{"id":99701,"date":"2026-06-05T11:45:44","date_gmt":"2026-06-05T15:45:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?page_id=99701"},"modified":"2026-06-05T11:50:53","modified_gmt":"2026-06-05T15:50:53","slug":"mass-movements-radical-catholic-reactionaries-the-new-mass-and-ecumenism","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/books-by-dave-armstrong\/mass-movements-radical-catholic-reactionaries-the-new-mass-and-ecumenism","title":{"rendered":"Mass Movements: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, the New Mass, and Ecumenism"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>
\u2190 All Books by Dave Armstrong<\/a> \u00a0\/\u00a0 Radical Catholic Reactionaries vs. Mainstream Catholic \u201cTraditionalists\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n
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Mass Movements: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, the New Mass, and Ecumenism<\/div>\n
Dave Armstrong \u00a0\u00b7\u00a0 Dec. 2012, 205 pages<\/div>\n
ePub \u2014 $9.99<\/a><\/div>\n
print & e-book purchases support Dave\u2019s full-time apologetics work<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
At a glance:<\/b> 205 pages; completed on 20 December 2012 and published at Lulu on the same day; slightly revised on 19 August 2013 (including a new subtitle and some new chapter titles) in order to reflect self-imposed changes in terminology and classification<\/div>\n
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ABOUT THIS BOOK<\/div>\n
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A second book of essays on three connected topics: the distinction between extreme Catholic reactionaries and mainstream traditionalists, the New Mass and its real liturgical abuses, and genuine \u2014 not \u201csilly liberal\u201d \u2014 ecumenism. From a Catholic who loves the Tridentine Latin Mass and worships in a reverent Novus Ordo parish.<\/p>\n

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[205 pages; completed on 20 December 2012 and published at Lulu on the same day; slightly revised on 19 August 2013 (including a new subtitle and some new chapter titles) in order to reflect self-imposed changes in terminology and classification]<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/details>\n<\/div>\n

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TABLE OF CONTENTS<\/div>\n
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Dedication (p. 3) [read online<\/a>] <\/p>\n

Introduction (p. 5) [read online<\/a>]<\/p>\n

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RADICAL CATHOLIC REACTIONARIES vs. MAINSTREAM \u201cTRADITIONALISM\u201d<\/b><\/p>\n

1. Definitions: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, Mainstream \u201cTraditionalists,\u201d and Supposed \u201cNeo-Catholics\u201d (p. 11) [read online<\/a>]<\/p>\n

2. Radical Catholic Reactionary Criticism of Catholic Converts (p. 21)<\/p>\n

3. Cordial, Constructive Dialogue with a Mainstream \u201cTraditionalist\u201d (p. 27)<\/p>\n

4. Reactionaries vs. Catholic Optimism and Indefectibility (p. 57)<\/p>\n

5. Dialogue: Are Vatican II and the New Mass Harmful, in Terms of Drawing in Converts to the Catholic Faith? (p. 61)<\/p>\n

6. Dialogue on Supposed Deficiencies in My Treatment of Reactionaries and \u201cTraditionalists\u201d (p. 65)<\/p>\n

7. Did Pope St. John Paul II Deny the Reality of Hell and\/or Teach Universalism? (p. 75) [read online<\/a>]<\/p>\n

8. Pope St. John Paul II\u2019s Teaching on Marital Submission: Consistent Development or Innovation? (p. 83)<\/p>\n

GENUINE VATICAN II <\/b><\/b>ECUMENISM vs<\/b>. COUNTERFEIT LIBERAL INDIFFERENTISM<\/strong><\/p>\n

9. Apologia for Catholic Ecumenism and Christian Unity (p. 95)<\/p>\n

10. Dialogue on the Necessity of Ecumenism, its Harmony with Apologetics, and St. Paul the Good \u201cVatican II Ecumenist\u201d (p. 99)<\/p>\n

11. Various Thoughts on Salvation \u201cOutside\u201d the Church (p. 123)<\/p>\n

12. Does the Catholic Church Equate Allah and Yahweh? (p. 133)<\/p>\n

13. Dialogue with Several Reactionaries on the \u201cScandal\u201d (?) of Blessed Pope John Paul II Kissing the Koran (p. 137)<\/p>\n

THE TRIDENTINE (EXTRAORDINARY) and PAULINE \/ NOVUS ORDO<\/i> (ORDINARY) FORMS of the LATIN RITE MASS<\/b><\/p>\n

14. Defense of the Mass of Pope St. Paul VI, with Massive Historical Documentation from Catholic Tradition (p. 157)<\/p>\n

15. Dialogue on the Tridentine Mass and Pope Benedict\u2019s 2007 Decree Regarding Wider Availability and Tolerance (p. 185)<\/p>\n

16. Thoughts on Excessive Use of Eucharistic Ministers and My Preference of Receiving Communion from a Priest (p. 197)
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\u2190 All Books by Dave Armstrong \u00a0\/\u00a0 Radical Catholic Reactionaries vs. Mainstream Catholic \u201cTraditionalists\u201d Mass Movements: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, the New Mass, and Ecumenism Dave Armstrong \u00a0\u00b7\u00a0 Dec. 2012, 205 pages ePub \u2014 $9.99 print & e-book purchases support Dave\u2019s full-time apologetics work At a glance: 205 pages; completed on 20 December 2012 and published […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":0,"parent":99551,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-99701","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"yoast_head":"\nMass Movements: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, the New Mass, and Ecumenism - Biblical Evidence for Catholicism<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"← All Books by Dave Armstrong  \/  Radical Catholic Reactionaries vs. Mainstream Catholic \u201cTraditionalists\u201dMass Movements: Radical Catholic\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/books-by-dave-armstrong\/mass-movements-radical-catholic-reactionaries-the-new-mass-and-ecumenism\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Mass Movements: Radical Catholic Reactionaries, the New Mass, and Ecumenism - 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