{"id":16439,"date":"2018-03-05T14:30:53","date_gmt":"2018-03-05T18:30:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=16439"},"modified":"2018-03-05T16:23:09","modified_gmt":"2018-03-05T20:23:09","slug":"sinning-christians-catholic-vs-protestant-approaches","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/03\/sinning-christians-catholic-vs-protestant-approaches.html","title":{"rendered":"Sinning Christians: Catholic vs. Protestant Approaches"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-16538 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2018\/03\/JesusSinner.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"569\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Reply to a longtime Protestant friend who has made some comments about goings-on in the Catholic Church.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>1) There will always be sinners in the Church (see Corinthians, Galatians, seven \u201cchurches\u201d of Revelation).<\/p>\n<p>2) Protestants institutionalize sin by making it all of a sudden permissible and fine and dandy, in documents and explanations of \u201cWhat we believe\u201d etc. Catholics do not (though we assuredly have just as many hypocrites in our ranks). At least we know that the Catholic Church will always be against abortion, practicing homosexuality, divorce, fornication, contraception [opposed by<em> all<\/em> Christians until 1930], and all the rest, while all the mainline Protestant denominations have caved, and even the evangelicals slowly compromise as time goes on. That\u2019s the difference, and it\u2019s a major reason why I\u2019m a Catholic: apostolic moral teaching.<\/p>\n<p>3) Thus far, I have seen no official Catholic document that requires me to accept a sin as fine and dandy. If I ever do see that, then I\u2019ll reconsider my affiliation with Catholicism. But unless and until that happens, I haven\u2019t found any other Christian group that preserves the entire biblical and apostolic morality and theology intact <strong><em>in its teachings<\/em><\/strong>. Therefore, I\u2019m a Catholic, since that to me suggests that it is indeed the One True Church. The hatred we are subjected to also is evidence of the same thing (\u201cyou will be hated by all for My name\u2019s sake\u201d).<\/p>\n<p>You mentioned fornicators at [an old non-denom church I attended]. It\u2019s a very sad story. That included two elders, who both left their wives. This was indeed a major factor in the pastor becoming a Catholic. And why was that? Because he has told the story about how one of these \u201celders\u201d simply went over to a large evangelical church of another denomination (you would know it if I named it), and was accepted as a teacher there. The pastor went and told the pastor of the other church about the man\u2019s history of adultery. It didn\u2019t matter. He was still allowed to teach. So there is no discipline in Protestantism that can \u201chold\u201d because of the ability to up and leave and go somewhere else and start over.<\/p>\n<p><em>That<\/em> is what Protestantism too often enables: you don\u2019t like something or other in one church, or have been rebuked for sin (as in this instance?): you simply go to another place, or even start one of your own.<\/p>\n<p>Catholics still have, of course, corrupt priests who are pederasts or what-not, but what we do <em>not<\/em> have is a change in our teaching that sodomy and pederasty (or any other serious sins) are mortal sins, leading to hell if not repented-of. Far too many Protestants, on the other hand, are now institutionalizing sodomy as an alternate form of \u201cmarriage\u201d and \u201cordaining\u201d people who do these wicked things. They call evil good. And they do because they no longer care about biblical teaching or apostolic practice and teaching.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>(originally 8-10-17)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:\u00a0<\/strong><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>Christ and Sinner<\/em> (1875: portion), by\u00a0Henryk Siemiradzki (1843-1902)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Semiradsky_Christ_and_Sinner.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Reply to a longtime Protestant friend who has made some comments about goings-on in the Catholic Church. *** 1) There will always be sinners in the Church (see Corinthians, Galatians, seven \u201cchurches\u201d of Revelation). 2) Protestants institutionalize sin by making it all of a sudden permissible and fine and dandy, in documents and explanations of [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":16538,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[230],"tags":[1638,1001,1445,1635,74,1636,1639,72,963,325,1637],"class_list":["post-16439","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-inquisition-crusades-scandals","tag-lefebvrism","tag-pope-benedict-xvi","tag-quasi-schismatic","tag-rad-trad","tag-radical-catholic-reactionaries","tag-radical-traditionalists","tag-radtrad","tag-rigorism","tag-robert-sungenis","tag-sspx","tag-ultra-traditionalism"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Sinning Christians: Catholic vs. Protestant Approaches<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"I have seen no official Catholic document that requires me to accept a sin or sinning as fine and dandy. 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