1 Corinthians 9:22<\/b>\u00a0I have become all things to all men, that\u00a0I might by all means save some<\/span>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n\n2 Corinthians 4:15<\/strong>\u00a0For it [his many sufferings: 4:8-12, 17] is all for your sake, so that\u00a0as grace extends to more and more people<\/span>\u00a0it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dd>\n\nEphesians 3:2\u00a0<\/b>assuming that you have heard of the\u00a0stewardship of God\u2019s grace<\/span>\u00a0that was given to me for you\u2026<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n\nEphesians 4:29<\/b>\u00a0Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is\u00a0good for edifying<\/span>, as fits the occasion,\u00a0that it may impart grace\u00a0<\/span>to those who hear.\u00a0[is not \u201cimparting grace\u201d the same as \u201cdistributing\u201d it?]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n\n1 Timothy 4:16<\/b>\u00a0Take heed to yourself and to your teaching: hold to that, for by so doing\u00a0you will save both yourself and your hearers<\/span>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dd>\n\n1 Peter 4:8b-10<\/strong>\u00a0. . . love covers a multitude of sins. Practice hospitality ungrudgingly to one another. As each has received a gift, employ it for one another,\u00a0as good stewards of God\u2019s varied grace<\/span>.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\nI wrote in that paper:<\/p>\n
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What we assert in the notion of Mary Mediatrix is that God chose Mary to play a unique role in salvation history and the application and distribution of what God alone produces, wins for us on the cross, etc. God is the Redeemer. Mary is simply a helper or chosen vessel, just as Moses or John the Baptist or Elijah or Paul or Peter or John or anyone else was. In no way does this impinge upon God\u2019s sole prerogatives because He is simply using one of His creatures for His divine purposes. No one can say that God \u201ccould not\u201d or \u201cshould not\u201d do such a thing. In other words, it is not an\u00a0a priori\u00a0<\/i>impossible concept; nor is it unbiblical in essence, as I was trying to show. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n- <\/dd>\n
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No one is denying that \u201cthe gift was given to him by or from God\u2019s grace.\u201d What is at issue is what Paul means by saying that he is a steward of grace \u201cfor\u201d the Ephesians. Paul being given the gift is not contradictory to his \u201cspreading it around,\u201d so to speak. You would say, I think, that the grace was given to preach the Word, and that was how Paul spread the grace. But just as the word can help bring one to salvation, so can also prayer, and (so Catholics and Paul elsewhere say), penance. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n
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When we pray for someone and God answers, they are blessed, and one might say that they are given more grace thereby, just as Paul often opens his epistles, \u201cgrace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ\u201d (2 Cor 1:2). Thus, everyone who prays is potentially a \u201cmini-distributor\u201d of grace. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n
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[Paul] believes it is somehow helping his flock that he suffers, not just as a sort of \u201cinspiring example\u201d (though it would certainly include that aspect) but as an actual aid for their salvation. Thus, he participates in a sense in \u201credemption.\u201d And so do we all, in an entirely secondary sense, insofar as we \u201cwork together\u201d with God. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n
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James 4:6 (\u201cmore grace\u201d) and 2 Peter 1:2 (\u201cMay grace and peace be multiplied to you . . . \u201c) imply a \u201cquantitative\u201d conception of grace which sounds very \u201cun-Protestant\u201d and very Catholic (at least to this Catholic convert who was an evangelical for 13 years). . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n
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What I was doing was making an argument from analogy: not that Mary \u201cmust\u201d be a steward, but that it is not implausible or immediately unbiblical for her to be one, given the examples from Paul. In other words, \u201cMary Mediatrix\u201d is a notion that is harmonious with biblical thought. That is a different argument (and is not claiming that biblical proofs in and of themselves are compelling or even explicit), and it is also a cumulative argument of plausibility, taking into account many different strains of Pauline thought. No one verse is conclusive, but many together form a pretty good case, like strands of a rope which come together to make a strong rope. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n
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I argue that since Protestants accept the canon of Scripture from Tradition and make\u00a0sola Scriptura<\/i>\u00a0their formal principle and rule of faith (when it cannot be proven from Scripture at all), that they are far too quick to make the accusation of unbiblical and extrabiblical, and must re-think how all that works together. . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n- <\/dd>\n
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When it comes to Mary, I was attempting to show that the\u00a0ways<\/i>\u00a0in which Catholics approach that issue are similar to other analogous strains of biblical thought. I traced one of them. This is very different for Protestants because they are accustomed to arguing only for explicit biblical proofs (in other words, they always presuppose\u00a0sola Scriptura<\/i>); otherwise, they think a discussion is worthless, and (oftentimes) \u201cunbiblical.\u201d But not being explicitly biblical and being in contradiction to Scripture and utterly foreign to its outlook and worldview are different things.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n- <\/dd>\n
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Protestants need to understand the Catholic mind insofar as we reject\u00a0sola Scriptura<\/i>. If you don\u2019t comprehend the mindset and arguments of an opponent, no good dialogue is possible. It quickly descends into two ships passing in the night, or what I call \u201cmutual monologue,\u201d because the thoughts of the other are not comprehended. And when that happens, a person simply reiterates his own view. That may be good on its own terms and in some respects, but it is not dialogue, where people both\u00a0understand\u00a0<\/i>the opposing viewpoint and\u00a0interact<\/i>\u00a0with it, rather than put it down and preach one\u2019s own view.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n- <\/dd>\n
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I am arguing that Mary Mediatrix is not a notion that is fundamentally foreign to Scripture or \u201cunbiblical\u201d or a contradiction to what we find in the Bible, etc. This is distinct from arguing that it is proved<\/em> from the Bible. I don\u2019t think that at all; nor was I arguing such a thing. I am arguing that it is not as outrageous and foreign to the biblical worldview as Protestants casually assume (with much vehemence).<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n- <\/dd>\n
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Obviously, Mariology involves much development of doctrine also: another huge topic . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n
Protestants (and Catholics who struggle with it) need to see the analogical biblical basis for this sort of thinking. The average Protestant is so turned off by the mere mention of \u201cMary as Mediatrix that he or she won\u2019t do the necessary reading to fully understand it in the first place. I can\u2019t control that; I can only give biblical, rational reasons for why I believe as I do, as a Catholic.<\/p>\n
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In my paper,\u00a0Mary Mediatrix vs. Jesus Christ the Sole Mediator?, I wrote: My argument (in the paper, Mary Mediatrix: A Biblical & Theological Primer\u00a0must not be taken to prove more than it intends to prove. It was basically an exercise in creating what I call a\u00a0plausibility structure\u00a0and to show that the notion of Mediatrix is […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":25026,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[50],"tags":[2099,1208,557,6750,3815,244,1471,1454,2582,1210,2341,1586,243,2098],"class_list":["post-25023","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-salvation-justification","tag-co-workers-with-god","tag-cooperation-with-god","tag-distribution-of-grace","tag-fellow-workers-of-god","tag-gods-fellow-workers","tag-grace","tag-grace-alone","tag-mediation","tag-mediatrix","tag-merit","tag-salvation","tag-sola-gratia","tag-soteriology-2","tag-synergism"],"yoast_head":"\n
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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. 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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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