2 Samuel 1:11-12<\/b><\/span>\u00a0Then David took hold of his clothes, and rent them; and so did all the men who were with him; [12] and they mourned and wept and\u00a0fasted<\/b>\u00a0until evening\u00a0for<\/i>\u00a0Saul and\u00a0for<\/i>\u00a0Jonathan<\/b>\u00a0his son and\u00a0for<\/b><\/i>\u00a0the people of the LORD and\u00a0for<\/b><\/i>\u00a0the house of Israel,\u00a0because they had fallen by the sword<\/b>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\nIn 2 Samuel 12:23 (a conceivable counter-argument), King David stops fasting after his son died, but\u00a0not<\/i>\u00a0because the dead can\u2019t be aided by prayer and fasting; rather, it was because fasting couldn\u2019t restore him to\u00a0life<\/i>, as he states: \u201cBut now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him\u00a0back<\/i>\u00a0again?\u201d<\/p>\n
This actually reinforces my present argument, based on the word \u201cfor,\u201d since David\u2019s servants say to him, \u201cYou fasted and wept\u00a0for<\/i>\u00a0the child while it was alive\u201d (2 Sam 12:21). The object was to aid the child: to save his life. Somehow, David hoped, his fasting would spare his son.<\/p>\n
When we get to 2 Samuel 1:12, the text states four times: \u201cfasted<\/i>\u00a0. . .\u00a0for<\/i>\u00a0Saul and\u00a0for\u00a0<\/i>Jonathan . . .\u00a0for<\/i>\u00a0the people of the LORD . . .\u00a0for<\/i>\u00a0the house of Israel\u201d: all of which was directed towards those who \u201chad fallen by the sword.\u201d Therefore, by simple grammar and the meaning of words (the same as in the phrase, \u201cprayed for\u201d), it means that they thought that the dead could be aided by such fasting: the same as praying for them: one person does an act by which another can be helped.<\/p>\n
In Esther, we also find the notion that fasting for someone else can help them (much like intercessory prayer):<\/p>\n
Esther 4:16<\/strong><\/span>\u00a0\u201cGo, gather all the Jews to be found in Susa, and hold a fast on my behalf, and neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day. I and my maids will also fast as you do. Then I will go to the king, though it is against the law; and if I perish, I perish.\u201d<\/p>\n\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 * * * * *<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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