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I received notice of a reply to a comment of mine made on Bob Seidensticker\u2019s rabidly anti-theist \/ anti-Christian blog, Cross Examined<\/em><\/a>. I had written over there on 8-21-18, replying to Bob<\/a>:\u00a0 \u201cIf you think I\u2019m a troll, then ban me, since you say you have banned dozens of people. What stops you?\u201d<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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So today, \u201cBeeryUSA\u201d<\/a> replied (link<\/a>):<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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It\u2019s no wonder that Dave Armstrong, a guy who bans anyone who disagrees with him, thinks that others should do the same. What stops us? Well Dave, unlike religious folks, atheists aren\u2019t afraid of debate. If you show yourself to be a troll, all the better.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Ah! So I thought Seidensticker might have changed his mind<\/em> on banning me, and went to comment, \u201cAm I unbanned?!\u201d Alas,\u00a0<\/span>I received the message back from Disqus: \u201cWe are unable to post your comment because you have been banned by Cross Examined<\/em>.\u201d<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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That\u2019s what I thought. Bob banned me back in mid-August, after an extraordinary avalanche of personal attacks had taken place against me: which I was happy to document and expose<\/a> on my blog, as Example #490,108,011 of the typical \u201cAngry Atheist\u201d<\/a> verbal diarrhea behavior.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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This Beery guy seems to be under the illusion that Bob doesn\u2019t ban people. He\u2019s also wildly incorrect about my<\/em> criteria for banning. It\u2019s when people violate my simple rules for discourse<\/a>; not because they disagree. I\u2019ve reiterated this a billion times, but some folks are slow.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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There is a very active atheist on my blog threads right now who has been here for months, named \u201cAnthrotheist.\u201d<\/a> He regularly pays me compliments for good discussion, and a good environment to have discussions. He refrains from insults and is very courteous, charitable, and insightful. So there is no problem. See the five posted dialogues with him (so far: one<\/a> \/ two<\/a> \/ three<\/a> \/ four<\/a> \/ five<\/a>). Lots and lots of disagreement, but no rancor and hostility and mudslinging. How refreshing<\/em> that is!<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Jon Curry<\/a> is an atheist whom I\u2019ve known in person since at least 2010 (he\u2019s even been at my house giving talks, twice, and I gave a talk at his atheist group<\/a>). He remains active on my Facebook page (usually talking very far left politics) and hasn\u2019t been banned. I love disagreements. Thats why I have over a thousand dialogues posted on my blog: more than anyone else I\u2019ve ever seen online. I post more words of folks who oppose me on issues than anyone I know.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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I banned Bob from my blog, and I explained why at length<\/a> at the time.\u00a0<\/span>But of course he is perfectly free to respond to any of my posts about him. He can still read what I wrote and reply on his blog, if he so chooses. I just completed my 23rd in a series called \u201cSeidensticker Folly\u201d last night:\u00a0 \u201cSeidensticker Folly #23: Atheist \u2018Bible Science\u2019 Inanities, Pt. 2.\u201d\u00a0<\/a> Here are the previous 22 installments, in case some atheist (including Bob himself) works up the gumption to rationally\u00a0reply<\/em> to any of \u2019em:<\/div>\n
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I started it because, when I was still allowed on Bob\u2019s blog, he had challenged me, saying (on 8-11-18<\/a>): <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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I\u2019ve got 1000+ posts here attacking your worldview. You just going to let that stand? Or could you present a helpful new perspective that I\u2019ve ignored on one or two of those posts? . . . If I\u2019ve misunderstood the Christian position or Christian arguments, point that out. Show me where I\u2019ve mischaracterized them.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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So I began my series. It\u2019s been fun and extremely enlightening as to how this one prominent anti-theist atheist argues and tries to lie about and besmirch Christianity and the Bible.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Beery claims that \u201catheists aren\u2019t afraid of debate.\u201d<\/span> Presumably that includes Bob Seidensticker<\/a>, who is one of the most well-known and prolific atheists online. I even saw yesterday that he has done formal debates in person with prominent Christian apologists.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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But for some odd reason, he has not uttered one<\/em><\/strong> peep in reply to now 23 posts of mine that directly challenged arguments on his blog. Not.a.single<\/em>.one. Zero, zip, zilch, nada. Instead, he fires a few potshots occasionally from his perch way up in the hills, such as, for example, opining that\u00a0my alleged\u00a0\u201cdisinterest in the truth reflects poorly\u201d<\/span>\u00a0on me (from 8-24-18<\/a>). I replied: \u201cWhat are we to make, then, of\u00a0his<\/em>\u00a0utter \u2018disinterest\u2019 in\u00a0defending\u00a0his opinions against serious\u00a0critique?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Does that sound to you like he<\/em> <\/strong>isn\u2019t \u201cafraid of debate\u201d with Christians: i.e., with one who is also a professional, widely published apologist<\/a> and who has directly challenged and refuted his arguments 23 times and will continue<\/em> to do so? The scores and scores of debates posted on my Atheism and Agnosticism page<\/a> hardly suggest that I am scared to debate atheists. Seidensticker is \u201csmall fry.\u201d His arguments (if most of them are even worthy<\/em> of the description) are atrocious, terrible<\/em>, downright laughable. I\u2019ve debated at least 25 atheists who are far sharper and more honest and accurate about Christianity than he is.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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Perhaps someone who is still allowed to post at Cross Examined<\/em>\u00a0would be kind enough to inform Bob of this post. Thanks beforehand!<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
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I replied to \u201cBeery\u201d on another blog<\/a>:<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Since I\u2019m banned on Seidensticker\u2019s blog, I couldn\u2019t respond to your comment there, so here is my reply, in a new blog post. Perhaps you could be so kind as to inform Bob of it. Thanks!<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n
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If he blesses me with a response, I will be sure to post it here.<\/p>\n

Someone else<\/em><\/a> responded (MadScientist1023<\/a>):<\/p>\n

Aren\u2019t you the guy who constantly tries to pick fights with Bob Seidensticker on your blog, but then bans absolutely anyone who makes one post you disagree with? This is kind of a weird place for you to be trolling for your blog, since you would ban most readers here from posting anything.<\/span><\/p>\n

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I ban for insults and inability to engage in civil discourse<\/a>, as I have explained 492,019,836,298 times \u2014 well, come to think of it, maybe 492,019,836,299 times (to no avail).\u00a0 I have more debates with atheists<\/a> posted on my blog (with multiple thousands of their words hosted on my Catholic site) than anyone I have ever seen. If you find someone with more debates than I have, please let me know.<\/p>\n

Meanwhile, Bob still has me banned and has absolutely ignored 23 lengthy critiques of his posts, that he<\/em><\/strong> initially challenged me to undertake. That\u2019s pretty rich (and hilarious) stuff! He\u2019s perfectly free to read my critiques and reply on his blog (and then I will certainly counter-reply).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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