Godless in Dixie<\/em>:\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nPlease note that\u00a0Godless in Dixie<\/em>\u00a0is written by a former Christian, is moderated by former Christians, and is directed for the most part toward former Christians, atheists, or people that want to gain a better understanding of former Christians or atheists.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n***<\/p>\n
. . . discussions on apologetics aren\u2019t usually about searching for the truth, which is the occupation of the skeptic. They are about protecting what one believes from outside assault.<\/span><\/p>\nThis is not exclusive to Christians, either. All of us who think seriously at all about life and what is true and untrue, come to conclusions that we hold to be true. We continue to hold them unless and until we are confronted with facts or reasoning that overthrows our beliefs: in particular or as a whole. If we are subjected to enough of these \u201canomalies\u201d then we may undergo a Kuhnian paradigm shift and change our worldview. <\/span><\/p>\nI did this twice in my own life, in religious matters: converting from \u201cpractical atheism\u201d to evangelicalism in 1977 and then to Catholicism in 1990. I have also undergone major changes in various moral and political views. That is, if we are intellectually honest, we may very well come across perspectives that cause us to change our minds. But if we become prideful and think we can never learn anything, then we will be impervious to any such influences. That applies just as much to atheists as it does to Christians, because it has to do with human stubbornness and pride.<\/span><\/p>\nI\u2019m not interested in the article\u2019s critique of a piece by Protestant apologist Greg Koukl. He may have done a good or a bad job, and there are better and worse techniques and schools of apologetics. I\u2019m interested in the general point I am highlighting, and in showing that, sociologically, Christians and atheists (both being human beings) are very much alike in this regard.<\/span><\/p>\nMy chief purpose in writing my review was to show that the usual injunctions which Christians find so persuasive just aren\u2019t very meaningful to us<\/strong><\/em>. They\u2019re not effective. They may \u201cwork\u201d on believers but they don\u2019t work on us.<\/span><\/p>\nThat\u2019s right, and it is the same in the other direction. I\u2019ve wrangled with atheists on a number of topics, and have been uniformly unimpressed by their arguments. The worst of all are atheist attempts at biblical exegesis. It\u2019s so patently obvious that they have no idea what they are talking about, yet they are unaware of it, and casually assume that they are the experts on the Bible and its interpretation, while those of us, like myself, who have intensely studied it for 40 years are out to sea (so they tell us).<\/span><\/p>\nI habitually try to truly take atheist concerns seriously enough to interact and engage them in depth, but atheists almost always aren\u2019t interested, as soon as disagreement occurs. They\u2019d rather (my frequent impression, anyway) deal with ignorant Christians, so they can pretend that they represent all of Christianity, which they can then dismiss, as if the worst representatives of a viewpoint accurately convey it. In logic, we call that a straw man.<\/span><\/p>\nI\u2019d love to have an ongoing<\/em> discussion \u2014 in mutual respect, and hopefully within an eventual friendship \u2014 with an atheist who is interested in serious, honest, probing, civil dialogue with a Christian. I keep hoping.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"I’ve been actively studying and sharing Christian apologetics for 36 years and have been a full-time Catholic apologist since 2001, so I think I have a few insights to add to this discussion. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":12552,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[124],"tags":[267,2347,258,329,328,1459,1460,1458,1410,1457,4103,119,1456,4104,253,1455,1287,4102],"class_list":["post-12551","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atheism-agnosticism","tag-agnosticism","tag-apologetics","tag-atheism","tag-christian-apologetics","tag-epistemology","tag-fables","tag-fairy-tales","tag-legends","tag-mythicism","tag-myths","tag-paradigm-shifts","tag-philosophy-of-religion","tag-science-christianity","tag-self-justification","tag-theistic-arguments","tag-theistic-philosophy","tag-thomas-kuhn","tag-worldviews"],"yoast_head":"\n
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