{"id":21382,"date":"2018-07-24T18:50:59","date_gmt":"2018-07-24T22:50:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=21382"},"modified":"2018-07-24T18:50:59","modified_gmt":"2018-07-24T22:50:59","slug":"mary-mediatrix-jesus-mere-vessels-vs-sources","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/07\/mary-mediatrix-jesus-mere-vessels-vs-sources.html","title":{"rendered":"Mary Mediatrix &#038; Jesus (Mere Vessels vs. Sources)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<\/p><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-21388 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2018\/07\/Mary44.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"365\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">I answered an objection to my <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ncregister.com\/blog\/darmstrong\/mary-mediatrix-close-biblical-analogies\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">recent article on this topic<\/a> at <em>National Catholic Register<\/em>:<\/p>\n<p>Of course, Jesus is our Savior, and the source of all the grace (as I made quite clear in my paper), which He then chooses to pass through Mary to us. No contradiction whatsoever. It only is for those accustomed to thinking in unbiblical either\/or terms. A hose is not the ultimate source of water. An electric wire is not the source of electricity or a phone signal. The computer you\u2019re looking at right now is not the source of these words of mine (I am). Jesus is the source. People like Paul passed along his grace, as channels. Likewise, Mary, in Catholic thought.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">And some more thoughts presently and in my combox:<\/p>\n<p>Critics of the doctrine think that if (or just because) all grace comes through her, she is the <em>source<\/em>, but that doesn\u2019t follow. If all the drinking water in the world somehow had to go through one single pipe, it still wouldn\u2019t follow that the pipe was the ultimate source of the water.\u00a0The nature of the pipe is that it doesn\u2019t <em>produce<\/em>\u00a0water; it only<em> carries<\/em> it. That\u2019s how the Blessed Virgin Mary is as regards divine grace.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s the distinction, again, between Mary being the source of all grace or the optional choice, by God, to be the vessel of all grace that originates with him. Critics don\u2019t like it because they regard it as 1) unbiblical (it\u2019s harmonious with scriptural notions, as I have shown) and 2) taking away from the prerogatives of God (which it doesn\u2019t do at all).<\/p>\n<p>Mary always directs us towards Jesus. She is a totally <em>unique<\/em>\u00a0\u201cpipe.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<span data-ft='{\"tn\":\"K\"}'><span class=\"UFICommentBody\">It\u2019s like the Church being a vessel of salvation, whether people are aware of it or not. Mary is the vessel of the grace from God, whether people are aware of it or not.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>(originally 8-15-17 on Facebook)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>The Madonna in the Church<\/em> (c. 1440), by Jan van Eyck (c. 1390-1441)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:1440_van_der_Eyck_Die_Madonna_in_der_Kirche_anagoria.JPG\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I answered an objection to my recent article on this topic at National Catholic Register: Of course, Jesus is our Savior, and the source of all the grace (as I made quite clear in my paper), which He then chooses to pass through Mary to us. No contradiction whatsoever. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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