{"id":15135,"date":"2018-01-08T13:12:07","date_gmt":"2018-01-08T17:12:07","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=15135"},"modified":"2018-01-08T14:32:26","modified_gmt":"2018-01-08T18:32:26","slug":"now-im-radical-feminist-anti-catholic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/01\/now-im-radical-feminist-anti-catholic.html","title":{"rendered":"Now I’m a Radical Feminist and an Anti-Catholic?!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

\"AngryMan10\"<\/p>\n

I am\u00a0characterized as \u201canti-male, anti-family, anti-Catholic feminist\u201d in this bizarre \u201cdiscussion\u201d.<\/p>\n

Just when I think I have been called every conceivable, imaginable name and epithet, here comes someone else to up the ante! It is entertaining, at least, as well as exasperating.<\/p>\n

It all started when I made a simple comment underneath a post on the blog of Rebecca Bratten Weiss<\/a>, actually by guest contributor H. Lillian Vogl. The premise and central theme of the article was simple: men should defend women when the opportunity arises:<\/p>\n

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There\u2019s one thing you\u00a0can<\/em>\u00a0do for us, that we can\u2019t always do for ourselves: speak up for us when we are being insulted, libeled, or belittled. If we defend ourselves against these attacks, we are often just labeled \u201cdefensive\u201d- and that is used as evidence of our supposed deficiency. . . .<\/p>\n

You have the power to affirm and amplify the value of a woman\u2019s voice or reputation. If you use it, we will respect you for it, because we are tired of being objectified and infantilized by other men while our attempts to fight back are ignored or, worse, used against us. Don\u2019t be that guy who puts us down; be the one who defends our dignity.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Now, of course, I may disagree with Lillian on any number of issues, just as I do with Rebecca (while remaining friends). That\u2019s a given. But according to some folks, this isn\u2019t possible. If you agree about anything with someone who is in a different \u201ccategory\u201d or \u201cbox\u201d this proves that you are clones,\u00a0in complete agreement on absolutely every issue.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s the world we live in today. I operate from the premise that \u201ctruth is truth wherever it is found.\u201d And I am happy to find agreement with anyone, because that means we have more in common and are more likely to successfully communicate and to have good relations. So I ventured onto the site and made the first comment: \u201cExcellent advice indeed!\u201d<\/p>\n

This brought out an anonymous simpleton who took it upon himself to come after me. His words will be in blue<\/span>:<\/p>\n

How can you think that\u2019s good advice? She\u2019s a feminist with zero respect for men qua men. She only respects men in exactly the same way she respects women. She thinks men are identical to women and it\u2019s only \u201cprivilege\u201d that makes them distinct.<\/span><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know if that\u2019s true or not (have no idea), but regardless, I don\u2019t see how it is a bad thing to defend someone being unfairly attacked. I try to do that for both men and women. It\u2019s utterly irrelevant to me what gender they are. It\u2019s a matter of ethical principle. If a man would do that less for a woman,\u00a0just because<\/i>\u00a0she is a woman, then that stinks to high heaven, and is prejudice.<\/p>\n

What do you mean? She uses this article to degrade the entire male sex. If that\u2019s not an unfair and false attack, then what is?<\/span><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t see how. I think we live in alternate universes.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s entirely possible. But you don\u2019t see how holding and promoting a belief that men and women are identical apart from unjust privilege is false and unfair?<\/span><\/p>\n

I think they\u2019re equal but different (complementary).\u00a0This<\/em> article didn\u2019t seem to me to suggest otherwise. What it\u00a0did<\/em> assert, I agreed with.<\/span><\/p>\n

Judging only by this article the author believes men and women are identical apart from unjust privilege and physical size and strength. That\u2019s a totally conventional feminist belief, so I guess the universe you live in is feminist.<\/span><\/p>\n

Here\u2019s an example of her saying men and women are identical apart from unjust privilege. She actually believes women who claim sexual assault should be believed without due process which is I suppose a privilege she desires for women:<\/span><\/p>\n

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There\u2019s a whole set of social structures that exist to silence and discredit us.\u00a0This is why, realistically, we do need male allies. As a man, you are privileged to be able to contradict another man without being dismissed as \u201cdisrespectful,\u201d \u201cshrill,\u201d or \u201cdefensive.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

How are men and women equal apart from human dignity, which is the same reason a man is equal to a zygote.<\/span><\/p>\n

Here\u2019s another example:<\/span><\/p>\n

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You have the power to affirm and amplify the value of a woman\u2019s voice or reputation. If you use it, we will respect you for it, because we are tired of being objectified and infantilized by other men while our attempts to fight back are ignored or, worse, used against us. Don\u2019t be that guy who puts us down; be the one who defends our dignity.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n

Those things are true. I\u2019m not a radical unisex feminist at all. I\u2019m quite conservative (as Rebecca can verify!). But there are various things expressed by more moderate, Christian feminists that are true, and that\u2019s what I saw here. Partial agreement doesn\u2019t mean complete agreement. I\u2019ve been critiquing radical \/ secularist \/ pro-abortion feminism for 35 years.<\/p>\n

This is how I view Rebecca\u2019s thought, too. There\u00a0are many things she says that I think are articulated well, and profoundly true. She has a lot of insight. Other things I thoroughly disagree with.<\/p>\n

There is a great deal of inequality towards women and they have been treated quite badly by men, who have (as always) much more institutional and societal power. I\u2019ve always believed that, no matter what box you try to put me into. And I do because it\u2019s self-evident and unarguable.<\/p>\n

Why this is, and what to do about it can be disagreed upon (and I would have some big disagreements with the author and Rebecca, but agreements, too.). But as to the basic existing problem, I agree.<\/p>\n

It\u2019s clear to me you\u2019re saying the exact same thing that she is, that men and women are identical apart from unjust privilege. But if you\u2019re not could you explain briefly the rights of men qua men and the duties of women toward them in the public square? Unless you think they\u2019re the same so their rights and duties are the same.<\/span><\/p>\n

There it is. The inevitable silence of the well-intentioned, anti-male, anti-family, anti-Catholic feminist writer.<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m not in the habit of continuing discussions with anonymous fools who lie about my positions and myself. I\u2019m \u201canti-male, anti-family, anti-Catholic\u201d huh? A professional Catholic apologist for 16 years who is anti-Catholic! Now I have seen everything, and (as Scrooge said) \u201cI\u2019ll retire to Bedlam.\u201d<\/p>\n

You obviously don\u2019t know\u00a0the slightest thing about me: what I\u2019ve written about, my positions on issues, my history. It\u2019s not rocket science. I have more than 2000 articles online.<\/p>\n

Nice try. You went silent prior to that comment. I know everything about your conventional feminist beliefs.<\/span><\/p>\n

Theoretically, you could just answer the question. The reason you can\u2019t is that you\u2019re a conventional feminist who believes men and women are identical apart from unjust privilege.<\/span><\/p>\n

And, to be unnecessarily transparent, the reason you are anti-catholic is that you\u2019re anti-family, the family being the cell of the Church, and the reason you\u2019re anti-family is that you\u2019re anti-male, men being the pillar of the family and the reason you\u2019re anti-male is that you believe men and women are identical apart from unjust privilege.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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