught the same doctrine; for holding correspondence with certain mathematicians of Germany concerning the same; for having printed certain letters, entitled “On the Sunspots,” wherein you developed the same doctrine as true; and for replying to the objections from the Holy Scriptures, which from time to time were urged against it, by glossing the said Scriptures according to your own meaning: and whereas there was thereupon produced the copy of a document in the form of a letter, purporting to be written by you to one formerly your disciple, and in this divers propositions are set forth, following the position of Copernicus, which are contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture:

This Holy Tribunal being therefore of intention to proceed against the disorder and mischief thence resulting, which went on increasing to the prejudice of the Holy Faith, by command of His Holiness and of the Most Eminent Lords Cardinals of this supreme and universal Inquisition, the two propositions of the stability of the Sun and the motion of the Earth were by the theological Qualifiers qualified as follows:

The proposition that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from its place is absurd and false philosophically and formally heretical, because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scripture.

The proposition that the Earth is not the center of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith.

But whereas it was desired at that time to deal leniently with you, it was decreed at the Holy Congregation held before His Holiness on the twenty-fifth of February, 1616, that his Eminence the Lord Cardinal Bellarmine should order you to abandon altogether the said false doctrine and, in the event of your refusal, that an injunction should be imposed upon you by the Commissary of the Holy Office to give up the said doctrine and not to teach it to others, not to defend it, nor even to discuss it; and your failing your acquiescence in this injunction, that you should be imprisoned. In execution of this decree, on the following day at the palace of and in the presence of the Cardinal Bellarmine, after being gently admonished by the said Lord Cardinal, the command was enjoined upon you by the Father Commissary of the Holy Office of that time, before a notary and witnesses, that you were altogether to abandon the said false opinion and not in the future to hold or defend or teach it in any way whatsoever, neither verbally nor in writing; and upon your promising to obey, you were dismissed.

And in order that a doctrine so pernicious might be wholly rooted out and not insinuate itself further to the grave prejudice of Catholic truth, a decree was issued by the Holy Congregation of the Index prohibiting the books which treat of this doctrine and declaring the doctrine itself to be false and wholly contrary to the sacred and divine Scripture.

And whereas a book appeared here recently, printed last year at Florence, the title of which shows that you were the author, this title being: “Dialogue of Galileo Galilei on the Great World System:”; and whereas the Holy Congregation was afterward informed that through the publication of said book the false opinion of the motion of the Earth and the stability of the Sun was daily gaining round, the said book was taken into careful consideration, and in it there was discovered a patent violation of the aforesaid injunction that had been imposed upon you, for in this book you have defended the said opinion previously condemned and to your face declared to be so, although in the said book you strive by various devices to produce the impression that you leave it undecided, and in express terms as probably: which, however, is a most grievous error, as an opinion can in no wise be probable which has been declared and defined to be contrary to divine Scripture.

Therefore by our order you were cited before this Holy office, where, being examined upon our oath, you acknowledged the book to be written and published by you. You confessed that you began to write the said book about ten or twelve years ago, after the command had been imposed upon you as above; that you requested license to print it without, however, intimating to those who granted you this license that you had been commanded not to hold, defend, or teach the doctrine in question in any way whatever.

You likewise confessed that the writing of the said book is in many places drawn up in such a form that the reader might fancy that the arguments brought forward on the false side are calculated by their cogency to compel conviction rather than to be easy of refutation, excusing yourself for having fallen into an error, as you alleged, so foreign to your intention, by the fact that you had written in dialogue and by the natural complacency that every man feels in regard to his own subtleties and in showing himself more clever than the generality of men in devising, even on behalf of false propositions, ingenious and plausible arguments.

And a suitable term having been assigned to you to prepare your defense, you produced a certificate in the handwriting of his Eminence the Lord Cardinal Bellarmine, procured by you, as you asserted, in order to defend yourself against the calumnies of your enemies, who charged that you had abjured and had been punished by the Holy Office, in which certificate it is declared that you had not abjured and had not been punished but only that the declaration made by His Holiness and published by the Holy Congregation of the Index has been announced to you, wherein it is declared that the doctrine of the motion of the Earth and the stability of the Sun is contrary to the Holy Scriptures and therefore cannot be defended or held. And, as in this certificate there is no mention of the two articles of the injunction, namely, the order not “to teach” and “in any way,” you represented that we ought to believe that in the course of fourteen or sixteen years you had lost all memory of them and that this was why you said nothing of the injunction when you requested permission to print your book. And all this you urged not by way of excuse for your error but that it might be set down to a vainglorious ambitions rather than to malice. But his certificate produced by you in your defense has only aggravated your delinquency, since, although it is there stated that said opinion is contrary to Holy Scripture, you have nevertheless dared to discuss and defend it and to argue its probability; nor does the license artfully and cunningly extorted by you avail you anything, since you did not notify the command imposed upon you.

And whereas it appeared to us that you had not stated the full truth with regard to your intention, we thought it necessary to subject you to a rigorous examination at which (without prejudice, however, to the matters confessed by you and set forth as above with regard to your said intention) you answered like a good Catholic. Therefore, having seen and maturely considered the merits of this your cause, together with your confessions and excuses above-mentioned, and all that ought justly to be seen and considered, we have arrived at the underwritten final sentence against you:

Invoking, therefore, the most holy name of our Lord Jesus Christ and of His most glorious Mother, ever Virgin Mary, but this our final sentence, which sitting in judgment, with the counsel and advice of the Reverend Masters of sacred theology and Doctors of both Laws, our assessors, we deliver in these writings, in the cause and causes at present before us between the Magnificent Carlo Sinceri, Doctor of both Laws, Proctor Fiscal of this Holy Office, of the one part, and your Galileo Galilei, the defendant, here present, examined, tried, and confessed as shown above, of the other part –

We say, pronounce, sentence, and declare that you, the said Galileo, by reason of the matters adduced in trial, and by you confessed as above, have rendered yourself in the judgment of this Holy Office vehemently suspected of heresy, namely, of having believed and held the doctrine – which is false and contrary to the sacred and divine Scriptures – that the Sun is the center of the world and does not move from east to west and that the Earth moves and is not the center of the world; and that an opinion may be held and defended as probably after it has been declared and defined to be contrary to the Holy Scripture; and that consequently you have incurred all the censures and penalties imposed and promulgated in the sacred canons and other constitutions, general and particular, against such delinquents. From which we are content that you be absolved, provided that, first, with a sincere heart and unfeigned faith, you abjure, curse, and detest before use the aforesaid errors and heresies and every other error and heresy contrary to the Catholic and Apostolic Roman Church in the form to be prescribed by us for you.

And in order that this your grave and pernicious error and transgression may not remain altogether unpunished and that you may be more cautious in the future and an example to others that they may abstain from similar delinquencies, we ordain that the book of the “Dialogues of Galileo Galilei” be prohibited by public edict.

We condemn you to the formal prison of this Holy office during our pleasure, and by way of salutary penance we enjoin that for three years to come you repeat once a week at the seven penitential Psalms. Reserving to ourselves liberty to moderate, commute or take off, in whole or in part, the aforesaid penalties and penance.

And so we say, pronounce, sentence, declare, ordain, and reserve in this an din any other better way and form which we can and may rightfully employ.

[Signed:]

F. Cardinal of Ascoli
B. Cardinal Gessi
G. Cardinal Bentivoglio
F. Cardinal Verospi
Fr. D. Cardinal of Cremona
M. Cardinal Ginetti
Fr. Ant. s Cardinal of. S. Onofrio

[Three judges did not sign the sentence: Francesco Barberini, Caspar Borgia, and Laudivio Zacchia.]

Source: Giorgio de Santillana, The Crime of Galileo (University of Chicago Press 1955), pp. 306-310.


How did the Roman Catholic Church at the time of Galileo know that the Pope’s discipline of Galileo was not infallible?

It’s very simple:

1. It wasn’t made by a pope.

2. It wasn’t made by an ecumenical council (in agreement with, or ratified by a pope).

[technically, neither papal and conciliar infallibility were expressly defined at that time at the highest levels of Catholic authority, though very widely believed and accepted by many centuries of practice; papal infallibility was made ex cathedra dogma in 1870 at the First Vatican Council; the Second Vatican Council treated conciliar infallibility, as I understand, in greater depth than ever before]

3. No accepted formula was expressed, in which all Catholic faithful were bound to hold this opinion as an article of the Catholic faith.

4. Even if #3 were true, the condemnation would be neither binding on all the faithful nor infallible, because of the source of the statement (per #1 and #2).

5. It had nothing truly to do with faith and morals (which Vatican I made clear was the subject of infallible declarations): meaning theology and ethical and moral issues.

Now, you will no doubt quibble with #5 (and #3, but that is eliminated by #4), but the astronomical details of the earth do not in any way constitute a point of theology. This particular tribunal was obviously gravely mistaken in both its science and in its biblical hermeneutics, but not in theology, because this isn’t a theological point in the first place. And since it is not (nor is it a moral matter), it cannot possibly be an ex cathedra or infallible statement. It’s simply wrong, period, through and through, but this has no bearing on the Catholic doctrine of infallibility because the conditions for same were not met, per #1-5 above.

The description “heresy” in the sentence is very unfortunate because, again, this dealt with no doctrine of the Catholic faith; only with a philosophical / scientific tenet (then categorized within the accepted Aristotelian cosmology, which turned out to be dead-wrong on this point). It’s a classic case of regarding something as dogma which had no business being dogma in the first place (but this tribunal didn’t “make” any dogma because it had no authority to do so). Earlier popes saw nothing “heretical” about Copernicanism; this was simply a stupid temporary diversion from solid thinking by a group of philosophical reactionaries.

It is fine for the RCC to centuries or decades or years later declare that something was wrong, etc.; but how do they know for sure at the time?

By centuries of practice; it was understood (at least by the theologically-educated; others accepted their authority) how Catholic authority functioned and operated. Often we hear that Catholics before 1870 couldn’t know about all the fine distinctions made then. Yet I have found a statement from St. Francis de Sales (a Doctor of the Church), made in 1596 (37 years before this time) which contains all the essential elements of the ex cathedra proclamation on papal infallibility from 1870:

When he teaches the whole Church as shepherd, in general matters of faith and morals, then there is nothing but doctrine and truth. And in fact everything a king says is not a law or an edict, but that only which a king says as king and as a legislator. So everything the Pope says is not canon law or of legal obligation; he must mean to define and to lay down the law for the sheep, and he must keep the due order and form.

We must not think that in everything and everywhere his judgment is infallible, but then only when he gives judgment on a matter of faith in questions necessary to the whole Church; for in particular cases which depend on human fact he can err, there is no doubt, though it is not for us to control him in these cases save with all reverence, submission, and discretion. Theologians have said, in a word, that he can err in questions of fact, not in questions of right; that he can err extra cathedram, outside the chair of Peter. that is, as a private individual, by writings and bad example.

But he cannot err when he is in cathedra, that is, when he intends to make an instruction and decree for the guidance of the whole Church, when he means to confirm his brethren as supreme pastor, and to conduct them into the pastures of the faith. For then it is not so much man who determines, resolves, and defines as it is the Blessed Holy Spirit by man, which Spirit, according to the promise made by Our Lord to the Apostles, teaches all truth to the Church.

(The Catholic Controversy, translated by Henry B. Mackey, Rockford, IL: TAN Books, 1989, 306-307)

One can see the strong similarity to the 1870 statement:

We teach and define that it is a dogma divinely revealed: that the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when, in discharge of the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, is, by the divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer willed that His Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals; and that, therefore, such definitions of the Roman Pontiff are of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, irreformable.

Is not the infallibility dogma suppossed to provide the church and the people with an umpire who can walk into the room and say, “Thus says the Lord”, and give the right interpretaion on the spot to settle the controversy?

Yes. Obviously, then, this issue was not considered important enough for the pope to make any statement at all, let alone an infallible one.

How does that solve issues at the time, when many times it takes 2-300 years before the RCC will rule on an issue?

You make the very common mistake of confusing infallibility in the ordinary magisterium with ex cathedra statements.

What are the infallible statements of the Popes throughout history that are:

interpretations or Extra-biblical doctrines, dogmas?

Here’s my paper I wrote specifically for people like you, who ask this question:

“Where Can One Find a List of Infallible Catholic Doctrines? ”

Is there a listing?

How does anyone know the list is infallible?

By consulting what the Church has said about it, in councils and catechisms, and in her greatest theologians. There are some complexities, but we would fully expect this, just as there are tons of complexities also with what all “traditional” Christians accept is an infallible Bible. There are seeming contradictions or difficulties or mysteries, but no Protestant like yourself stops believing in biblical infallibility because of those. So why do you demand a much-higher standard and perfect knowledge of us when it comes to papal infallibility?

Some say only two statements are infallible or three?

Immaculate Conception (1854)
Papal Infallibilty (1870)
Mary’s Bodily Assumption (1950)

Thos are ex cathedra statements (the very highest level of authority). But there are also infallible statements which are not ex cathedra.

Are there any others, except for Biblical statements, like Jesus is God, etc.

There was no need for such a statement on that, as it was always understood as true in the Church from the beginning, as seen in, e.g., the famous Creeds.

Juan: “Knowledgeable Catholics have always known that the Pope’s understanding of science and other secular subjects . . .”

This typical reply still won’t do, as the very Churchmen who, with papal approval, condemned Galileo, did so on the grounds that he was contradicting an article of faith: i.e. the Scriptural teaching of geocentrism.

In other words, Catholics in the 16th/17th century did see this as a matter of faith, not simply one of secular science.

Seven Cardinals on one tribunal saw things that way. Big wow. Ho hum. That hardly generalizes to all Catholics. As I noted in one reply, the majority of Catholic intellectuals were on Galileo’s side. The history of the Church and science in the previous hundred years proves that this incident was a temporary aberration in an otherwise great record in scientific matters. Indeed, many (non-Catholic) scholars hold that St. Thomas Aquinas and Scholasticism was largely accountable for the intellectual atmosphere and pedigree within which modern science began to flourish. It is no accident that this occurred in the High Middle Ages, primarily in Catholic western Europe.

The pope of the time (Urban VIII) may have approved this ridiculous decree informally, but he did not place his formal approval on it or declare it as a binding belief, so all this is much ado about nothing. Sure, some people were falsely “led” by the decree, but it has no bearing on infallibility; no relation to it at all.

As for it being a matter of faith, again (apart from the question of the level of their authority within the Church) they were simply mistaken. They wrongly believed that the Bible taught a stationary earth at the center of the universe (along with the misguided hermeneutical principles involved therein, such as the fact of habitual phenomenological language in the Bible), but that was never declared as dogma, nor is it a doctrine of the faith. You disagree? Fine; then take up Patrick Madrid’s challenge and produce an unequivocal infallible Catholic document to that effect (this does not qualify) . I won’t hold my breath. Moreover, simply being in the Bible doesn’t make something an article of faith. The Bible mentions all kinds of historical relative trivialities that make no part of the faith itself; they are merely recording historical events.

You mean to tell me that a decree of the Holy Office, approved by the Pope, and inclusion of a work on the Forbidden Index, has nothing to do with the Ordinary Magisterium?

Again, it was not formally approved; it was not even a document from the pope. The Catholic Encyclopedia article on “Infallibility” discusses both the ordinary magisterium and Galileo, contradicting you on both scores:

 

Galileo. As to the Galileo affair, it is quite enough to point out the fact that the condemnation of the heliocentric theory was the work of a fallible tribunal. The pope cannot delegate the exercise of his infallible authority to the Roman Congregations, and whatever issues formally in the name of any of these, even when approved and confirmed in the ordinary official way by the pope, does not pretend to be ex cathedra and infallible. The pope, of course, can convert doctrinal decisions of the Holy Office, which are not in themselves infallible, into ex cathedra papal pronouncements, but in doing so he must comply with the conditions already explained — which neither Paul V nor Urban VIII did in the Galileo case.

Conclusion. The broad fact, therefore, remains certain that no ex cathedra definition of any pope has ever been shown to be erroneous.

Mutual Relations of the Organs of Infallibility

A few brief remarks under this head will serve to make the Catholic conception of ecclesiastical infallibility still clearer. Three organs have been mentioned:

* the bishops dispersed throughout the world in union with the Holy See;
* ecumenical councils under the headship of the pope; and
* the pope himself separately.

Through the first of these is exercised what theologians describe as the ordinarium magisterium, i. e. the common or everyday teaching authority of the Church; through the second and third the magisterium solemne, or undeniably definitive authority. Practically speaking, at the present day, and for many centuries in the past, only the decisions of ecumenical councils and the ex cathedra teaching of the pope have been treated as strictly definitive in the canonical sense, and the function of the magisterium ordinarium has been concerned with the effective promulgation and maintenance of what has been formally defined by the magisterium solemne or may be legitimately deduced from its definitions.

Even the ordinarium magisterium is not independent of the pope. In other words, it is only bishops who are in corporate union with the pope, the Divinely constituted head and centre of Christ’s mystical body, the one true Church, who have any claim to share in the charisma by which the infallibility of their morally unanimous teaching is divinely guaranteed according to the terms of Christ’s promises. . . . the pope’s supremacy is also an essential factor in the constitution of an ecumenical council – and has in fact been the formal and determining factor in deciding the ecumenicity of those very councils whose authority is recognized by Eastern schismatics and Anglicans . . .


I’ll remember that the next time I read something out from the Vatican.

I hope you’ll remember the above clarification, so you will make the necessary and crucial distinctions that you have failed to make with regard to Galileo. But if you simply choose to disregard these distinctions of Catholic ecclesiology, then your problem lies in other areas (dissent; excessive private judgment to the point of disagreeing with clear Church teachings).

Juan: “Knowledgeable Catholics have always known that the Pope’s understanding of science and other secular subjects is not protected by the chrism of infallibility.”

Where is this written at the time of the 1870 dogma of infallibility??

. . . when . . . he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church . . . “

The Galileo judgment was the product of neither a pope nor an ecumenical council in agreement with a pope, nor was it about the faith, nor about morals, nor required to be held by the universal Church. Why is this so difficult of a concept to grasp?! I know you would love to find such an error in Catholic history to shoot down infallibility, but this one simply ain’t it! Give it up, man! :-)

What practical good or usefulness is the infallibility dogma, if it does not work all the time at the time?

It doesn’t apply to this matter, so your comment is utterly irrelevant as regards Galileo.

“Catholics are human”, you wrote — Exactly!

Indeed, this farcical document is an exemplary example of that.

The church is human, prone to errors and sins.

At a sub-infallible level, yes, of course.

Only God is infallible, and His word is infallible, being an extension of Himself, God cannot lie – Titus 1:2. “Thou hast magnified Thy word according to all Thy name” Psalm 138:2

That same Holy Scripture teaches that the Jerusalem council was infallible (Acts 15:29-30), so that is now God, His Word, and the first Christian council, so you are already mistaken. And prophets were even more than infallible: they routinely made inspired utterances right from God. And this was true long before their words were ever written down as part of Scripture, and before the same Scripture was canonized. Your beef is with God, not Catholics.

Peter says the churches he wrote to were already established in the truth, but in order to remind them and stir up their minds and memories he is diligent to write the second letter ( 3:1) in order that they will have it after he dies. ( 1:12-21) Because his eyewitness testimony was written down, we have the “word of prophecy made more sure”. (1:19)

It didn’t have to be written down to have authority. This is what Protestants don’t get. Paul taught that his oral teaching was equally as authoritative as his written word (2 Tim. 1:13-14; 2:2). Apostles were infallible, too, before their word was inscripturated, so (I hate to break the news to you, but) you are wrong yet again. The council of Jerusalem was also infallible and binding, and proclaimed as such, before it was recorded in the book of Acts. Everything is here that Catholics believe! I fail to see what else we need to produce from Scripture in order to prove that infallibility is a biblical notion.

Luke says that Theophilus was catechized (orally taught), but he writes his gospel so that he will know the certainty, the exact truth of what he was taught. Luke 1:1-4

Writing is great! Who denies that? Certainly not Catholics. I’m a writer myself. :-) The only dispute is whether writing (the Bible) is the sum total of Christian infallible authority. Catholics and Orthodox (and the Bible) say no; Protestants say yes, in opposition to the teaching of the same Bible for whom they claim alleged sole infallible authority. Here you neglect to see that the same Luke writes in the book of Acts, concerning the Ethiopian eunuch:

Acts 8

26: But an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert road.
27: And he rose and went. And behold, an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a minister of the Can’dace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, had come to Jerusalem to worship
28: and was returning; seated in his chariot, he was reading the prophet Isaiah.
29: And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.”
30: So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
31: And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

So the same writer who allegedly teaches sola Scriptura in Luke 1 now records a story for our instruction, whereby plain, “perspicuous” Scripture is not clear enough to be understood, without the necessary guidance of a teacher in the Church (8:30-31,34). Philip the Evangelist was a deacon (Acts 6:3-6), so he helped the eunuch to “understand” Scripture. Live, authoritative teaching was needed. And the same Peter that you cite as another supposed advocate of sola Scriptura also wrote:

2 Peter 3:15-16: . . . So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.

Jesus said the principle of apostolicity (as a condition for the written word of the NT) was from Himself and His word in John 17:8 – the words that the Father gave to Him, He then gave those words to the apostles. And they wrote gospels and letters, etc.

Yeah, sure, they did. But this passage has nothing directly to do with the written word. It says nothing about that, so it is a case of more of your wishful eisegesis. Jesus simply says that He communicated divine words to the disciples. Every time some overzealous Protestants see “word” in the Bible they think “Bible”, but of course, it is more often than not referring to oral preaching, not the written divinely-inspired word. It’s just more of the patented Protestant lightning-quick biblical interpretation without properly thinking about the context and intent of the passage: the rush to produce yet another alleged “prooftext” when there is none to be had for false Protestant teachings.

I have many more things to reveal to you, but you cannot bear them now. John 16:12

What in the world does this have to do with the Protestant invention of sola Scriptura, pray tell?

The only sure way of knowing the apostolic deposit is the written word, the Holy infallible Scriptures.

Then how can the Jerusalem council be binding and infallible? You tell me. The truth was arrived at infallibly with the guidance of the Holy Spirit,by men gathered together, then preached orally.

John 17:17, Psalm 119, John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Numbers of Scriptures do you no good unless they prove what you are trying to prove. :-)

John 17:17: “Thy word is truth.” That can be oral or written. Usually in Scripture (esp. the Old Testament) it meant oral proclamation of the word of God (i.e., from prophets or Lawgivers like Moses). In any event, no sane Christian denies that God’s word (whether oral or written) is “truth,” so what’s the point? It helps not one whit to determine whether sola Scriptura is true. It just states truisms that we all accept. The folly in the standard Protestant “arguments” for this false doctrine are never-ending.

Psalm 119: the same applies: “word” is not restricted to the written word or the Bible. As to the “law” and “statutes,” etc., for most Jews these were oral proclamations, and of course, mainstream Judaism of that time and in the Pharisaical school accepted authoritative oral tradition as well as the Torah, whch they believed was given to Moses on Mt. Sinai in addition to the Ten Commandments and the rest of the Law. So again a big zero as to supposed sola Scriptura. The Jews didn;t bwelieve in it any more than the NT writers did. It was a novel invention of Luther, because he had no other choice, having ditched the authority of the Church and having refused to submit to it.

John 10:35: “scripture cannot be broken.” Of course it cannot. All agree on this; it has nothing to do with the unbiblical notion of sola Scriptura.

2 Timothy 3:16-17: at least this is about the Bible, for a change, but all it does is teach that Scripture is great and wonderful (as all Christians agree again). it doesn;t say that it alone is the infallible authority. Paul in the very same letter teaches the infallibility of his oral teaching (1:13-14; 2:2).

And, as Ireneaus writes, “. . . the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith. . . ” Against Heresies, 3:4:2

Amen. That same Scripture says that the Church is the “pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Tim. 3:15). So if Scripture is the “ground and pillar of our faith” and it says that the Church serves the same purpose, then sola Scriptura is shown to be the falsehood that it is once again. The same St. Irenaeus wrote a host of things which contradict sola Scriptura, whereas his statement above does not contradict our view at all. You can see them in my debate with Jason Engwer on sola Scriptura and the Fathers (see section X). Here is Protestant historian Philip Schaff’s opinion of Irenaeus’ true opinion on the matter:

Besides appealing to the Scriptures, the fathers, particularly Irenaeus and Tertullian, refer with equal confidence to the “rule of faith;” that is, the common faith of the church, as orally handed down in the unbroken succession of bishops from Christ and his apostles to their day, and above all as still living in the original apostolic churches, like those of Jerusalem, Antioch, Ephesus, and Rome. Tradition is thus intimately connected with the primitive episcopate. The latter was the vehicle of the former, and both were looked upon as bulwarks against heresy.

Irenaeus confronts the secret tradition of the Gnostics with the open and unadulterated tradition of the catholic church, and points to all churches, but particularly to Rome, as the visible centre of the unity of doctrine. All who would know the truth, says he, can see in the whole church the tradition of the apostles; and we can count the bishops ordained by the apostles, and their successors down to our time, who neither taught nor knew any such heresies. Then, by way of example, he cites the first twelve bishops of the Roman church from Linus to Eleutherus, as witnesses of the pure apostolic doctrine. He might conceive of a Christianity without scripture, but he could not imagine a Christianity without living tradition; and for this opinion he refers to barbarian tribes, who have the gospel, “sine charta et atramento,” written in their hearts.

(History of the Christian Church, Vol. II: Ante-Nicene Christianity: A.D. 100-325, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1970; reproduction of 5th revised edition of 1910, Chapter XII, section 139, “Catholic Tradition,” pp. 525-526)

What will happen if they find archeological and scientific evidence that the 1950 dogma of the Bodily Assumption of Mary was wrong?

A similar thing as what would happen if they found archeological evidence that Jesus didn’t rise from the dead (see 1 Cor. 15:13-15). I don’t expect the body of Mary to be found anymore than I (or you) expect the Body of Jesus to be found. If it is (and it would require very serious proof), then I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it. How’s that?

Will they say, “well, the infallibility charism does not protect mistakes in science” ??

No, they say that now. What would that have to do with science? The Assumption is a proclamation concerning the faith and theology in the first place. Being confirmed or not confirmed by science is not the same thing as something being classified under science.

This is a totally sincere question.

And a totally sincere answer . . . thanks for the interaction and the opportunity and blessing to again be able to show that Catholicism has solid, plausible answers for all these Protestant arguments.

You never really get around to answering the most fundamental of questions:

What would a good Catholic have had to have done in order to be in good standing with the Church after the issuing of this papally-approved decree from the Holy Office? Granted it’s not infallible, doesn’t this lend credence to the oft-claimed mantra of the dissenterrs, that the Church need not be obeyed in a non-infallible matter, if one’s conscience judges otherwise, since the Church could very well be wrong? What would a good Catholic scientist have to do in order to be a good Catholic according to these Vatican decrees, which forbid the mere holding of the belief that the earth revolves around the sun?

And why should I lend more credence to any other non-infallible decree that comes from the Vatican?

Please note that I am a 100% orthodox Catholic, and a huge devotee of the Tridentine Latin Mass. I’m simply playing Devil’s Advocate to a question that no Catholic seems to be able to answer, without diverting to bashing Protestants or defending the Church’s overall positive role in the development of science, two points which I have otherwise never disputed.

I did indeed answer this, several ways. You brought up the issue of monogenism:

“Which is to say: If the Church was wrong on Galileo, why should we believe her on anything else she teaches noninfallibly? Why should I believe her on monogenism, for instance?”

I argued that this was much more about faith than about science; therefore, one can trust the Church (because infallibility applies to faith and morals, not science). I wrote:

“Monogenism (the common origin of all mankind) has far more to do with theology than with science, so therefore it is within the Church’s purview of faith and morals. Its main component is the belief that man has a soul, supernaturally infused by God. This cannot be proven by science; it would be like trying to prove that Jesus was the God-Man by physically examining Him. It can’t be done, because it is a non-material question which science cannot treat, by definition. Likewise, with proving that man has a soul. I would contend that this is infallible teaching.”

You also wondered:

“Constantly, we Catholics are told that we have to give internal assent and external obedience to all decisions of the Church, even non-infallible ones. Anytime a Catholic questions, for example, monogenism or the Church’s condemnations of millenialism, they are considered heretics or dissenters, although the Church has not declared anything infallible on these matters.”

I should clarify my response on millenialism:

“Millenarianism (a literal 100-year kingdom of Christ on earth prior to the 2nd Coming) is a little trickier. The Catechism does casually reject it (#676) and a decree was made by the Holy Office on 21 July 1944 (Denzinger 2296). The Catechism also mentions Denzinger 3839 from the 1965 edition (which is more recent than my 1955 version). That seems to be sufficient in the ordinary magisterium, though I am no expert in this area and simply give my opinion as a lay apologist.”

This is a little confusing. The declarations by the Holy Office may or may not have been infallible, depending on how much the pope was involved in them and what he wrote (I don’t know). But the Catechism seems to be ordinary magisterium, according to how I have explained as to what constitutes that criterion, by virtue of Pope John Paul II’s commendation of it in his Apostolic Constitution Fidei Depositum (10-11-92), where he wrote:

The Catechism of the Catholic Church, which I approved June 25th last and the publication of which I today by virtue of my Apostolic Authority, is a statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition, and the Church’s Magisterium. I declare it to be a sure norm for teaching the faith . . .

This catechism is given to them that it may be a sure and authentic reference text for teaching catholic doctrine . . . showing carefully the content and wondrous harmony of the catholic faith . . . . offered to every individual . . . who wants to know what the Catholic Church believes.

You asked:

“As well, why wouldn’t geocentrism be considered a one-time doctrine of the Church’s ordinary magisterium?”

I showed, painstakingly, how the magisterium had nothing to do with the Galileo decree. The Church has never definitively declared on geocentrism. So you have mis-defined magisterium in this instance. Once it is properly defined, there is no issue for infallibility.

I do agree, however, that there is somewhat of a dilemma for a Catholic who knew that the Galileo sentence was incorrect. I would say that in such a situation one would have to simply hold the view privately, in good conscience, and hope that better minds and reasoning would eventually win the day in the Church (as indeed happened).

This mistake occurred because the tribunal (again, not the Catholic magisterium) involved had a lousy view of biblical exegesis and the relationship of science and faith. But since the Church is not divinely-protected in matters of fine points of science, which is out of her purview, this tribunal was going beyond its prerogatives and was exceeding its authority. That doesn’t cast doubt on Catholic authority itself, rightly-understood, but only on this particular body, which made a dumb and mistaken proclamation.

I would say in conclusion (as to your dilemma) what I wrote earlier:

“In any event, it requires faith to believe that the Church speaks authoritatively and can be trusted for its theological judgments. You’ll never be able to prove that in an ‘airtight’ sense.”

Galileo was a relatively isolated incident. One shouldn’t judge the record of the Church or her trustworthiness based on an anomaly such as this, involving a body that didn’t really speak definitively for the Church in the first place (though I agree that for the layman, it would seem that it was speaking for the Church).

One has to go back at this point and consider the role of conscience and the consent of the faithful (sensus fidelium), both of which Cardinal Newman explains in a way which is harmonious with neither Catholic liberalism nor so-called “traditionalism”.

There have been instances where popes were wrong in a way that didn’t violate infallibility (in their private opinions). The classic example is John XXII. I wrote in my latest book, The One-Minute Apologist:

Pope John XXII (r. 1316-1334) denied that souls enjoyed the Beatific Vision prior to the Last Judgment, which was contrary to the received opinion up to that time. He was widely opposed by theologians and the masses of laymen, and the doctrine was defined against his view by his successor, Benedict XII, in 1336. So Pope John XXII was a heretic in that regard, but he didn’t define the doctrine; therefore papal infallibility was again not relevant, as with Honorius. That popes can possibly err in theology, privately, as individual persons, is a notion freely accepted by Catholics.

So the Galileo incident would be somewhat analogous to this one, except that the tribunal had less authority. The conditions for infallibility were not met in either case. Laypeople opposed the pope when he was wrong (on theology), so they could certainly oppose a tribunal when it was wrong (in a mere matter of science). So where’s the beef?

In this case, science was developing and the consensus was changing from geocentrism to heliocentrism. It was a unique transitional time, so this error from Catholic cardinals came at a unique time in the development of cosmology.

Any belief-system, even one as solid and believable as Catholicism, contains such “difficulties” or things hard to explain. Every belief-system will require a certain “leap of faith” because very few things are absolutely certain, if you want to talk in terms of epistemology and philosophy.

Thus, science has areas of difficulty and anomaly in virtually all of its theories. That doesn’t mean that scientists stop believing in science. They have seen enough for them to grant general assent, including in areas that are insufficiently explained by the state of present scientific knowledge (such as, e.g., what happened before the Big Bang that everyone believes in; what caused that?).

As another analogy, Protestants accept the infallibility of the Bible. At the same time, there are a host of “Bible difficulties” that they (and indeed all biblical exegetes) have talked about for 500 years. But that doesn’t erode their faith in an infallible Bible, because it is based on faith in the first place.

So I conclude that the dilemma here is not nearly as great as you are making out. It is a mild difficulty and something to work through, and I agree that it is confusing for a layman who is not up on all these fine distinctions. But then again, Catholicism is not a simpleton’s faith in the first place, and requires thought to adequately understand and practice. That gets back to what I do: trying to explain all this stuff in terms accessible to all who have at least a rudimentary understanding of theology and interest in it.

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. . . and Denigration of the Reliability of Holy Scripture

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(11 January 2000)

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The following is a satirical treatment of certain liberal theological tendencies in Christology and the study of Holy Scripture — somewhat in the style of C. S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters. In other words, what I write in the first section, I don’t really believe. It is the opposite of the theology of the Catholic Church (with which I agree). The idea is to reduce the heterodox view of Jesus Christ and the hyper-critical approach to Holy Scripture to foolishness, by utilizing a well-known technique of classical logic, called the argumentum ad absurdum. If the reader can bear with my deliberate satire and sarcasm, later I explain precisely what I meant: the very serious underlying point I am attempting to make. The words of my debate partner shall be in blue. I modified slightly his original statements in a few instances for dramatic effect; to make the point clearer. He does not necessarily accept the views I was critiquing.

 

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The “agony in the garden” scene has several manifestations in the Gospels: In Luke it occurs on the Mount of olives; in Matthew it occurs at Gethsemane (probably the same exact place: “gethsemane” means oil press); in Mark, it is also Gethsemane; in John it is a garden, again in the Kidron valley and very likely Gethsamene. In the first three accounts there is no garden, but anguish and agony; in the last there is a garden but no agony [Lk.22:39-44; Mt.26:36-40; Mk.14:32-37; Jn.18:1-11].

Obviously the Bible writers contradict themselves, then. No doubt the contradictions were added to the Bible later by zealous Christians who anxiously awaited the arrival of the higher critics.

The witnesses and evangelists all deal variously with the nature of Jesus.

More contradictions, showing the “human nature” of the Scripture over against its Divine (Inspired) Nature. But of course God wanted the human element to be in the forefront.

This is good scriptural evidence for the fully human nature within the hypostatic union. We must connect with Jesus here in a visceral way. He is suffering and agonizing to the point of death. There is little to suggest that these accounts are unhistorical; this happened.

Yes, but we can’t trust these accounts, because they were added later in order to emphasize Jesus’ humanity. We must accept only the passages stressing Christ’s divinity as authentic, deriving from the Petrine “Q” etc.

And it is totally absent from John. Why? Is John a bad historian? Does he deny the humanity of Jesus?

Naw; if he could just be left on his own without all these darned later additions, he would have done a fine job . . .

Suffice it to say that John’s goal is different from the Synoptic. Whereas the latter seek to show us the essence of human suffering of abandonment and betrayal, the former seeks to show the Divine in hypostatic union with the human.

There you go again! Can’t you see that this is a proof of later additions? Otherwise, John would ignore the humanity of Jesus and stick to the Divine . . .

The synoptics show us a Jesus struggling with his fate, petitioning God; John shows us a Jesus, not struggling but sedate in knowledge of victory, in control of all events, demanding their unfolding. Are these two different Jesuses?

Yes (now you’re beginning to catch on!). We know that when the Bible talks about the Divinity of Jesus (i.e., Monophysitism), it is inspired; when it discusses His humanity, these are later gratuitous additions, put in by zealous Chalcedonian or Nestorian scribes who wanted to corrupt the historical portrayal of Jesus with their own Greek mysticism and preconceived notions . . .

At Chalcedon these issues were resolved in a very Greek and mystical way; this is how we understand Jesus today.

Gee, what a shame, eh? Too bad these infallible councils were chained to an outmoded way of thinking. If only the higher critics had been there! They would have avoided these pitfalls . . .

There are scholars who would argue that references to this or that were added before this or that event. That may indeed be the case.

Of course it is the case! Haven’t you read what I just wrote yet? Don’t question the higher critics! They are clearly inspired, and we must place more credence in their judgments than in the Tradition of the Church or supposedly “inspired,” “infallible” Scripture, whenever there is a conflict. C’mon, wake up man!

How the gospels came to be written is certainly important stuff on some levels of discussion. Not this level.

Yeah; leave it to the esoteric, Ivory Tower higher critics. How could us mere mortals ever hope to grasp this?

One can never go wrong, however, working from the belief that the Gospels are given by God through the work of human hands.

No! NO! NO! The Bible came down from heaven in the King James Version. What are you, a liberal? Human intervention???!!! That would mean the Bible was possessed of original sin. We need a higher critic to come on this list . . . no doubt about it.

Some will view this last sentence as “loaded;” it is. I believe God wants us to see our Gospels as the true testament to the Lord. Let me assure you that [a liberal Scripture scholar] has no aversion to miracles and believes in the bodily Resurrecton.

Oh, of course he is completely orthodox. Higher critics always are, for the simple reason that they merely create their own orthodoxy, at their whim and fancy. So, e.g., Jesus knowing the future? Obviously this is a later addition. See how simple it is?

[Name] has persuasively argued that Jesus’ human intellect (apart from His Divine intellect) develops and His knowledge of future events in His human nature is limited.

Of course he is right! Who could doubt that Jesus didn’t know the future! This is a no-brainer. Everyone knows that the “Jesus” of the Bible is a mythical figure, created by the power-hungry censorious “fathers” of the conservative, repressed, patriarchal, anti-sex medieval Church . . .

[The great liberal Scripture scholar says]: “Even in regards to Jesus’ predictions of his own death, one cannot simplistically read these as actual statements during his ministry.”

Yes, yes, of course! No need to tell us this! It’s clear that only a naive simpleton could actually gullibly take the Bible at face value. It is much more complex than that. I keep saying it, but again, THANK GOD FOR THE HIGHER CRITICS! We would be so lost and brainwashed without them . . . like sheep without a shepherd.

Can one read these as “actual statements during his ministry?” It matters how one reads them.

Oh yes . . . the crucial need for the death by a thousand qualifications. Ah, the beauty of theological liberalism . . .

If one reads them for spiritual nourishment and to be in communion with the Word, then of course you could, and should read them exactly this way (I do).

What???!!!! You have fallen for the line, too? I’m shocked!

If one reads them theologically, a more scientific, analytical appproach is required; but this doesn’t negate the validity of the first method.

Well, then the magisterium has to go when it contradicts the Higher Critics! After all, the Church has stated that the Bible is infallible and inspired, but we all know that is malarkey . . .

The knowledge of whether or not Jesus knew he was God has no real bearing on the Gospel narratives. That knowledge is not the point of the evangelists nor is it a question for me.

Brilliant!!!! This is why we know the narratives about Jesus knowing His future were added in later. We know this because the higher critics have informed us, and because it fits in with our own solo mio position of biblical interpretation. You have a lot of insight on how Sacred Scripture ought to be read! Let’s stick to the Nestorian Jesus which the gospel writers obviously want to give us. Albert Schweitzer had his “historical Jesus”; we have our “Nestorian Jesus.” Let us rest and be content with that.

It’s no accident that in John’s gospel the oil press is a garden and there is no agony. That’s not the picture of Jesus given here! Here is the Logos, fully in control of every event. John’s Jesus doesn’t merely predict his violent end: he wills it.

Obviously, one can’t will to suffer, or agonize over what one wills, so we must conclude that most of John is a later interpolation, because the end result is theological orthodoxy (therefore unacceptable and obviously not inspired Scripture).

For John the event in the valley of Kidron is transformed into heroic prose; Jesus seems very much in touch with his other, divine self. This is why John does not portray agony: that would have shown Jesus’ divine nature in an impossible predicament for the Logos.

Atta boy! — this is a brilliant exposition of “either/or” reasoning. Every Enlightenment rationalist would be extremely proud of you.

It is theologically problematic to conflate the Synoptic “Gethsemane” with John’s “garden,” for an ungenuine Jesus would emerge, one not intended by any of the evangelists.

Exactly! We mustn’t trust Scripture at face value — this is just one more nail in that coffin . . . Thank God for higher critics who can demythologize this so-called “Jesus” of the Scripture and give us the real one — er, One. What a great age we live in! Such enlightenment, never heretofore known . . . Let us give thanks and humbly accept our superior theological overlords, and pray that the magisterium will one day come to its senses. I go with the Higher Critics, whenever their view conflicts with Sacred Scripture or Sacred Tradition (so-called). I’ve seen more than enough to know that they are infallible, and not just when they write ex cathedra . . .

[NOTE: (just to again make sure people understand what I was doing above): the foregoing — i.e., my writing, which was in black — was ironical, tongue-in-cheek farce, and the argumentum ad absurdum approach to logical fallacies. I am not saying that my debate partner espouses all or even a few of the errors I trash here, but in my opinion he is undoubtedly influenced by some of them. My goal here is to show the logical outcome of such thinking, by use of parody, sarcasm, and turning the tables. If my meaning was difficult to follow in places, it may help to read the above again, keeping this “note” always in mind. From this point on, I again assume a “serious” apologetic posture and express and clarify my actual views.]

I knew it was just a matter of time before your Celtic wit exploded on the list! It seems you have an advanced degree from the Jonathan Swift School of Theological Criticism and Interpersonal Relations :-).

LOLOLOL Sarcasm is a lost art, and one not rarely used in apologetics, as many people deem it ethically unacceptable altogether. Yet Jesus and Paul used it; Chesterton and Muggeridge were masters at it, and even Newman on occasion (notably in his Apologia pro vita Sua). Glad you appreciated it. :-)

I will try to comb out the Swiftian rhetoric and address your real concerns about my approach to reading Scripture. Under that Irish wit is a real wisdom worth speaking to.

Well thanks! I’m glad, too, that you understand that all good satire is at bottom dead-serious (as indeed mine was).

Beneath this sarcasm is a “concern” (in quotes because I know you’re rock-solid in your beliefs about scripture) about the possibility of the evangelists contradicting one another. What you characterize as contradiction I would characterize as diversity.

By definition, diversity is different than contradiction. The writers either contradict each other or not. Of course there are numerous exegetical difficulties, but if one approaches them with hostile critical presuppositions from the outset, the chances of plausibly resolving them diminish.

I claim that the evangelists have a view of Jesus, inspired by the Spirit, that emphasizes different aspects of the personality and nature of Jesus. These views are diverse; they do not contradict one another in any pneumatological or fiduciary manner.

Good (I think). Do they contradict each other in any logical manner? :-) I accept the complementarity of the gospel accounts, and the additional data of Paul, etc. No problem there.

They can be reconciled with one another, but not conflated to draw a picture of a single, “composite” Jesus.

This, to me, sounds like modernism. Please correct me if I am wrong.

There’s probably an excellent point in here somewhere. You seem to want to draw the analogy between the fully human, fully divine Christ, and the text of scripture. I’ve often sensed this analogy myself.

One of my points throughout was that I felt you were emphasizing the Human Nature of Christ too highly over against His Divine Nature, whereas I suspect you think I am doing the opposite. So I argued ironically, and yes, I was making a vague analogy to Scripture, since it is divinely-inspired, yet transmitted by human beings (albeit inspired by the Spirit) and subjected to the very human process of canonization. The orthodox view is that Jesus had both Natures: we mustn’t minimize either; and that Scripture is wholly inspired and infallible (I’m not saying there are no numerical-type minor errors, etc. — I believe the Church would allow for those, and I do myself — but not any doctrinal error in what it affirms).

Dave, you have stated elsewhere that the human nature of Christ does not mitigate His divine nature. I would add the obvious corollary, that His divine nature does not mitigate His human nature.

Of course not; yet He knew the future, both from His Divine Nature, and (according to what I have read) infused knowledge even in His Human Nature. Your assumption that He did not is the heterodox one, and the one which needs to be established and proven. My simple challenge to you is (please pay close attention: this was the main point of my satire/farce):

1. Why do you accept this notion that passages where Jesus foretells the future are not authentic utterances of Jesus?
2. By what criteria do you determine what is authentic and what is not?
3. How does this bear on the inspiration and infallibility of Holy Scripture?
4. What do you do if your pet theologians conflict with the magisterium?
5. Do you yield and submit, or stand your ground and assert that the Church is flat-out wrong and theologian “fashionable Mr. X” is right?

What does ‘later’ mean in the context you use the word? What does ‘addition’ mean? Are you implying that the Apostolic witnesses kept a diary or notebook and referred to it after the Resurrection when “writing” the Gospels? And then, after their deaths, Christian apologists and redactionists edited and added stuff for theological expediency :-)?

I think you can figure out from context (despite all my farcical sarcasm) that I was referring primarily to this business of “inauthentic sayings” of Jesus. In other words, the “later additions” would be those things which indeed are not authentically part of Jesus’ teaching, but added in later by zealous Churchmen seeking to uphold some view in opposition to the real oral Tradition as received and passed down by the Apostles. This is the standard liberal charge.

Wit and wisdom aside Dave, you do not like those whom you’ve labeled “higher critics” do you? :-)

No (glad you figured that out :-). Not (pay close attention) when they apply hostile presuppositions to Holy Scripture and set themselves up as autonomous authorities against Holy Mother Church. I see that you called me a “fundamentalist” in another post. That is a dead give-away and buzzword of modernism. I’m always proud to be called that, if it comes from a modernist. So in my opinion that bodes ill for your ultimate position, if this is how you characterize my position, which I would simply call “orthodox.”

How about a little serious stuff, now?

I hope I have clarified my position sufficiently, and given you the “official” interpretation of my Screwtape-like farce.

I think you’ll find that, while I am indeed influenced by some contemporary theologians and scholars, I am a fairly independent thinker, and quite open-minded,

Yes, but there is independent, and there is independent, if you know what I mean. And there is a type of open-mindedness where (as Chesterton said), one’s brains can fall out. So these vague, almost psycho-babble, “PC” terms must always be carefully defined these days.

You will soon learn that I’m really “all over the place” and do not embrace any one approach to theology.

But what about doctrine and dogma? Do you accept the Church’s dogmas in toto or not?

So long as we remain faithful to the Magisterium, what could go wrong?

Well, that would seem to answer that question, yet I have seen a few things, at least, where you seem to defy the magisterium (Christ’s lack of knowledge; Mary’s concupiscence, the authorship of the Gospels). Concerning the latter, Dei Verbum from Vatican II (V, 18) clearly identifies the four authors, citing St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies in the footnote (III,2,8; cf. III,1,1). Irenaeus clearly states that these four were the authors. So here is an opportunity for you: do you accept the word of this Church Father (d.c. 202), regarding authentic Tradition, or do you rather opt for the opinions of the Higher Critics? It is the received Catholic Tradition (as far as I can tell) that the authors of the four Gospels were Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Fr. John Hardon, e.g., assumes this (Pocket Catholic Dictionary); one of my commentaries assumes it without question. I think it would be easy to locate relevant statements in papal encyclicals and ecumenical councils.

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