{"id":25872,"date":"2018-11-07T17:32:57","date_gmt":"2018-11-07T21:32:57","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=25872"},"modified":"2018-11-07T17:32:57","modified_gmt":"2018-11-07T21:32:57","slug":"left-wing-new-pro-lifers-are-also-pro-life-duh","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/11\/left-wing-new-pro-lifers-are-also-pro-life-duh.html","title":{"rendered":"Left-Wing &#8220;New Pro-Lifers&#8221; Are Also Pro-Life (DUH!)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-25878\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2018\/11\/ProLifeDemonstration.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\"><\/p>\n<p>A left-wing pro-lifer is a thing to discuss in and of itself (and I do quite often). I\u2019m critical of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/themackerelsnapper\/2016\/10\/24\/what-the-new-pro-life-movement-stands-for\/?fbclid=IwAR1cydT96JvXWbVSDQGl5W5QS77fv580ZQ2MEMFsU3cViZhuvhsrGQna6t0\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">new pro-life movement<\/a>\u00a0(NPLM) in <em>many<\/em> ways (mostly when its adherents try to run down other pro-lifers, and who they vote for), and have repeatedly written about it in no uncertain terms. Here, however, I\u2019m making the basic point that they are pro-life, which some folks want to deny.<\/p>\n<p>They have as much right to start a sub-movement with certain specific goals, as any other pro-life group has or has had. One could say about each one, \u201cwhy do we need another one?\u201d In any event, a left-wing \u201cnew pro-lifer\u201d \/ seamless garment advocate \/ \u201cwhole-lifer\u201d is still undeniably among the species of pro-lifers, and it\u2019s not intrinsically a denial of Catholic orthodoxy, either, for that matter.<\/p>\n<p>Some may be personally heterodox, but it doesn\u2019t follow inexorably from the leftist Catholic pro-life outlook.<\/p>\n<p>Perhaps they may be inconsistent regarding some aspects of the life issue (that\u2019s arguable, and I do argue it myself). So, for example, we pro-lifers might note that George W. Bush and his father: elder President Bush were inconsistently pro-life, in that they allowed abortion in the cases of rape and incest. I have noted that my friend, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/suspendedinherjar\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Rebecca Bratten Weiss<\/a>: a leading figure in NPLM, is more pro-life than all Republican Presidents (and losing candidates) in recent memory, who all accepted exceptions for rape and incest.<\/p>\n<p>The babies killed in such cases (as consistent pro-lifers always contend) are no less innocent than any other, and deserve no less right-to-life. But we don\u2019t deny that these two Presidents were pro-life, or call them pro-abortionists as a result. The latter charge is exponentially more serious.<\/p>\n<p>We\u2019re told that rape or incest accounts for about 2% of abortions. So in one year in the US, that is roughly 20,000 abortions. All who favor these exceptions are thus favoring the number of deaths at 9-11 x 6.67, every year, or 55 abortions per day, average. If such a President is in office four years he has favored the amount of child murders that roughly equal the deaths at Hiroshima (low estimate) or Nagasaki (high estimate).<\/p>\n<p>The more pro-lifers divide amongst themselves on the basis of mere politics, the more victory the devil achieves. We know better than this, but as usual, we choose to act like fools and ignorant dupes of Satan, by allowing him to divide us and thus render us far less effectual and salt and light to our dying society.<\/p>\n<p>See <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/11\/life-issues-abortion-euthanasia.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">my many writings<\/a> on the pro-life issue.<\/p>\n<p>I replied to a woman who was defending abortion in the case of rape:<\/p>\n<p>If you or I were the child conceived in rape and here comes the vacuum cleaner or forceps to crush our skull, or saline solution to scald us to death, I think we would feel a lot differently. I think that is <em>all<\/em> preborn babies\u2019 perspectives.\u00a0They all want to live and all have a right to live. And they have every much right to be protected as any of us.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s easy to make an argument if you simply forget all about the baby\u2019s perspective and only talk about the mother. But it\u2019s <strong><em>not<\/em><\/strong> just the mother involved.\u00a0Rape is extraordinarily horrific and pregnancy as a result, traumatic and excruciating. But the baby remains what it is: a human being and a person who had no say in how he or she was conceived. And the baby is as much the mother\u2019s child as any of her children are, since every child has only half of its DNA from either parent.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>(originally 9-20-17)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong><\/span> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/utsfl\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">University of Toronto Students for Life<\/a> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">(11-17-09)<\/span> [<a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/utsfl\/4113697188\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Flickr<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/2.0\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">CC BY-SA 2.0<\/a> license]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A left-wing pro-lifer is a thing to discuss in and of itself (and I do quite often). I\u2019m critical of the new pro-life movement\u00a0(NPLM) in many ways (mostly when its adherents try to run down other pro-lifers, and who they vote for), and have repeatedly written about it in no uncertain terms. Here, however, I\u2019m [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":25878,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[81],"tags":[84,3390,88,3391,1021,4164,2092,2093,756,4166,353,600,2076,3453,4165,4927,4930,1254,4933,397,1255,2090,2088,747,746,3416,2091],"class_list":["post-25872","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-life-issues","tag-abortion","tag-bible-abortion","tag-childkilling","tag-christianity-abortion","tag-conservatism","tag-conservatives","tag-fetal-development","tag-fetus","tag-infanticide","tag-left-wing-pro-lifers","tag-liberalism","tag-liberals","tag-murder","tag-new-pro-life-movement","tag-new-pro-lifers","tag-nplm","tag-oplm","tag-personhood","tag-poor","tag-poverty","tag-preborn-child","tag-prenatal","tag-pro-abortion","tag-pro-choice","tag-pro-life","tag-pro-lifers","tag-unborn-child"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>Left-Wing &quot;New Pro-Lifers&quot; 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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