is<\/em>\u00a0their view? Is David\u00a0saying that they are left-of-center or that their political views transcend the entire left-right schema for categorizing political views?<\/p>\nI\u2019m certainly one of the more \u201cconservative\u201d bloggers here, but my own views by no means fit into the one-size fits-all caricatures of what conservatives or Republicans are supposed to be. For one thing, I\u2019m a distributist.<\/p>\n
I don\u2019t see myself or my views at all in Mark Shea\u2019s ubiquitous raving about conservatives and pro-lifers (he has started habitually putting the latter description in quotation marks, in derision): such as his gem yesterday [under David\u2019s post]: \u201cconservatives have lost their freaking minds.\u201d<\/p>\n
I would say that my impression (I\u2019ve been a writer here since August 2015, and one of the persons mentioned in David\u2019s\u00a0list of Patheos<\/em> bloggers in his post) is that the posts as a whole are far more devoted to political and\/or socio-economic topics than they are to theology per se (not to deny<\/em> that there is overlap<\/em>; but a post about, say, transubstantiation, is generally not \u201cpolitical\u201d).<\/p>\nThat doesn\u2019t necessarily reflect at all (one way or the other) upon the theological orthodoxy of the Patheos<\/em> writers. Theological liberalism and political liberalism are two different things. One sort of liberal is not always the other, though there is significant correlation. Bottom line: it simply means that that is what Patheos<\/em> writers tend to write about. I know this because I am regularly checking out the \u201cTrending\u201d posts.<\/p>\nI don\u2019t know<\/em> who (at Patheos<\/em>) is theologically orthodox or not. I assume they are orthodox. I don\u2019t judge. I\u2019m too busy doing my own writing, anyway. I haven\u2019t seen any particular evidence that I recall, indicating that someone is not, or is a rank heretic or whatever.<\/p>\nI would only note that conservatives are often criticized (here and elsewhere) as supposedly being \u201cmore Republican than Catholic.\u201d Well, one way of verifying that is to look at what topics a writer devotes himself to<\/em>. It seems to me that the more politically liberal writers here that I am aware of, spend far<\/em> more time, proportionately, writing about traditionally \u201cliberal\u201d political topics or points of views or emphases (over against purely theological topics), than the conservatives spend writing about pro-life or traditionally \u201cconservative\u201d topics and emphases.<\/p>\nSo what does that<\/em> suggest? I think it largely overthrows the criticism towards those in my general \u201ccamp.\u201d If we really were<\/em>\u00a0\u201cmore Republican than Catholic\u201d then we would write far more about those political topics than about theology, or apologetics (my own field). But I don\u2019t see that we are doing that.<\/p>\nI sure see Catholic political liberals, however, writing (or so it seems) far more about political and\/or socio-economic topics than about theology and the faith per se. Thus, if the charge is to be made: \u201cmore Republican \/ Democrat \/ left \/ right than Catholic,\u201d it fits the political liberals much more so, at least by this<\/em>\u00a0criterion. But I don\u2019t make the charge myself. I\u2019m merely engaging in a rhetorical turn-the-tables retort.<\/p>\nI have noted that I have on my blog exactly four posts that I wrote about President Obama during his eight-year term in office. Compare that with how often President Trump is written about and excoriated.<\/p>\n
I would say also that we political conservatives have long observed that for many of the more committed, zealous political liberals, liberalism seems to be their religion. I think that viewpoint and outlook has crept into Catholic circles to a significant extent. Since liberalism in the larger culture is becoming more and more secular all the time, maintaining such a political stance (held by a Christian) carries the danger of being subject to a creeping secularism (often with the person being unaware of this happening).<\/p>\n
Following up on that: quite often when I see Catholic liberals writing about political topics, I see relatively little to distinguish their argumentation from mainstream secular liberalism. To me, they seem to think in largely the same ways, so that, for example, the Catholic liberal pro-lifer, or \u201cNew Pro-Life\u201d person (as they call themselves) often make arguments about abortion that are, in my mind, virtually identical to arguments routinely made by secular so-called \u201cpro-choice\u201d people.<\/p>\n
As a specific example of that, we hear the constant drumbeat now of New Pro-Lifers claiming that us old pro-lifers (I was arrested five times in the Operation Rescue movement over 27 years ago) are insufficiently concerned about the plight of women with problem pregnancies or babies after they are born. I know this, as a veteran of the movement, to be absolutely untrue, but my present point is that, in so arguing, the New Pro-Lifer thinks and polemicizes in a way that is precisely identical to what pro-abortionist critics of pro-lifers have said since 1973.<\/p>\n
That, in turn, is dangerously close to potentially being a \u201cuseful idiot\u201d for the pro-abortion \/ Planned Parenthood movement, since it is the parroting of an untruth that they say about us.<\/p>\n
For my part, I don\u2019t judge the hearts or motivations of the New Pro-Lifers. I just think that, too often, they are excessively naive or know little (factually and\/or philosophically) concerning what they are talking about. And their frequent criticism (in my opinion, mostly unjust and unfair criticism) of fellow pro-lifers, divides the flock and this important \u00a0socio-political group in ways that give solace only to the Enemy (i.e., Satan). I know that they don\u2019t intend<\/em> it that way but I believe that is the result. The old \u201cdivide and conquer\u201d routine . . .<\/p>\nAnyway: just a few observations from a conservative, pro-life Catholic who writes mostly apologetics at Patheos<\/em>, but who also delves into other topics on occasion.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"[PublicDomainPictures.Net \/ CC0 public domain] ***** Fellow Patheos writer David Russell Mosley wrote in his thoughtful piece, \u201cIs Patheos Catholic Liberal?\u201d (4-1-17): \u00a0\u201cMany of the authors who write about politics at Patheos Catholic do not come from a politically \u2018conservative\u2019 point of view.\u201d Precisely. The question is: what is\u00a0their view? Is David\u00a0saying that they are […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":10829,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[289],"tags":[3628,3052,400,481,1015,3136,3137,3135,1021,3633,3054,1830,1903,353,1023,3629,3813,3814,3630,1680,3134,1062,1829,345,350,3631,3051,3632],"class_list":["post-10827","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-political-ethical-moral-issues","tag-america-first","tag-american-culture","tag-anti-traditionalism","tag-capitalism","tag-catholic-social-teaching","tag-christian-civilization","tag-christian-culture","tag-civilization","tag-conservatism","tag-corporate-capitalism","tag-culture-wars","tag-democrat-party","tag-distributism","tag-liberalism","tag-libertarianism","tag-nationalism","tag-patheos","tag-patheos-bloggers","tag-patriotism","tag-rebellion-against-god","tag-rejection-of-christianity","tag-rejection-of-god","tag-republican-party","tag-secularism","tag-secularization","tag-social-justice","tag-solidarity","tag-subsidiarism"],"yoast_head":"\n
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