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[I wrote this on Karl Keating\u2019s Facebook page, where he put up a popular piece about foul language]<\/p>\n

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Ephesians 4:29<\/strong> (RSV)\u00a0Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for\u00a0<\/b>edifying, as fits the occasion, that it may impart grace to those who hear.<\/p>\n

Luke 6:45<\/strong>\u00a0The good man out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure produces evil; for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.<\/p>\n

Matthew 15:10-11, 18-20<\/strong> And he called the people to him and said to them, \u201cHear and understand:\u00a0[11] not what goes into the mouth defiles a man, but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.\u201d . . . [18] But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a man.\u00a0[19] For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.\u00a0[20] These are what defile a man; . . . \u201c<\/p>\n

James 3:8-11\u00a0<\/strong>but no human being can tame the tongue \u2014 a restless evil, full of deadly poison.\u00a0[9] With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the likeness of God.\u00a0[10] From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brethren, this ought not to be so.\u00a0[11] Does a spring pour forth from the same opening fresh water and brackish?<\/p>\n

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I think a lot of this is a generational discussion. I\u2019m a late baby boomer (1958). It seems like in my own generation (notwithstanding Woodstock, etc.) we at least retained some sense of not talking a certain way in mixed company, or with family. That\u2019s precisely why it was called \u201clocker room talk\u201d or \u201cgutter language.\u201d It was understood that it was reserved<\/em>\u00a0for the locker room (i.e., segregated by gender), or the gutter, or the bar at midnight, or the all-male poker games, or the stereotypical \u201cconstruction workers,\u201d etc.<\/p>\n

That has been systematically broken down through movies, music, and now social media. People under, say, 40 (hard to say where the \u2018line\u201d is) have grown up in a world where indiscriminate coarse language among both men and women, is perfectly commonplace, in almost all social situations.<\/p>\n

I used to marvel, way back in the early 90s, how a woman I worked with when I did deliveries (maybe ten years younger than I) used to swear like a sailor: literally every sentence. To me, that was equal parts scandalous and stupid. For her, it was perfectly \u201cnormal\u201d and natural. And that\u2019s now 25 years ago. It\u2019s gotten exponentially worse since then.<\/p>\n

We\u2019re now seeing an expected, natural progression of this thought into Catholic (and larger Christian) circles, and that is what has been causing controversy over the last few years. Oftentimes, younger folks see no problem with it whatever, whereas us old fogey boomers can be found defending what we think is a more traditional Catholic view regarding language, cussing, etc.<\/p>\n

If one thinks the language is perfectly unobjectionable, then they will think it\u2019s necessary even in evangelism, so that we are \u201cbeing all things to all people.\u201d But that doesn\u2019t follow, as I touched upon in one of my \u201ctrilogy\u201d of articles on the topic:<\/p>\n

Cussing Women, Chivalry, Etc.<\/a>\u00a0[8-24-16]<\/p>\n

Salty Language = Being \u201cSalt\u201d?<\/a>\u00a0(+ extensive\u00a0Facebook discussion<\/a>) [8-26-16]<\/p>\n

Simcha Fisher, Swearing, St. Paul, & Evangelizing<\/a>\u00a0[2-1-17]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

To be in the world but not of it, is not to be besmirched with all its mud up to our necks.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s my $00.02, anyway, for what it\u2019s worth. I do often observe and write about societal trends: some continuing influence from my old sociology degree.<\/p>\n

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Further comments of mine from the original Facebook combox:<\/p>\n

We can have views of the relative severity of sins or possible sins. This applies to issues of \u201cproper\u201d language as well.<\/p>\n

All swearing, of whatever type (and I agree, there are important distinctions) is about breaking social conventions and being nonconformist. But of course those conventions and norms are always changing, and that is the problem we have today. The goalposts have been moved.\u00a0My own norm is now not the norm of many of my readers: especially younger ones.<\/p>\n

To many folks today, it\u2019s \u201cnot a big deal at all.\u201d To others, brought up differently, and believing (as Karl Keating notes) that they are being obedient to Church teaching, it remains a big deal and a scandal.<\/p>\n

Being tolerant of it in others in one thing; using it in the company of those whom it offends is quite another.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

I don\u2019t think people who swear a lot are necessarily evil and wicked. I\u2019m not going around judging people and looking down my nose. But I think they will likely be \u201crelentlessly discourteous\u201d towards those whom it offends; who don\u2019t want to hear it.<\/p>\n

That is a large part of my point. Increasingly, we don\u2019t care about what those around us think: especially more traditional folks. They\u2019re just \u201cold-fashioned\u201d \/ old fogeys; not \u201cwith it.\u201d<\/p>\n

And yet our liberal overlords today have this illusion that society is so much more \u201ctolerant\u201d than it used to be.<\/p>\n

***<\/p>\n

I also think the daily attacks and lies<\/em> about President Trump are far more offensive than the alternate for \u201cpoop\u201d etc. The first is a mortal sin (bearing false witness), whereas the second is the language of Shakespeare and St. Thomas More.<\/p>\n

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\u201cBad words\u201d are whatever society determines are bad words, through social convention: mostly as a result of connotation of \/ association with \u201clow life\u201d or immorality etc.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

The problem and difficulty today is that these conventions and norms are changing fairly rapidly. Certainly within my lifetime things are vastly different.<\/p>\n

The faster things change, the more confused people are, as to how they should act (and talk).<\/p>\n

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(originally 1-27-18 on Facebook)<\/p>\n

Photo credit:<\/strong><\/span>\u00a0Clker-Free-Vector-Images\u00a0<\/a>(4-4-14)<\/span> [Pixabay<\/a> \/\u00a0CC0 Creative Commons<\/a>\u00a0license]<\/p>\n

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