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Apostles Paul and Silas, Kings David and Saul, Prophets Daniel and Samuel, Patriarch Joseph<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

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Acts 16:29-31<\/strong><\/span> (RSV) And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before [prospipto<\/i>]<\/span> Paul and Silas<\/span>, [30] and brought them out and said, \u201cMen, what must I do to be saved?\u201d [31] And they said, \u201cBelieve in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.\u201d<\/p>\n

Paul and Silas issue no rebuke or clarification: that they were but men.\u00a0Proskuneo<\/i>\u00a0doesn\u2019t appear (the word that would prove it was attempted worship or adoration). This is, then, arguably an instance of veneration<\/em> of Paul and Silas, due to the supernatural event that showed them to be very special men.\u00a0Prospipto<\/i>\u00a0is also used of worship of Jesus in five passages (Mk 3:11; 5:33; 7:25; Lk 8:28, 47). But where\u00a0men<\/i>\u00a0are involved, the meaning is honor, or veneration.<\/span><\/p>\n

1 Chronicles 29:20<\/strong><\/span> Then David said to all the assembly, \u201cBless the LORD your God.\u201d And all the assembly blessed the LORD, the God of their fathers, and bowed their heads, and worshiped [shachah<\/em><\/a>] the LORD, and did obeisance<\/span> [shachah<\/em><\/a>] to the king<\/span>. [KJV: \u201cworshipped the LORD, and the king\u201d; shachah<\/em> = Strong\u2019s word #7812<\/a>]<\/p>\n

Daniel 2:46-48<\/strong><\/span> Then King Nebuchadnez\u2019zar fell upon his face, and did homage to [cegid<\/em><\/a>]<\/span> Daniel,<\/span>\u00a0[KJV: \u201cworshipped Daniel\u201d] and commanded that an offering and incense be offered up to him. [47] The king said to Daniel, \u201cTruly, your God is God of gods and Lord of kings, and a revealer of mysteries, for you have been able to reveal this mystery.\u201d [48] Then the king gave Daniel high honors<\/span> and many great gifts,<\/p>\n

The king was venerating or honoring God\u00a0through<\/i>\u00a0Daniel, as is evident by his words. This is the sort of principle elaborated even by Martin Luther: \u201cThus, too, I would solve the question about adoring and invoking God dwelling in the saints. It is a matter of liberty, and it is not necessary either to do it or not to do it. To be sure, it is not so certain that God has His dwelling in many men as that He is present in the sacrament, but we do read in I Corinthians [footnote: 1 Cor 14:24-25] that an unbeliever will fall on his face and worship God in the saints, if he hears them prophesying; . . . what do we do when we \u201cprefer one another in honor,\u201d except honor and adore God in ourselves? Let it be free, then, to call upon God in man or out of man, in creatures or out of them, for \u201cI fill heaven and earth,\u201d saith the Lord.\u201d (Letter to Paul Speratus, 13 June 1522)<\/span><\/p>\n

Genesis 42:6<\/strong>\u00a0<\/span>Now Joseph was governor over the land; he it was who sold to all the people of the land. And Joseph\u2019s brothers came, and\u00a0<\/em>bowed themselves [shachah<\/a>]<\/em><\/span><\/span>\u00a0<\/em>before him\u00a0with their faces to the ground.<\/p>\n

Genesis 43:26-28<\/strong><\/span>\u00a0\u00a0When Joseph came home, they brought into the house to him the present which they had with them, and bowed down [shachah<\/em><\/a>]<\/span> to him to the ground<\/span>.\u00a0[27] And he inquired about their welfare, and said, \u201cIs your father well, the old man of whom you spoke? Is he still alive?\u201d\u00a0[28] They said, \u201cYour servant our father is well, he is still alive.\u201d And they bowed their heads and made obeisance [shachah<\/em><\/a>]<\/span><\/span>.<\/p>\n

1 Samuel 28:14<\/b><\/span>\u00a0. . . And Saul knew that it was Samuel, and he bowed<\/span> [qadad<\/i>] with his face to the ground, and did obeisance<\/span> [shachah<\/em><\/a>]<\/span><\/span>.<\/p>\n

1 Samuel 24:8<\/strong><\/span>\u00a0Afterward David also arose, and went out of the cave, and called after Saul, \u201cMy lord the king!\u201d And when Saul looked behind him, David bowed with his face to the earth, and did obeisance<\/span> [shachah<\/em><\/a>]<\/span><\/span>.<\/p>\n

1 Kings 1:16, 31<\/span><\/strong>\u00a0Bathshe\u2019ba bowed and did obeisance<\/span> [shachah<\/em><\/a>]\u00a0<\/span><\/span>to the king, . . . [31]\u00a0Then Bathshe\u2019ba bowed with her face to the ground, and did obeisance<\/span> [KJV: \u201cdid reverence] [shachah<\/em><\/a>]\u00a0<\/span><\/span>to the king, and said, \u201cMay my lord King David live for ever!\u201d<\/p>\n

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Related Reading:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Bible on Veneration of Saints & Angels: John Calvin\u2019s Antipathy to Veneration of Saints and Angels vs. Explicit Biblical Evidences of Same<\/a>\u00a0[10-1-12]<\/span><\/div>\n
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Biblical Evidence for Veneration of Saints\u00a0<\/a>[2013]<\/span>
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\nVenerating & Bowing Before Angels & Men: Biblical?<\/a>\u00a0[11-10-14]<\/span><\/div>\n
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\nNew (?) Analogical Biblical Argument for Veneration of the Saints and Angels from the Prohibition\u00a0of Blasphemy of the Same\u00a0<\/a>\u00a0[8-8-15]<\/span>
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Bible on the Veneration of Angels & Men<\/a>\u00a0[9-10-15]<\/span><\/div>\n
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\u201cArmstrong vs. Geisler\u201d #8: Veneration; Bowing to Creatures<\/a>\u00a0[3-2-17]<\/span>
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The Veneration of Angels and Men is Biblical<\/a>\u00a0[National Catholic Register<\/em>, 8-24-17]<\/span>
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Biblical Evidence for Veneration of Saints and Images<\/a>\u00a0[National Catholic Register<\/em>, 10-23-18]<\/span><\/div>\n

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(originally 5-20-17 on Facebook; greatly expanded on 3-4-19)<\/p>\n

Photo credit:<\/strong> Joseph Recognized by His Brothers<\/em> (1863), by L\u00e9on Pierre Urbain Bourgeois (1842-1911)<\/span> [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n

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Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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