{"id":223,"date":"2013-06-12T12:24:00","date_gmt":"2013-06-12T12:24:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/06\/martin-luthers-positive-statements-on-the-christian-status-of-the-catholic-church-as-a-theological-worldview.html"},"modified":"2017-05-27T16:40:48","modified_gmt":"2017-05-27T20:40:48","slug":"martin-luthers-positive-statements-on-the-christian-status-of-the-catholic-church-as-a-theological-worldview","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/06\/martin-luthers-positive-statements-on-the-christian-status-of-the-catholic-church-as-a-theological-worldview.html","title":{"rendered":"Martin Luther: Catholicism is Christian"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2013\/06\/ChartresWindow.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-4508 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2013\/06\/ChartresWindow.jpg\" alt=\"ChartresWindow\" width=\"555\" height=\"768\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Chartres Cathedral: north transept rose window, c.1235. Photograph by <\/span><span style=\"color: #252525;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Guillaume Piolle, 2-7-09<\/span>\u00a0<\/span>[public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Chartres_-_cath%C3%A9drale_-_rosace_nord.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]\n<p>***<\/p><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">(6-12-13)\n<p><\/p><\/span>***<br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">These are excerpts from a larger dialogue that also discussed Calvin\u2019s view (with this new introduction and summary). All words are Luther\u2019s except for a few comments from scholars on his views and positions, or my introductory comments, which will be in<span style=\"color: blue;\"> blue<\/span>, and the bibliographical source information: in <span style=\"color: #008000;\">green<\/span>. It should be noted that Luther also makes tons of <i>negative<\/i> statements about the Catholic Church, but these are <i>mostly<\/i> directed towards the hierarchy or the papacy, which he <i>does not <\/i>equate with the Catholic Church as a <i>whole<\/i>. He regards the latter as \u201cantichrist,\u201d etc.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">\u00a0Luther\u2019s thought develops (from both true and false premises that he holds), and he is also quite capable of \u2014 and not infrequently guilty of \u2014 either self-contradiction or vacillation (on<i> any<\/i> topic). Moreover, it is always of the utmost importance in interpreting Luther, to take into consideration context and his particular \u201cmood\u201d or the literary technique he uses at any given time. He often utilizes sarcasm and hyperbole and other non-literal devices to get his point across. Because of this, he is often cited out of context, and unjustly so: making people think he taught something that he did not, in fact, teach.<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">Another relevant factor to take into consideration is Luther\u2019s ravings when he was an old, embittered, sick man (disgusted even with most <i>Protestants<\/i>, including his own party, let alone Catholics): often regarded as from 1543 till his death in 1546. Many \u2014 if not most \u2014 Luther scholars think they should be taken with a <i>large <\/i>grain of salt: certainly not literally all down the line. Some of these rantings are blatantly anti-Catholic in nature; other famous pontifications from this period are his jeremiads against the \u201cSacramentarians\u201d (Protestants who denied the Real Presence in the Eucharist) and the Jews.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">[note: the above paragraph has become a bone of contention and was scathingly critiqued by the persistently slanderous anti-Catholic Reformed polemicist, James Swan.\u00a0 I replied at length, thoroughly backing myself up, in my paper, \u201cDid the Older Luther\u2019s Illness and Frustration Significantly Impact His Negative Rhetoric? \u201c]<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">In any event, the positive statements documented below (mostly intended literally, as far as I can tell) mean what they mean, and have to be interpreted in their own right; not simply rationalized away or dismissed <i>en masse<\/i> because he said \u201cbad stuff\u201d somewhere else (as my opponent in the larger dialogue foolishly attempted to do, in classic anti-Catholic polemical form). Nor is it insignificant that leading Luther scholars back up my present point of view. <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">Amateurs and polemicists and wannabe apologists or historians on the Internet (with an agenda and ax to grind) can and do claim all sorts of things (often with a ludicrous and self-important dogmatism); what Luther <i>scholars<\/i> or Church historians believe, on the other hand, is quite a different story indeed. Thus, I always try to massively back up my contentions with scholars (and primary documentation), for this very reason: because I know full well that my opinion as an amateur historian and student of Church history carries little or no weight without them. Nor would I ever want to give the slightest impression that they <i>had<\/i> any weight, minus this documentation and whatever scholarly support I can find to aid my arguments.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">* * * * *<\/span><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\">Baptism is especially important with regard to Luther\u2019s statements.\u00a0 He thought that the Catholic Church possessed true baptism. Now, when we analyze what Luther thought about baptism, it\u2019s clear that he thought that Catholics could very well be saved by means of it. Here is what Luther expressed along these lines:<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: -1;\">Little children . . . are free in every way, secure and saved solely through the glory of their baptism . . . Through the prayer of the believing church which presents it, . . . the infant is changed, cleansed, and renewed by inpoured faith. Nor should I doubt that even a godless adult could be changed, in any of the sacraments, if the same church prayed for and presented him, as we read of the paralytic in the Gospel, who was healed through the faith of others (Mark 2:3-12). I should be ready to admit that in this sense the sacraments of the New Law are efficacious in conferring grace, not only to those who do not, but even to those who do most obstinately present an obstacle.<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: -1;\">\u00a0 <\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit; font-size: -1;\">(<i>The Babylonian Captivity of the Church<\/i>, 1520, from the translation of A.T.W. Steinhauser, Philadelphia: Fortress Press, revised edition, 1970, 197)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: blue;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit; font-size: -1;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\"><span style=\"font-size: -1;\">Likewise, in his <i>Large Catechism<\/i> (1529), Luther writes:<\/span> <\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: -1;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: -1;\">Expressed in the simplest form, the power, the effect, the benefit, the fruit and the purpose of baptism is to save. No one is baptized that he may become a prince, but, as the words declare [of Mark 16:16], that he may be saved. But to be saved, we know very well, is to be delivered from sin, death, and Satan, and to enter Christ\u2019s kingdom and live forever with him . . . Through the Word, baptism receives the power to become the washing of regeneration, as St. Paul calls it in Titus 3:5 . . . Faith clings to the water and believes it to be baptism which effects pure salvation and life . . . <\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: black;\"><span style=\"font-size: -1;\">When sin and conscience oppress us . . . you may say: It is a fact that I am baptized, but, being baptized, I have the promise that I shall be saved and obtain eternal life for both soul and body . . . Hence, no greater jewel can adorn our body or soul than baptism; for through it perfect holiness and salvation become accessible to us . . .<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000;\"><span style=\"font-size: -1;\">(From edition by Augsburg Publishing House [Minneapolis], 1935, sections 223-224, 230, pp. 162, 165)<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-family: inherit; font-size: large;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\">1522\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/b><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-family: inherit; font-size: large;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><\/span><\/span><\/span>\u00a0 <span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\">Ewald M. Plass\u2019s magisterial 1667-page volume, <\/span><i style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\">What Luther Says<\/i><span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\"> (St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1959) \u2014 I have it in my own library \u2014 provides more evidence. He writes, himself, on p. 128:<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\">. . . while scoring papal innovations, Luther never ceased to confess indebtedness to the Church of Rome and to regard it as a Christian organization. He expresses this clearly in a <i>Church Postil <\/i>sermon on John 15:26 \u2013 16:4, in connection with John 16:3. Between the Church of Rome and the Lutheran Church a relation exists similar to that which once existed between the Jewish Church and the apostolic Christian Church . . .<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span style=\"color: blue;\">I<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.orlutheran.com\/html\/mlsermjoh1526-1604-2.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">found this sermon<\/a> <span style=\"color: blue;\">online. It dates from 1522. Here is an excerpt, with his \u201cecumenical\u201d sentiments, in-between a mountain of hostility and his usual lies about the Catholic Church: <\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">28. Accordingly, we concede to the papacy that they sit in the true Church, possessing the office instituted by Christ and inherited from the apostles, to teach, baptize, administer the sacrament, absolve, ordain, etc., just as the Jews sat in their synagogues or assemblies and were the regularly established priesthood and authority of the Church. We admit all this and do not attack the office, although they are not willing to admit as much for us; yea, we confess that we have received these things from them, even as Christ by birth descended from the Jews and the apostles obtained the Scriptures from them. . . . <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">32. Thus we say to the papists: We grant you, indeed, the name and office, and regard these as holy and precious, for the office is not yours, but has been established by Christ and given to the Church without regard for and distinction of the persons who occupy it. Therefore, whatever is exercised through this office as the institution of Christ, and in his name and that of the Church, is at all times right and proper, even though ungodly and unbelieving men may participate. We must distinguish between the office and the person exercising it, between rightful use and abuse. The name of God and of Christ is always holy in itself; but it may be abused and blasphemed. So also, the office of the Church is holy and precious, but the person occupying it may be accursed and belong to the devil.\u00a0 . . . <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">43. We admit that the papists also exercise the appointed offices of the Church, baptize, administer the sacrament etc., when they observe these things as the institution of Christ, in the name of Christ and by virtue of his command (just as in the Church we must regard as right and efficacious the offices of the Church and baptism administered by heretics), . . .<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-family: inherit; font-size: large;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\">1528<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><\/span><\/span><\/span><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:6\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:6\">In the first place I hear and see that such rebaptism is undertaken by some in order to spite the pope and to be free of any taint of the Antichrist. In the same way the foes of the sacrament want to believe only in bread and win<\/span><\/span><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:0\">e, in opposition to the pope, thinking thereby really to overthrow the papacy. It is indeed a shaky foundation on which they can build nothing good. On that basis we would have to disown the whole of Scripture and the office of the ministry, which of course we have received from the papacy. We would also have to make a new Bible. . . .<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">We on our part confess that there is much that is Christian and good under the papacy; indeed everything that is Christian and good is to be found there and has come to us from this source. For instance we confess that in the papal church there are the true holy Scriptures, true baptism, the true sacrament of the altar, the true keys to the forgiveness of sins, the true office of the ministry, the true catechism in the form of the Lord\u2019s Prayer, the Ten Commandments, and the articles of the creed . . . I speak of what the pope and we have in common . . . I contend that in the papacy there is true Christianity, even the right kind of Christianity and many great and devoted saints.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">. . . The Christendom that now is under the papacy is truly the body of Christ and a member of it. If it is his body, then it has the true spirit, gospel, faith, baptism, sacrament, keys, the office of the ministry, prayer, holy Scripture, and everything that pertains to Christendom. So we are all still under the papacy and therefrom have received our Christian treasures.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\" style=\"font-family: inherit;\">. . . We do not rave as do the rebellious spirits, so as to reject everything that is found in the papal church. For then we would cast out even Christendom from the temple of God, and all that it contained of Christ.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">[251] . . . We recall that St. John was not averse to hearing the Word of God from Caiaphas and pays attention to his prophecy [John 11:49 f.] . . . Christ bids us hear the godless Pharisees in the seat of Moses, though they are godless teachers . . . Let God judge their evil lies. We can still listen to their godly words . . .<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">Still we must admit that the enthusiasts have the Scriptures and the Word of God in other doctrines. Whoever hears it from them and believes will be saved, even though they are unholy heretics and blasphemers of Christ.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">. . . [256] if the first, or child, baptism were not right, it would follow that for more than a thousand years there was no baptism or any Christendom, which is impossible. For in that case the article of the creed, I believe in one holy Christian church, would be false . . . [257] If this baptism is wrong then for that long period Christendom would have been without baptism, and if it were without baptism it would not be Christendom.<span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #008000; font-family: inherit;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">(<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><i>Concerning Rebaptism: A Letter to Two Pastors<\/i>, 1528,<i> Luther\u2019s Works<\/i> [\u201cLW\u201d], Vol. 40, 225-262; translated by Conrad Bergendoff, <span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\">pp. 231-232, 251, 256-257)\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #38761d;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:9\"><span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\" style=\"font-family: inherit;\">1531 \u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">. . . even though it is in the midst of wolves and robbers, that is, spiritual tyrants, it nevertheless is the church. Although the city of Rome is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah, yet Baptism, the Sacrament of the Lord\u2019s Supper, the reading (<i>vox<\/i>) and text of the Gospel, Holy Scriptures, the ministry, the name of Christ, and the name of God remain in her.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: #008000; font-family: inherit;\">(Luther\u2019s exposition of Galatians 1:2 in his 1531 commentary; quoted by Plass, <i>ibid<\/i>., p. 130, #375A)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-family: inherit; font-size: large;\">1532<\/span><\/b><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">This testimony of the universal holy Christian Church, even if we had nothing else, would be a sufficient warrant for holding this article [on the sacrament] and refusing to suffer or listen to a sectary, for it is dangerous and fearful to hear or believe anything against the unanimous testimony, belief, and teaching of the universal holy Christian churches, unanimously held in all the world from the beginning until now over fifteen hundred years.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">(Letter to Albrecht, Margrave of Brandenburg and Duke of Prussia, 1532; from Roland H. Bainton, <i>Studies on the Reformation<\/i>, Boston: Beacon Press, 1963, p. 26; WA, Vol. XXX, 552)<\/span><span style=\"font-size: small;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: blue;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit; font-size: small;\">This letter, apparently passed over by <i>Luther\u2019s Works<\/i>, Vol. 50 (<i>Letters III<\/i>), was, thankfully, cited at some length by the celebrated Protestant historian Philip Schaff, and refers to, as Schaff notes, \u201cthe real presence of Christ in the Lord\u2019s Supper\u201d:<\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">Moreover, this article has been unanimously believed and held from the beginning of the Christian Church to the present hour, as may be shown from the books and writings of the dear fathers, both in the Greek and Latin languages, \u2014 which testimony of the entire holy Christian Church ought to be sufficient for us, even if we had nothing more. <i>For it is dangerous and dreadful to hear or believe anything against the unanimous testimony, faith, and doctrine of the entire holy Christian Church, as it has been held unanimously in all the world up to this year 1500<\/i>. Whoever now doubts of this, he does just as much as if he believed in no Christian Church, and condemns not only the entire holy Christian Church as a damnable heresy, but Christ Himself, and all the Apostles and Prophets, who founded this article, when we say, \u201cI believe in a holy Christian Church,\u201d to which Christ bears powerful testimony in Matt. 28.20: \u201cLo, I am with you alway, to the end of the world,\u201d and Paul, in 1 Tim. 3.15: \u201cThe Church is the pillar and ground of the truth.\u201d<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #008000; font-family: inherit;\">(<i>The Life and Labours of St. Augustine<\/i>, Oxford University: 1854, 95. Italics are Schaff\u2019s own; cf. abridged [?] version in Preserved Smith, <i>The Life and Letters of Martin Luther<\/i>, Boston and New York: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1911, pp. 290-292; cf. Johann Adam Mohler, <i>Symbolism<\/i>, 1844, 400)<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480426.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><\/div>\n<div id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480426.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\">Schaff, writing in <i>The Reformed Quarterly Review<\/i> (July, 1888, p. 295), cites the passage yet again, and translates one portion a little differently (my italics):<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">The testimony of the entire holy Christian Church (<i>even without any other proof<\/i>) should be sufficient for us to abide by this article and to <i>listen to no sectaries against it<\/i>. \u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480426.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\" style=\"font-family: inherit;\">1533<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480426.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">By His miraculous power God nonetheless preserved under the pope, first, Holy Baptism, then, in the pulpit, the text of the holy Gospel in the language of each country, thirdly, the forgiveness of sins and absolution in both private confession and the public services; fourthly, the holy Sacrament of the altar . . . fifthly, the calling and ordaining to the pastorate, the ministry, or the care of souls . . . finally, also prayer, the Psalter, the Lord\u2019s Prayer, the Creed, and the Ten Commandments; likewise, many good hymns and songs . . . Therefore Christ with His Holy Spirit surely was with his own and sustained Christian faith in them . . . <\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #008000; font-family: inherit;\">(in Plass, <i>ibid<\/i>., p. 129, #375)<\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480426.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><\/div>\n<div id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480426.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\" style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:2\"><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span> <span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:2\"><span style=\"font-size: medium;\"><span style=\"color: #38761d;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480426.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\" style=\"font-family: inherit;\">1538\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"western\" style=\"margin-left: 0.5in;\"><\/div>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">The papacy has God\u2019s word and the office of the apostles, and we have received the Holy Scriptures, baptism, the sacrament, and the office of preaching from them . . . we ourselves find it difficult to refute it . . . Then there come rushing into my heart thoughts like these: Now I see that I am in error. Oh, if only I had never started this and had never preached a word! For who dares oppose the church, of which we confess in the creed: I believe in a holy Christian church . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000; font-family: inherit;\">(<i>Sermons on John 14-16<\/i>, 1538 [on Jn 16:1-2], Paul Althaus, <i>The Theology of Martin Luther<\/i>, translated by Robert C. Schultz, Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1966, 336; WA, Vol. 46, 5 ff. [edited by Cruciger]; cf. LW, Vol. XXIV, 304)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">Thus we are also compelled to say: \u201cI believe and am sure that the Christian Church has remained even in the papacy\u201d . . . some of the papists are true Christians, even though they, too, have been led astray, as Christ foretold in Matt. 24:24. But by the grace of God and with His help they have been preserved in a wonderful manner.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;\">(<i>Sermons on John 14-16<\/i>, 1538 [on Jn 16:1-2], LW, Vol. XXIV, 305)<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">[I]t is necessary to consider their beliefs and teachings. If I see that they preach and confess Christ as the One sent by God the Father to reconcile us to the Father through His death and to obtain grace for us, then we are in agreement, and I regard them as my dear brethren in Christ and as members of the Christian Church.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">Yet the proclamation of this text \u2013 together with Baptism, the Sacrament of Christ, and the articles of the Creed \u2013 has remained even in the papacy, although many errors and devious paths have been introduced alongside it. . . . All errors notwithstanding, the true church has never perished.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #008000; font-family: inherit;\">(<i>Ibid<\/i>., 309)<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: red;\"><b><span style=\"font-size: large;\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480522.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:3.:0.:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0\" class=\"UFICommentBody\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0\"><span id=\".reactRoot[1].:0:1:1:comment598079416893714_94480539.:0.:1.:0.:1.:0.:0.:0:2.:0.:0.:3\" style=\"font-family: inherit;\">1539<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/b><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\">We know that Luther regarded Catholic baptism as valid; therefore, by ineluctable logic, Catholics are Christians, on that basis, if he regarded baptized people as such.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Luther (like Calvin) was not rebaptized as an adult (and excommunicated Protestant), and regarded his Catholic baptism as valid (since, after all, he himself argued against rebaptism). Luther clarified his opinion on baptism in his 1539 treatise, <i>On the Councils and the Church<\/i>:<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">I excuse St. Cyprian . . . for he held that the heretics had no sacrament at all and that therefore they had to be baptized like other heathen. . . . But our Anabaptists admit that our baptism and that of the papacy is a true baptism, but since it is administered and received by unworthy people, it is no baptism at all. St. Cyprian would never have concurred in this, much less practiced it.<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote><p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span style=\"color: #38761d;\"><span style=\"color: #008000;\">(<i>Selected Writings of Martin Luther: 1529-1546<\/i>, Fortress Press, 1967<\/span>, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=cHvf_xp6V8IC&amp;pg=PA238&amp;lpg=PA238&amp;dq=was+luther+rebaptized?&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=4khsrKqMOF&amp;sig=JbN33dsrgXi2bSkJcaixnQ5OKjE&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=FUm2UbGBOIXJ4APjg4DwBw&amp;ved=0CFYQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&amp;q=was%20luther%20rebaptized%3F&amp;f=false\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">p. 238<\/a><span style=\"color: #008000;\">)<\/span><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: blue;\"><span style=\"color: black; font-family: inherit;\">* * *\u00a0<\/span><\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><span style=\"color: blue;\">That Luther regarded properly baptized persons as Christians is backed-up by the most well-known Luther biographer, Roland H. Bainton. Referring to his opinion in 1526, he stated:<\/span><span style=\"color: blue;\"><br>\n<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p><span style=\"color: blue; font-family: inherit;\">. . . he had relinquished the hope of gathering the ardent and had turned to the education of the masses. There should be neither a sect nor a cell, but the Church should coincide with the community and all those baptized in infancy should be accounted Christian.<\/span><br>\n<span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"color: #38761d; font-family: inherit;\">(<i>Studies on the Reformation<\/i>, Boston: Beacon Press, 1963, p. 38)<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\"><br>\n<\/span><span style=\"font-family: inherit;\">*****<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Chartres Cathedral: north transept rose window, c.1235. 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Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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