{"id":2399,"date":"2015-08-18T21:53:20","date_gmt":"2015-08-19T01:53:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=2399"},"modified":"2017-05-21T17:21:00","modified_gmt":"2017-05-21T21:21:00","slug":"why-did-a-perfect-god-create-an-imperfect-world","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/08\/why-did-a-perfect-god-create-an-imperfect-world.html","title":{"rendered":"Why Did a Perfect God Create an Imperfect World?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"color: #141823; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/08\/CreationBlake.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-2400\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2015\/08\/CreationBlake-220x300.jpg\" alt=\"CreationBlake\" width=\"400\" height=\"545\"><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>The Ancient of Days<\/em> (William Blake, 1794)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Europe_a_Prophecy,_copy_D,_object_1_(Bentley_1,_Erdman_i,_Keynes_i)_British_Museum.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">When God creates, what He creates is already less perfect than He is, just by the fact that it is created, whereas He is eternal and uncreated. So, for example, human beings are not omniscient, or omnipotent, or omnipresent, as God is. They\u2019re not absolutely perfect, and indeed cannot be, since there is only one God, Who is perfect and self-existent, needing nothing whatsoever. Human beings are limited in knowledge and ability. This is what caused the fall: they did what was not best for them, for lack of knowledge and faith in God.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">The fallacy in the atheist premise is that paradise was \u201cperfect.\u201d It wasn\u2019t because it wasn\u2019t God. It was without sin at first and was \u201cgood\u201d, but the limitations were there, causing the rebellion and fall.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">The basic problem is that there is 1) God and 2) everything else that is not God. What is not God can never be equal to God, and even God can\u2019t make it so. God can\u2019t create a second God, because that wouldn\u2019t be God: not being eternal and self-existent.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">All (in this alleged \u201cconundrum\u201d) depends on what \u201cperfect\u201d means. God created the angels, and they had a choice to sin or not sin. Most of them chose not to, and have remained that way ever since. Some, including Satan, chose to rebel against God. Most of what causes pain and suffering is because of man\u2019s sin, and the rest is due to the fixed nature of the physical world (if you fall off a building, matter is hard, and so you die). That\u2019s not God\u2019s fault at all. If we have physical matter, and some of it is sharp or hard, sometimes people will get hurt.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Mary was specially graced by God with the Immaculate Conception, so that she didn\u2019t sin. Otherwise, she would have fallen like the rest of us.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">It is one world that is fallen, and being redeemed by God through the cross: not two worlds, which is the heresy of gnosticism: holding that matter is evil.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Nothing is absolutely perfect that isn\u2019t God.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Christianity doesn\u2019t reduce to philosophy. It is a religious faith. That doesn\u2019t mean that it is <em>against<\/em>\u00a0reason, but it <em>transcends<\/em>\u00a0it: it\u2019s not identical to philosophy or reason; it\u2019s much <em>more<\/em>\u00a0than that. Faith is a gift from God and requires grace.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Many atheists just want to play games when it comes to discussions of Christianity. I\u2019ve talked to many dozens of them. It\u2019s usually not a serious discussion. They simply try to \u201ctrap\u201d the Christian and make Christianity and Christians look silly (so they can feel better in their self-delusion of atheism, and feel mentally \u201csuperior\u201d). That\u2019s child\u2019s play, not serious thinking or seeking of truth.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">None of this gibberish about \u201cimperfect worlds\u201d disproves anything about God or Christianity at all. But atheists just keep coming back with more fallacious arguments, based on false premises. If we \u201csolve\u201d one problem (or get them to be speechless: a rare moment!), they simply come up with another \u201cobjection\u201d in their bag of tricks. I\u2019ve been through the routine, myself, a hundred times.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">Just because we Christians may not always have a ready answer for the atheist\u2019s relentless questioning doesn\u2019t prove anything. Atheists also don\u2019t have answers for many things. I have \u201ccornered\u201d them in logic many times where they didn\u2019t have an answer. It works both ways. But the bottom line is not to \u201ctrap\u201d someone but to share truth with them and get them to see what is false.<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">The <em>really<\/em> serious\u00a0problem is not the problem of evil, but the \u201cproblem of good\u201d: how does one define \u201cgood\u201d without a God?<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #141823;\">I\u2019ve written <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/07\/books-by-dave-armstrong-christian-worldview-vs-postmodernism.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">a book about atheism<\/a>, and one about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2010\/10\/books-by-dave-armstrong-science-and.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Christianity and science<\/a>. And I have web pages <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/atheism-agnosticism-secularism-index.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">about atheism<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/philosophy-christianity-index-page.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Philosophy and Science<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Ancient of Days (William Blake, 1794) [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons] When God creates, what He creates is already less perfect than He is, just by the fact that it is created, whereas He is eternal and uncreated. So, for example, human beings are not omniscient, or omnipotent, or omnipresent, as God is. 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Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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