{"id":30223,"date":"2019-03-01T14:10:06","date_gmt":"2019-03-01T18:10:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=30223"},"modified":"2019-03-11T11:27:44","modified_gmt":"2019-03-11T15:27:44","slug":"debate-antichrist-traitor-trump-cohens-testiphony","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/03\/debate-antichrist-traitor-trump-cohens-testiphony.html","title":{"rendered":"Debate: Antichrist Traitor Trump & Cohen’s Testiphony"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<\/head>

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Exchange with my friend, the esteemed Deacon Steven D. Greydanus<\/a>, from my Facebook page<\/a>. His words will be in blue<\/span>.<\/p>\n

*****<\/p>\n

\u201cI surround myself with the best people. I know the best people.\u201d \u2014 the president with the highest turnover rate in modern history, including five former advisers who have pleaded guilty<\/span><\/p>\n

Are you still in the ranks of the Gospel-denying \u201cChristianist\u201d followers of antichrist GOP, or have you departed to an irrelevant 3rd party by now?<\/p>\n

Who cares who I voted for? The topic du jour<\/em> is just how good the president is at surrounding himself with the best people, like his personal lawyer and fixer for over a dozen years, whom your meme savages as a ridiculous liar.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

So I\u2019m to understand that this is what Mueller\u2019s investigation has amounted to after two years: no Russian collusion at all, but only nailing Trump aides: none of whom implicate him in the slightest re: \u201cRussian collusion\u201d? Truth is stranger than fiction, ain\u2019t it?<\/p>\n

The Dems and their allies, the Never Rational Never Trumpers are now reduced to salivating over a betraying self-interested liar like Cohen, who goes to jail anytime now. Even he<\/em><\/strong> confirms that the Russian connection is nonexistent<\/a>.<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t know if y\u2019all are more pathetic or funny. It\u2019s hard to choose. By now Trump was supposed to have been removed from office as a treasonous scumbag (and\/or, madman). How the mighty have fallen. We have memories about what was said (and hoped and wished for) over the last two years. We weren\u2019t born yesterday.<\/p>\n

Lots of words there that might or might not be put in my mouth. Few of them anything I\u2019ve ever said. Cheers!<\/span><\/p>\n

I\u2019m ecstatic to have voted for Trump, seeing what he has accomplished [289 good things, listed in one article<\/a>]. I\u2019ve never been happier about a vote of mine: more than even Reagan. In his first two years of office there was still a recession (alas, recovering from the catastrophe of Carter). I was unemployed, right out of college: couldn\u2019t find a job to save my life.<\/p>\n

We saved the Supreme Court; the economy\u2019s rolling. He has done more for the pro-life cause<\/a> than any President since Roe, and many other good things. So I am very happy about his performance indeed.<\/p>\n

I never claimed to be voting for a saint. Nor am I aware that any President has been one.<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s see where we are in 10 years.<\/span><\/p>\n

I wonder how many of the 289 you would even agree with (or admit that you did).<\/p>\n

Well,\u00a0Dave, a complete answer to that question would probably involve a taxonomy something like this:<\/span><\/p>\n

1. Good things that are rightly credited to Trump, or that Trump can take at least some credit for<\/span>
\n2. Good things that happened that Trump can\u2019t really take credit for<\/span>
\n3. Exaggerated, false, or misleading claims about things that either didn\u2019t happen at all or aren\u2019t really positive accomplishments as advertised<\/span><\/p>\n

To be complete, we would also have to consider\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

4. Harm Trump has inflicted on the country, the GOP, the pro-life movement, and the world<\/span><\/p>\n

But that would be way too much work. I came here with a specific goal: responding to your ridicule of Cohen by pointing out that Cohen is on Trump, who hired him 13 years ago, and so is Trump\u2019s record-breaking turnover rate and the indictments and guilty pleas so far.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Jesus \u201chired\u201d a betraying rat, too, named Judas. The person He built His Church upon denied under pressure that he even knew Him (but at least he repented later). Washington probably hired traitor Benedict Arnold at some point. We\u2019ve all had experience of betrayal. I certainly have. You have not? If you have, was it your fault?<\/p>\n

[he \u201cresponded\u201d with a gif of Kim Jong Un clapping]<\/p>\n

It\u2019s right in the center of what you\u2019re driving at: does a person always (undoubtedly) have responsibility for an associate who has betrayed them? I say that they usually do not. But you\u2019re not interested in getting to the heart of the matter of what you charge.<\/p>\n

That\u2019s fine. Just so my readers know the failed tactics you are trying to employ here. . . . You go do your Deacon duties and excellent film criticism and I\u2019ll get back to apologetics. God bless!<\/p>\n

You\u2019re deliberately not getting the point, of course. Cohen is hardly a fluke. Trump has been \u201cbetrayed\u201d over and over and over. Maybe the problem is he trusts and admires the wrong people. Like Kim Jung Un, whom Trump admires as a \u201creal leader,\u201d taking him \u201cat his word\u201d on the mistreatment and death of Otto Warmbier. Like the Saudi Crown Prince, whom he bent over backwards to credit on his claim that he had no involvement in the death of Jamal Khashoggi. Like Putin, whom Trump admires as \u201cvery, very strong,\u201d and whose word on assassinations and election meddling Trump accepted, until he didn\u2019t (reluctantly).<\/span><\/p>\n

I think I am<\/em><\/strong> getting to the point, thank you. And you are \u201cdeliberately\u201d avoiding what I think are quite relevant observations of mine. But that just shows how weak your overall case here is, so that\u2019s fine with me.<\/p>\n

Others who have\u00a0been nailed on various charges, like Stone and Manafort, are not \u201csinging\u201d and betraying Trump like Cohen has: even though they have been treated abominably in a legal sense: as acknowledged by Prof. Dershowitz and many others. Many who have left or were dismissed from cabinet or adviser positions (like, e.g., Bannon and Lewandowski and Dr. Gorka and Nikki Haley) are not trashing him at all. They continue to support him.<\/p>\n

Cohen is fairly unique. He\u2019s a scumbag. But every administration has \u201cdisgruntled\u201d people like this who are either out to save their own skin or want to make a bunch of money with \u201ctell-all\u201d book contracts, etc. Cohen has had his fifteen minutes of fame. Now he\u2019s off to jail.<\/p>\n

[Deacon Steven replied with links to articles about Steve Bannon<\/a>, about Jeff Sessions, Cohen, and betrayal<\/a>\u00a0(from CNN), and the Saudis<\/a> (from AP) ]<\/p>\n

***<\/p>\n

Photo credit:<\/span><\/strong>\u00a0Anthony Ross<\/a>\u00a0(5-9-18): Michael Cohen<\/span> [Flickr<\/a> \/ CC BY 2.0<\/a> license]<\/p>\n

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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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