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Reformed Baptist anti-Catholic apologist Bishop<\/a> \u201cDr.\u201d [???<\/a>] James White<\/a>, stated in his post, \u201cA Brief Comment on the \u2018Communion of Saints\u2019 and Catholic Blogger \u2018Devman'\u201d<\/a> (7-22-09):<\/p>\n [T]here is a fundamental separation between those who are alive in this world, and those who are alive in the next. . . . You simply do not find the saints on earth communicating with the saints in heaven<\/span> . . .<\/p>\n Are we seriously to believe that the unique, one-of-a-kind event of the Transfiguration itself is a meaningful foundation for communication with those who have passed from this life? Do I really need to point out that there is actually no example of communication between the apostles and Moses and Elijah<\/span>, that it is limited to Jesus, and hence would not, even if it was pressed far out of its meaningful context, support such a concept? [blue<\/span> highlighting added presently]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Again, in his article, \u201cContinued Review of Armstrong and Hahn (Part 2)\u201d<\/a> (6-22-07), Bishop White confidently contends:<\/p>\n Where does Hahn, and by extension, Armstrong, get all the rest of these assertions? Where is the evidence that these souls have knowledge of current events on earth? Where is the evidence that they have communication with anyone on earth?<\/span> They are not aware of events on earth;\u00a0 . . .\u00a0\u00a0 So, at this point, we have examined two of the passages put forward by both Armstrong and Hahn and have yet to find any compelling reason to accept their usage of them. Ironically, the Roman Catholic apologist, who so often refers to \u201cprivate interpretation\u201d as all you can have as a Protestant, has nothing more himself, in fact. And when we examine his use of Scripture, we find it strained, even tortured, and anything but compelling.\u00a0[blue<\/span> highlighting added]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Those are his claims (note particularly the highlighted portions. He says that souls of those who die\u00a0\u00a0don\u2019t \u201chave knowledge of current events on earth\u201d and that \u201cThey are not aware of events on earth.\u201d This is astonishing biblical ignorance. Two passages refute this notion:<\/p>\n Hebrews 12:1<\/strong> (RSV) Therefore, since we are surrounded by<\/span> so<\/span> great a cloud of witnesses<\/span>, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, [see my article about what \u201ccloud of witnesses\u201d<\/a> means]<\/p>\n Revelation 6:9-10<\/strong>\u00a0When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne;\u00a0[10] they cried out with a loud voice, \u201cO Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n But getting to my main point: here is what the Bible shows (in just the book of Revelation alone), with regard to St. John being communicated to by elders and angels in heaven:<\/p>\n Revelation 4:1<\/strong>\u00a0After this I looked, and lo, in heaven<\/span> an open door! And the first voice, which I had heard speaking to me<\/span> like a trumpet, said, \u201cCome up hither, and I will show you what must take place after this.\u201d<\/p>\n Revelation 5:5<\/strong>\u00a0Then one of the elders said to me<\/span>, \u201cWeep not; lo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.\u201d<\/p>\n Revelation 10:4<\/strong>\u00a0And when the seven thunders had sounded, I was about to write, but I heard a voice from heaven<\/strong> saying<\/span>, \u201cSeal up what the seven thunders have said, and do not write it down.\u201d<\/p>\n Revelation 14:13<\/strong>\u00a0And I heard a voice from heaven<\/strong> saying<\/span>, \u201cWrite this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth.\u201d . . .<\/p>\n Revelation 17:1, 7, 15\u00a0<\/strong>Then one of the seven angels<\/span> who had the seven bowls came and said to me, \u201cCome, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, . . . [7] But the angel said to me<\/span>, \u201cWhy marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman, and of the beast with seven heads and ten horns that carries her. . . . [15]\u00a0And he said to me<\/span>, \u201cThe waters that you saw, where the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues.<\/p>\n Revelation 19:9-10<\/strong>\u00a0And the angel said to me<\/span>, \u201cWrite this: Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.\u201d And he said to me<\/span>, \u201cThese are true words of God.\u201d\u00a0[10] Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me<\/span>, \u201cYou must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brethren who hold the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.\u201d For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.<\/p>\n Revelation 21:9<\/strong>\u00a0Then came one of the seven angels<\/span> who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, and spoke to me, saying<\/span>, \u201cCome, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.\u201d<\/p>\n Revelation 22:8-10<\/strong>\u00a0I John am he who heard<\/span> and saw these things. And when I heard<\/span> and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel<\/span> who showed them to me;\u00a0[9] but he said to me<\/span>, \u201cYou must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brethren the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.\u201d\u00a0[10]\u00a0And he said to me<\/span>, \u201cDo not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n These passages decisively refute White\u2019s taunt: \u201cWhere is the evidence that they [Dave: souls \/ saints] have communication with anyone on earth?\u201d But\u00a0White might retort as he has above, saying that those on earth didn\u2019t communicate back<\/em> to, or \u201cwith the saints in heaven\u201d and that the disciples didn\u2019t talk to Moses and Elijah at the Transfiguration; only Jesus did. The following passages undoubtedly refute that<\/em> claim as well, because St. John talks back<\/strong><\/em> to both an elder (i.e., a human in heaven) and an angel:<\/span><\/p>\n Revelation 7:13-14<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>\u00a0Then one of the elders addressed me, saying<\/span>, \u201cWho are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?\u201d\u00a0[14<\/b>] I said to him<\/strong>, \u201cSir, you know.\u201d<\/span> And he said to me<\/span>, \u201cThese are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.\u201d<\/p>\n Revelation 10:8-11<\/span>\u00a0<\/strong>Then the voice which I had heard from heaven<\/strong> spoke to me<\/span> again, saying<\/span>, \u201cGo, take the scroll which is open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land.\u201d\u00a0[9] So I went to the angel and<\/span> told him<\/strong><\/span> to give me the little scroll; and he said to me<\/span>, \u201cTake it and eat; it will be bitter to your stomach, but sweet as honey in your mouth.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0[10] And I took the little scroll from the hand of the angel and ate it; it was sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it my stomach was made bitter.\u00a0\u00a0[11] And I was told<\/span>, \u201cYou must again prophesy about many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Additionally, we also have St. Paul\u2019s account of his being caught up the the \u201cthird heaven\u201d where he was told remarkable things:<\/p>\n 2 Corinthians 12:1-4<\/strong> . . . I will go on to visions and revelations of the Lord.\u00a0[2] I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven \u2014 whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows.\u00a0[3] And I know that this man was caught up into Paradise \u2014 whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows \u2014\u00a0[4] and he heard things<\/span> that cannot be told, which man may not utter.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n Case closed<\/em>. White almost certainly won\u2019t reply to this. And as he likes to say, \u201cI think there is a very good reason<\/em> for that.\u201d<\/p>\n Related reading:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n Reply to James White on Communion of Saints\u00a0<\/a>[6-20-07]<\/p>\n My web page:\u00a0Saints, Purgatory, & Penance<\/a><\/p>\n My book:\u00a0Biblical Evidence for the Communion of Saints<\/em><\/a> [available as an e-book for only $2.99]<\/p>\n ***<\/p>\n Photo credit:<\/strong><\/span> Caricature of James White by his own commissioned caricaturist,<\/span> Angel Contreras<\/a>, posted on<\/span> White\u2019s Facebook page<\/a> (8-6-15).<\/span><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" James White Contradicts Explicit Biblical Teaching on the Communion of Saints Yet Again! Reformed Baptist anti-Catholic apologist Bishop \u201cDr.\u201d [???] James White, stated in his post, \u201cA Brief Comment on the \u2018Communion of Saints\u2019 and Catholic Blogger \u2018Devman’\u201d (7-22-09): [T]here is a fundamental separation between those who are alive in this world, and those who […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":23430,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1068,206],"tags":[266,6375,201,2397,371,2396,372,2398,2399],"class_list":["post-23427","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-james-white","category-saints-purgatory-penance","tag-angels","tag-communication-between-heaven-and-earth","tag-communion-of-saints","tag-intercession-of-angels","tag-intercession-of-the-saints","tag-invocation-of-angels","tag-invocation-of-saints","tag-praying-to-angels","tag-praying-to-dead-saints"],"yoast_head":"\n