{"id":19535,"date":"2018-06-01T18:30:52","date_gmt":"2018-06-01T22:30:52","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=19535"},"modified":"2018-06-01T18:30:52","modified_gmt":"2018-06-01T22:30:52","slug":"is-conversion-to-catholicism-mainly-emotional-or-doctrinal","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/06\/is-conversion-to-catholicism-mainly-emotional-or-doctrinal.html","title":{"rendered":"Is Conversion to Catholicism Mainly Emotional or &#8220;Doctrinal&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-19538 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2018\/06\/RailroadTracks.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"467\"><\/p>\n<p>Catholics (especially converts) are well familiar with the sort of argumentation that argues that people become Catholic for all kinds of reasons: but not doctrinal, rational ones. It is a subtle variation of the old \u201csmells and bells\u201d routine. The Catholic could never be what he is because of a sound comparison of systems, or a studied analysis of theology, history, or the Bible. It has to be some extraneous factor that made him take such an absurd leap.<\/p>\n<p>People can differ in good faith. I don\u2019t challenge the good faith reasoning of Protestants. I object to anti-Catholic bilge, but if someone actually produces some solid reasoning for why they converted to whatever they are, I may strongly disagree and argue with them, based on the merits of their \u201ccase,\u201d but I don\u2019t question the sincerity and felt-reasonableness of that and resort to speculations about how they were fed up with their former group, etc. as the \u201cbe-all\u201d explanation of their move. One ought to accept people\u2019s reports of their own spiritual odysseys. It is a deeply personal, oftentimes, painful and sacrificial road.<\/p>\n<p>For example, Protestant pastors (oftentimes, Reformed or Anglican) who convert to Catholicism do not make such a decision lightly or for frivolous, inadequate \u201csole\u201d reasons like being disgusted at division. I find that to be an absurdly naive, simplistic analysis. These people gave up their entire livelihood, way of life, oftentimes entire circle of friends (if those \u201cfriends\u201d decide to be hostile about it, rather than respect a fellow Christian\u2019s decision, and remain a friend, as they should).<\/p>\n<p>Why is it so hard to grant that we can indeed produce positive reasons for why we converted, and not just negative ones? It is psychologically naive, too, I think, because people generally don\u2019t make such serious life-decisions based on the \u201cnegatives\u201d of what they are leaving. Generally speaking, folks don\u2019t get married to person <em>y<\/em> because person <em>x<\/em> was such a scoundrel. It is because of what they see in person <em>y<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>So when one converts to Catholicism it\u2019s usually because of what we see there that we find to be true or a <em>better<\/em> expression of <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>apostolic faith<\/a> than what we found in Protestantism: <em>proactive<\/em> rather than <em>reactionary<\/em>. Speaking for myself, I have always viewed Protestantism as a very good thing. I simply think Catholicism is better: \u201cvery good and best\u201d rather than \u201cbad and good.\u201d But of course, many who leave Catholicism for Protestantism see the former as an evil, bad thing.<\/p>\n<p>Virtually all converts I know do not feel this way at all. We criticize aspects of Protestantism, of course (especially apologists like me), but we don\u2019t run it down as some essentially terrible, evil, monstrous thing. We simply believe it is an inadequate, skeletal version of the full, apostolic Christianity that we have found in the Catholic Church. \u201cBetter and best.\u201d A chicken leg with a little bit of meat on it is a good thing. But a chicken leg right from the oven with all the meat is a much better thing. We don\u2019t say the lesser version is \u201cbad.\u201d It just ain\u2019t \u201cenough\u201d and a person wants more than that.<\/p>\n<p>The divisions and all the nonsense to be found in Protestantism are certainly fairly important factors leading to disenchantment and the urge to explore other avenues. But it can\u2019t account for conversion in and of itself. That is my point. It is no \u201cgrand explanation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I was a pretty \u201chappy, satisfied\u201d committed evangelical Protestant for 13 years. I knew there were a host of problems in Protestant ranks, and wrote about them (e.g., critiquing the \u201cname-it-claim-it\u201d errors as early as 1982, nine years before my conversion). This didn\u2019t make me want to convert. I gave that very little thought at all until 1990, the very year of my conversion.<\/p>\n<p>Rather, it was the positive things I saw in Catholicism which drew me to it: particularly the sublime moral theology that I saw preserved nowhere in Protestantism. Also, development of doctrine was persuasive to me, because it made a great deal of sense of Church history. I had dealt with development in the early 80s also, in defending the Trinity against the Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses. We used to write about how the early Church had developed its thinking on the theology of God, etc. So this resonated with me later on, in working through various other issues.<\/p>\n<p>Now someone may say I am an exception; that most other converts did it because they are fed up with \u201cReformed coldness\u201d or in-fighting, or whatever else it is. I suppose former Reformed might have more of that aspect in their story (judging by how they talk about their own sphere and what goes on there).<\/p>\n<p>I wasn\u2019t Reformed, though; I was an Arminian, who had a great deal of respect for many Reformed thinkers (especially Francis Schaeffer and J. I. Packer) but didn\u2019t worship in those circles. Our problems had more to do with apathy, hypocrisy, and silly, insubstantial fights (such as over who should be pastor) than doctrinal issues. I accepted these as a necessary evil, and refused to participate in them. But again, this didn\u2019t cause me to convert.<\/p>\n<p>Catholic converts may often complain about various errors and faults in Protestantism and Protestant circles, but when it gets down to brass tacks, the reason they give for their conversion will almost always be a positive one: the Eucharist, the papacy, Tradition, Mary and the saints (often things that are neglected altogether in many Protestant circles).<\/p>\n<p>The error here lies in the relative weight placed on the complaints vs. the espousal of new Catholic distinctives. I contend that the latter is far more influential in the decision to convert than the former.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>(originally from 9-11-04)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">photograph by\u00a0hpgruesen<\/span> [<a href=\"http:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/publicdomain\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">public domain CC0<\/a> license \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/pixnio.com\/miscellaneous\/rails-paving-stone-intersection-tram-grass-street-city\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Pixnio.com<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Catholics (especially converts) are well familiar with the sort of argumentation that argues that people become Catholic for all kinds of reasons: but not doctrinal, rational ones. It is a subtle variation of the old \u201csmells and bells\u201d routine. The Catholic could never be what he is because of a sound comparison of systems, or [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":19538,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[64],"tags":[2334,1438,2335,1439],"class_list":["post-19535","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-conversion-and-converts","tag-catholic-conversion","tag-catholic-conversion-stories","tag-catholic-converts","tag-religious-conversion"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Is Conversion to Catholicism Mainly Emotional or &quot;Doctrinal&quot;?<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"In my experiences, conversion to Catholicism is not merely an emotional or &quot;reactionary&quot; thing, but rather, a positive and proactive decision.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/06\/is-conversion-to-catholicism-mainly-emotional-or-doctrinal.html\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Is Conversion to Catholicism Mainly Emotional or &quot;Doctrinal&quot;?\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"In my experiences, conversion to Catholicism is not merely an emotional or &quot;reactionary&quot; 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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