{"id":186,"date":"2013-10-28T11:17:00","date_gmt":"2013-10-28T11:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/10\/introduction-to-dave-armstrongs-book-debating-james-white-shocking-failures-of-the-undefeatable-anti-catholic-champion.html"},"modified":"2017-05-25T19:31:15","modified_gmt":"2017-05-25T23:31:15","slug":"introduction-to-dave-armstrongs-book-debating-james-white-shocking-failures-of-the-undefeatable-anti-catholic-champion","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/10\/introduction-to-dave-armstrongs-book-debating-james-white-shocking-failures-of-the-undefeatable-anti-catholic-champion.html","title":{"rendered":"Introduction to Dave Armstrong&#8217;s Book, &#8220;Debating James White&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2013\/10\/Cover-555-x-838.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-3848 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2013\/10\/Cover-555-x-838.jpg\" alt=\"Cover (555 x 838)\" width=\"555\" height=\"838\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p>(10-28-13)<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">An <i>anti-Catholic<\/i>\u2013 in scholarly usage \u2013 is not merely a person who differs with Catholicism. Nor does it refer to someone who \u201chates\u201d Catholics or opposes all things Catholic simply because they are Catholic. And it doesn\u2019t refer to emotions or opposition to individuals, but rather, to Catholic theology.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The anti-Catholic is one who thinks that Catholicism is not a Christian system of theology and that to be a good Christian and get saved, one must be a <i>bad\u00a0<\/i>Catholic; that is, reject several tenets of Catholicism that differ with Protestantism; or in the case of Orthodox anti-Catholics, with Orthodoxy.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">But first let me introduce the man who is the subject of this book. James White (b. 1962) is a Reformed Baptist apologist, author, public speaker and debater, and elder at his church. He does many other things in his apologetics besides oppose Catholic theology, and many of these are good and worthwhile endeavors; for example, his critiques of Islam (his recent emphasis), the King James Only viewpoint, theological liberalism, <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormonism<\/a>, and atheism.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">By and large, in dealing with these topics, he does a good job, in my opinion, and I have often publicly commended him for it. When it comes to Catholicism, on the other hand, it\u2019s quite a different story. In that domain he falls into the typical (and rather outrageous) errors of anti-Catholic thought.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Mr. White is the founder and director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, which began in 1983. In 1990 he started concentrating on critiquing Catholicism, and produced his first two books on the topic: <i>The Fatal Flaw<\/i>, and <i>Answers to Catholic Claims<\/i> (both by Crowne Publications: 1990). His other books (out of 26) that are devoted wholly or largely to Catholicism, include <i>The Roman Catholic Controversy<\/i> (1996), <i>Mary \u2013 Another Redeemer?<\/i> (1998), <i>The God Who Justifies\u00a0<\/i>(2001), and <i>Scripture Alone<\/i> (2004): all published by Bethany House.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">White obtained an M.A. Degree in theology from Fuller Theological seminary in 1989. During the mid-90s as the Internet began to flourish, he began devoting a lot of time and energy to that medium, and he started his weekly webcast, <i>The Dividing Line<\/i>, in September 1998. It often deals with Catholicism. He developed a website and blog, with voluminous writings, as well.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">He is probably most known (and renowned) for his formal oral debates. According to his website he has done 117 of these, starting in August 1990, including 38 devoted to various Catholic beliefs: or 32% of all his debates. He engaged in more than one debate with apologists such as Fr. Mitch Pacwa (five), Robert Fastiggi (four), Tim Staples (three), and Patrick Madrid (two).<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">White also has challenged me to oral debate on three occasions: 1995, 2001, and 2007. Thus, he averages a request every six years (even though \u2013 oddly enough \u2013 he constantly asserts that I am a profound imbecile and ignoramus in theological and exegetical matters), and is due to ask me again before this year is out. Perhaps this book will be the impetus.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">My answer was the same in every instance: I regard oral debates as vastly inferior to written debate and I don\u2019t cultivate public speaking, in any event. I note that White is also a writer, whereas I am a writer only, so that the written medium is where we could and should best interact: the common ground.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u201cDebating\u201d in the title of this volume is especially apt, as it highlights how Mr. White views himself and how he \u2013 by all appearances \u2013 especially wants to be known. I love debate and dialogue, myself, as a longtime socratic and apologist. Christian apologists (defenders of the faith: in either its Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox forms) certainly debate; if they don\u2019t, they are surely not apologists worth their salt.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The question at hand, however, is how to <i>define<\/i> a debate, what one\u2019s <i>intentions\u00a0<\/i>are in undertaking one, and whether the <i>truth<\/i> is being defended while debating.<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\">\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Mr. White engages in habitual \u201cboilerplate\u201d regarding his debates and those who (for whatever reason) decline to participate in them with him. One very common theme is his notion that writers \u201chide behind their keyboards\u201d \u2013 they are (he thinks) intellectual cowards and scared to death to face him \u2014 the Terrifying and Unanswerable Scourge of Catholics \u2013 behind a podium in a public oral debate. Here are three examples:<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-indent: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr. Stauffer: Brave Behind the Keyboard, Unwilling to Defend His Assertions (article title: 3-25-06 on his blog)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">. . . Armstrong continues to refuse to debate man to man in person, and wishes only to hide behind his keyboard where he knows that no one, and I mean no one, can possibly force him to answer a direct question. As long as you can use the written forum, you can avoid the very essence of debate, the heart of debate, which is answering direct questions that test your position for consistency. Armstrong knows he is simply constitutionally incapable of the task, but he refuses to admit it, opting instead for this kind of rhetoric. (7-12-07 on his blog)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">There are far too many folks who hide behind a keyboard on web forums . . . (2-3-09 on his blog)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Mr. White\u2019s typical treatment of yours truly (since 1995) is clearly observed above. I will try as much as is possible in this book to avoid documenting his constant juvenile and sub-Christian resort to personal insult, so as not to afflict readers with silly tedium (I wish to stick solely to theological issues). But removing White\u2019s ubiquitous insults of his Catholic opponents in written records is very often about as easy as removing the white stripe from a candy cane: it\u2019s so intermingled as to be impossible to extricate from the substance. I\u2019ll do my best!\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">The other frequent and annoying theme with regard to Mr. White\u2019s debates and his \u201cspin\u201d about them, is the notion that when an oral debate <i>did<\/i> occur and the other party didn\u2019t make it available in his venue, this \u201cproves\u201d a tacit admission of defeat. Here\u2019s an absolutely classic instance of that polemic, from a website article (9-18-00) reprinted on 12-28-12 on his blog:<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">I have seen my opponents use many tactics to cover over poor performances in debates. You will find documented on this website at least one imaginative approach taken by <\/span><i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Catholic Answers<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> back in 1993 when Patrick Madrid attempted to do damage control after our <\/span><i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">sola scriptura <\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">debate in San Diego by writing \u201cThe White Man\u2019s Burden\u201d in <\/span><i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">This Rock\u00a0<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">magazine . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> But never before have we seen such complete and utter admission of defeat than we are seeing from <\/span><i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">St. Joseph Communications<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> regarding the July debate with Tim Staples on Papal Infallibility in Fullerton, California . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> . . . we have learned that <\/span><i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Saint Joseph\u2019s<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">is still not selling the audio tapes of the debate, and that more than two months after the encounter. We have been making the tapes available since the week after the debate. We made it available as soon as we possibly could. . . . you cannot, as of today (September 18th, 2000), order the debate from <\/span><i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">Saint Joseph\u2019s<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-size: small;\">. Why not?<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Of course, White has never ever linked to our own first lengthy 1995 \u201cpostal debate.\u201d He gave me permission to post it on my website, but he has never linked to it. Thus, if we follow his reasoning above, how is that <i>not <\/i>an admission that he lost the debate (especially given the fact that he left my final 36-page single-spaced response utterly unanswered)? Otherwise, why wouldn\u2019t he encourage folks read our exchange, so they can see how marvelously he allegedly did and how miserably I did?<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">White would respond that our exchange was not a debate in the first place, because it wasn\u2019t moderated or live in front of an audience. It would be tough to argue with a straight face that a debate must <i>always<\/i> be oral and can never be in writing. That would take out, for example, many of the famous debates in the 16th century between Catholics and Protestants, such as those between Erasmus and Martin Luther, or John Calvin and Cardinal Sadoleto. It would also entail the absurd position that the ancient philosopher Plato wrote no dialogues or debates (often reconstructions of the great Socrates engaging in dialogue).<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">For my part, I have had a consistent track record in favor of written, point-by-point exchanges where two parties seriously <i>interact<\/i> with each other and engage in several rounds of back-and-forth response. I have participated in well over 700 of these on my blog and earlier website, since 1996 when I first went online. I wrote at length about the relative merits of oral and written debate in a website paper dated January 2001:<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is said that in a public, oral debate, obfuscation, or \u201cmuddying the waters\u201d is minimized by the other person\u2019s ability to correct errors immediately, and to \u201ccall\u201d the opponent on this, that, or the other fact or argument. But this assumes that immediate, spur-of-the-moment corrections are more compelling than a correction which resulted from hours of careful research with primary sources, Scripture, etc.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is said that live oral debates are a better use of time; that things can be said quicker than they can in writing. But I respond that truth takes time to find and communicate. Propaganda, on the other hand (such as the norm of today\u2019s political rhetoric) is very easy to quickly spout. Evangelicalism lends itself far more easily to shallow rhetoric and slogans; Catholicism does not. It is complex, nuanced, and requires much thought and study. And thought takes time, no matter how you slice the cake. Again, truth and the acquisition of knowledge and wisdom requires time.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is claimed that there is more interest in oral public debates. I\u2019m not so sure about that, especially with the advent of the Internet, but perhaps this is true. In any event, that has no bearing on my own objections. It is not public debate per se I am opposed to, but the perversion of it by unworthy tactics and methods, which is the usual result when one is dealing with anti-Catholics. So I am actually supporting what I consider to be true debate, not the pale imitations of it which pass for \u201cdebates.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is asserted that it\u2019s harder to get away with lies and half-truths in the public arena. Quite the contrary, I would maintain; it is much easier to disinform and misinform, because one can put up an appearance of confidence and truth very easily, through rhetorical technique, catch-phrases, cleverness, playing to the crowd, etc. These things are by no means as \u201ccertain\u201d as avid proponents of oral debate make them out to be.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">It is stated (by anti-Catholics) that Catholics don\u2019t fare well in public oral debates. Under my thesis, I could readily agree with that. It is true that the Catholic faith is not conducive to an environment where sophistical carnival-barker, used-car salesman types try to distort, twist, and misrepresent it at every turn (and this need not be <i>deliberate<\/i> at all: it matters not \u2014 the end result is the same).<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\">In an earlier paper (11-27-00) I wrote:<\/div>\n<div class=\"western\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">The Catholic position is not well-presented at such \u201cdebates\u201d (i.e., public, oratorical ones) because it is complex, highly interrelated, and (in its complexity, spiritual profundity, and inner logic) much more a \u201cthinking man\u2019s religion\u201d than Protestantism is. Presenting such an outlook can\u2019t very easily be done in a time-limited debate where our opponent is playing the audience like a carnival barker or a dishonest politician. It <\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><i>can\u00a0<\/i><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\">be done in a book or a lengthy article, or in a website which deals with <\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><i>all\u00a0<\/i><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\">the interrelated topics (or at least links to them), so that the inquirer can learn how they are thoroughly biblical, coherent, and true to history (and development of doctrine is also another huge and crucial, necessary factor not easily summarized or even understood by many).<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"> Again, it has to do with the complexity and interrelatedness of the Catholic position, and the difficulty in promulgating it in sound-bytes, as is the case in so many brands of evangelicalism. Websites are uniquely designed to teach the faith, if this complexity is granted (with the technology of links). I think the only near-equivalent to this in live debate would be a series of debates, one after the other, so that the faith can be seen in its many dimensions and in its marvelous cohesiveness: what I would call a \u201ccumulative apologetic argument.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"> In a debate about papal infallibility, for instance, it would be necessary to also have debates on apostolic succession, episcopacy, the nature of the Church, indefectibility, the nature of authority, NT teaching on Tradition, development of doctrine, the self-defeating nature of <\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><i>sola Scriptura<\/i><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\">, etc. I don\u2019t think the average Protestant has any hope of understanding papal infallibility (and \u201cproblems\u201d like the Honorius case) without <\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><i>some\u00a0<\/i><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\">knowledge of these other <\/span>presuppositional issues.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> In short, then,<span style=\"color: black;\"> I think that any number of Catholic apologists could and would win such a debate on content (because our argument is true, and many apologists could convincingly present it), yet \u201close\u201d it in terms of impact on the audience, and in terms of the difficulty of persuading even those fair-minded or predisposed to be convinced of our side. We should take before and after surveys of people who attend these \u201cdebates\u201d to see whether what I suspect is true or not (and make it a condition of the debate).<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">\u00a0<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"> If we must debate these sophists and cynically clever men, at least we need to make sure they have to also defend <\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><i>their <\/i><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\">position and not just run ours down with the standard, garden-variety anti-Catholic gibberish, bolstered with \u201cquasi-facts\u201d and half-truths presented in a warped, distorted fashion. Those who don\u2019t know any better will always be taken in by those tactics (which is exactly why anti-Catholics continue to use them, consciously or not).<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">\u00a0<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"> Most public debate formats will not allow a fair exchange to occur, due to complexity of subject matter, and the stacked deck which requires us to defend complex truths, while the anti-Catholic escapes his responsibility of defending the generally unexamined absurdities and self-contradictions of his own position. Many anti-Catholics are never, ever willing to defend their own view beyond the usual trivial, sloganistic, sarcastic jibes.<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">\u00a0<\/span> <\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-bottom: 0.2in; margin-left: 0.5in;\"><span style=\"color: black;\">It depends in large part on how one defines \u201cdebate\u201d or being \u201cgood at it.\u201d If by that is meant that a person is able to be quick on his feet and offer both objections and answers; sure, many anti-Catholics are (especially the more educated ones). If, however, one means by being a good debater, being honest with the facts and honestly dealing with one\u2019s opponents best shots, most professional anti-Catholics are atrocious. <\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\"> These are my opinions about the shortcomings of circus-like oral \u201cdebates\u201d with anti-Catholic apologists, and the main rationale for why I don\u2019t engage in them. If someone thinks that written debate is not debate, then this book is not for them, since it will mostly consist of written debates and point-by-point critiques. But for those who agree with me that written, back-and-forth, substantive exchanges are worthy of the name \u201cdebate,\u201d this book will be a (hopefully helpful) close examination of the flawed theology of James White and his critiques of Catholicism.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\"> In fact, despite his \u201coral debate only\u201d rhetoric, Mr. White has written or contributed to at least two books that consisted of debates with others: <\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><i>Debating Calvinism vs. Dave Hunt\u00a0<\/i><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\">(Multnomah: 2004), and <\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\"><i>The Plurality of Elders in Perspectives on Church Government: Five Views of Church Polity\u00a0<\/i><\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\">(Broadman-Holman: 2004). He\u2019s surely debated me, too.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\"> I\u2019m happy, as always, to present both sides and let the reader judge. This is the beauty of dialogue or even non-dialogical exchanges where at least one person defends a true position. The truth will always shine through if one is open to following it wherever it may lead. White\u2019s efforts at debunking Catholicism fail first and foremost because he is opposing what is <i>true<\/i>. \u201cYou can\u2019t make a silk purse out of a sow\u2019s ear.\u201d<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small; color: #000000;\">The material will be presented chronologically, and Mr. White\u2019s words (excepting the first very long debate) will be italicized. If his position is so superior, it\u2019ll withstand all this close scrutiny, But if <i>not<\/i> . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">* * * * *<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" align=\"JUSTIFY\"><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>(10-28-13) *** An anti-Catholic\u2013 in scholarly usage \u2013 is not merely a person who differs with Catholicism. Nor does it refer to someone who \u201chates\u201d Catholics or opposes all things Catholic simply because they are Catholic. And it doesn\u2019t refer to emotions or opposition to individuals, but rather, to Catholic theology. 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