{"id":258,"date":"2012-11-08T13:59:00","date_gmt":"2012-11-08T17:59:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2012\/11\/cult-as-a-synonym-for-heretical-sect-as-a-secondary-definition-dispute-with-a-critic.html"},"modified":"2017-05-28T17:35:14","modified_gmt":"2017-05-28T21:35:14","slug":"cult-as-synonym-for-heretical-sect-as","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2012\/11\/cult-as-synonym-for-heretical-sect-as.html","title":{"rendered":"&#8220;Cult&#8221; as a Synonym for &#8220;Heretical Sect&#8221;: Controversial?"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2012\/11\/Russell2.gif\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-5351 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2012\/11\/Russell2.gif\" alt=\"Russell2\" width=\"319\" height=\"416\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"separator\" style=\"clear: both; text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), founder of the Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses, an Arian cult,\u00a0c. 1915<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:C.T._Russell.gif\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n***<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">\n<p>(11-8-12)<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p>This came about as a result of a person reading the dedication (posted online) from my book, <i>Theology of God: Biblical, Chalcedonian Trinitarianism and Christology<\/i>. Here it is:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>To the evangelical Protestant \u201ccult watchers\u201d and \u201ccult researchers\u201d (especially the late Dr. Walter Martin): among whom I first began utilizing the Bible in order to refute non-trinitarian heresies such as Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses, <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/mormonism' target='_blank'>Mormonism<\/a>, Unitarianism, Christian Science, and the United <a href='https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/library\/pentecostal' target='_blank'>Pentecostal<\/a> Church, way back in 1981. May your \u201ctribe\u201d increase and flourish.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Someone then came into the combox for the book info-page with a gripe about how I used the word \u201ccult.\u201d He appears to be a Catholic, but markedly anti-Protestant (leading me to highly suspect that he may be a radical Catholic reactionary or quasi-schismatic Catholic, who, among other things, rejects Vatican II). But I can learn nothing else about him (as so often in these foolish disputes). The dispute follows, with his words in <span style=\"color: blue;\">blue<\/span>:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: blue;\">Since the word <i>cult<\/i> comes from the Latin <i>cultus<\/i> \u201cdivine service\u201d, shouldn\u2019t a different word be used [of] groups with divergent Christology? Like <i>heresy<\/i>, for instance? Every group is a <i>cult<\/i> in its own mind in the sense that it thinks it worships God properly, offers the correct <i>divine service<\/i>. The weirdo usage of the word <i>cult <\/i>in English to mean a group with non-standard Christology is really silly.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This is the word that the evangelicals use themselves. Since I was referring to them in the dedication, I used it. I put it in quotes and indicated that it was defined as we would define \u201cheresy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But its not an entirely foreign usage, let alone <span style=\"color: blue;\">\u201creally silly.\u201d<\/span> E.g., <a href=\"http:\/\/www.therealpresence.org\/dictionary\/adict.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>Modern Catholic Dictionary<\/i><\/a> by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., gives as a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.therealpresence.org\/dictionary\/cdict.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">secondary definition<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>a particular religious group centered around some unusual belief, generally transient in duration and featuring some exotic or imported ritual and other practices.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: blue;\">Outside usage by the uneducated and illiterate Protestant rednecks, the only two usages of the word <i>cult<\/i> that come readily to mind are scholars calling the priests \u201cthe temple cult\u201d and referring to \u201cthe cult of Mary.\u201d In neither case is the word intended as a pejorative, although redneck Prots probably read it that way. Its a back idea to let illiterate Prots design your definitions. After all, if you did that, the word <i>sovereignty<\/i> would mean micromanagement which it, of course, does not.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Sheer nonsense. Fr. Hardon was a Catholic scholar, and he contradicts you. There is a legitimate sociological use for the term in this fashion. Nor is your uncharitable characterization accurate. These are some of the most honorable and dedicated Protestants: fighting heresy and defending the Holy Trinity.<\/p>\n<p>No one has \u201cdesigned\u201d my definitions, as explained. My preferred term is \u201cheresy.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Blessed Pope John Paul II used the word \u201ccult\u201d in this secondary sense in his apostolic exhortation, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/holy_father\/john_paul_ii\/apost_exhortations\/documents\/hf_jp-ii_exh_22011999_ecclesia-in-america_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>Ecclesia in America<\/i><\/a> (22 January 1999):<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>Although the Second Vatican Council refers to all those who are baptized and believe in Christ as \u201cbrothers and sisters in the Lord\u201d, (188) it is necessary to distinguish clearly between Christian communities, with which ecumenical relations can be established, and sects, cults and other pseudo-religious movements.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Likewise, the Congregation for the Clergy: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.vatican.va\/roman_curia\/congregations\/cclergy\/documents\/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_17041998_directory-for-catechesis_en.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><i>General Directory for Catechesis<\/i> <\/a>(approved by Blessed Pope John Paul II, 11 August 1997):<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"tr_bq\"><p>201. In a climate of cultural and religious relativism, and sometime because of the inappropriate conduct of Christians, a proliferation of \u201cnew religious movements\u201d has occurred. These are sometimes called sects or cults but, because of the abundance of names and tendencies, are difficult to categorize in a comprehensive and precise framework. From available data, movements of Christian origin can be identified, while others derive from oriental religions, and others again appear to be connected with esoteric traditions. Their doctrines and their practices are of concern because they are alien to the content of the Christian faith.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: blue;\">What word does the Latin text use in those places?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>I imagine, <i>cultus<\/i>. But that\u2019s irrelevant, as words can have many meanings. Check out any dictionary to confirm that. Merriam-Webster Online, for example, gives five different uses for <i>cult<\/i>.<a href=\"http:\/\/www.merriam-webster.com\/dictionary\/cult\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> Its third<\/a> is the one we are debating: \u201ca religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also: its body of adherents.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The way <i>cult<\/i> was used in both citations I gave made it clear what was being discussed: \u201cpseudo-religious\u201d sects with non-Christian or anti-Christian elements or origins; \u201calien\u201d to Christianity.<\/p>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * * * *<\/div>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), founder of the Jehovah\u2019s Witnesses, an Arian cult,\u00a0c. 1915 [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons] *** (11-8-12) *** This came about as a result of a person reading the dedication (posted online) from my book, Theology of God: Biblical, Chalcedonian Trinitarianism and Christology. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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