{"id":33014,"date":"2019-05-16T13:46:45","date_gmt":"2019-05-16T17:46:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=33014"},"modified":"2019-05-16T13:48:54","modified_gmt":"2019-05-16T17:48:54","slug":"catholic-social-teaching-myself-brief-clarification","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/05\/catholic-social-teaching-myself-brief-clarification.html","title":{"rendered":"Catholic Social Teaching &#038; Myself: Brief Clarification"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-33017\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2019\/05\/CharityActsOf.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"496\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">[initially a reaction to criticisms made by those of various political persuasions, on my Facebook page]<\/p>\n<p>The Catholic Church is not officially pacifist (i.e., opposed to all wars or use of lethal force whatsoever, for any reason). It acknowledges the God-given prerogative of states to bear the sword (CCC #2308) and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/01\/pacifism-vs-just-war-biblical-social-factors.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">details the criteria of just war<\/a> (2309-2310). Of course we try to avoid war, as we are strongly urged by the Church to do (2308, 2327). But it\u2019s not always possible in an evil world.<\/p>\n<p>Thus, Catholics can\u2019t argue that support for any war effort whatever is intrinsically contrary to Catholic social teaching. Good Catholics and honest, informed men can differ in good faith on particulars regarding armed conflict. Catholics are allowed to argue for war in particular instances, according to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/10\/permissibility-of-just-war-section-196.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">just war criteria<\/a> \u2014 war is not intrinsically evil in every case.<\/p>\n<p>Taking out Iran\u2019s nuclear plant, for example, is not intrinsically evil at all. It is the opposition to quite possible mass murder and annihilation of cities: a measure that is quite agreeable with Catholic teaching. It\u2019s not targeting populations, but rather, nuclear power plants (which is not the same as exploding a nuclear bomb over a city).<\/p>\n<p>Some political critics of mine claim that I write with little or no knowledge of Catholic social teaching. This is sheer nonsense. I have, for example, written extensively on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/03\/nuclear-bombing-of-japan-vs-just-war-ethics-part-i.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the evil of our nuclear bombing of Japan<\/a>. This raised such a fuss that I actually lost a friend over it, and he uttered more bitter, slanderous words against me (all in public) than even the most virulent anti-Catholic Protestants ever have. I\u2019ve also critiqued other immoral actions in World War II, such as carpet bombing of cities.<\/p>\n<p>I have written publicly that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/08\/america-wickedest-nation-ever.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">the United States is the wickedest nation in world history<\/a> due to abortion: hardly a typical conservative perspective. And I first stated that shortly after 9-11, and said that this could possibly be the beginning of judgment for the US. I caught tremendous hell for that. In other words, I am not guilty of the Americanist heresy of (among other things) glorifying America over against the Church. I\u2019m not \u201cmore American than Catholic,\u201d or \u201cmore politically conservative than Catholic.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I have written about a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/01\/catholic-third-way-socio-political-thought.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Catholic \u201cthird way\u201d<\/a> that is ultimately neither conservative nor liberal.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve critiqued corporate capitalism in no uncertain terms and have stated that I like distributism [I publicly stated that I was a distributist a year and nine months after this paper] and subsidiarity. I have<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2013\/11\/jeremiad-against-libertarianism-or-at.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> severely critiqued libertarianism<\/a>, that is often rampant in conservative circles, as a quite insufficiently Catholic political philosophy. I have argued for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/02\/biblical-evidence-against-tithing.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">progressive almsgiving<\/a> (i.e., rich people give a lot more, by percentage) rather than a straight 10% rate (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/mandatory-tithing-further-thoughts.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201ctithing\u201d<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve written a lot about the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/03\/jimi-hendrix-taught-us-about-a-colorblind-society.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">great evil of racism<\/a>, and condemned it in no uncertain terms.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve outlined the nuanced <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/05\/catholic-churchs-wise-views-on-illegal-immigration.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Catholic perspective on illegal immigration<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I oppose the death penalty, except in the very worst case scenarios, such as terrorism or mass murderers [In December 2017 I announced that I was persuaded to be\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/12\/capital-punishment-ive-changed-my-mind.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">against the death penalty in <em>all<\/em> cases<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>Many of these things are not \u201cconservative\u201d emphases at all, or at least not prominent \u201ctalking points.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We can disagree in good faith without the condescending descriptions of each others\u2019 views. I was with an old Baptist friend of mine on New Year\u2019s Day who is a democratic socialist in politics. We get along fine. We have respect for each other. I have homosexual friends, atheist friends, Muslim friends, tons of Protestant friends, people of all kinds of political persuasions and ethnic groups. I get along with anyone. I allow any viewpoint to be expressed on my Facebook page or my blog, as long as it is charitable and civil.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t claim to be any sort of expert at all on Catholic social teaching. I have many other things that I am far more focused on, as an apologist (doctrinal and theological, rather than social). I readily grant that many Catholics know a lot more than I do about it in very many particulars.<\/p>\n<p>What I take strong exception to, however, is the claim that I am rejecting Catholic social teaching (or am grossly ignorant of it altogether) simply because I take what are regarded as \u201cconservative\u201d views on some issues (I would classify it as \u201cprogressive conservatism\u201d), such as broad foreign policy and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2016\/01\/catholic-compassion-beggars-on-the-street.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">ways to improve the lot of the poor and underprivileged<\/a>. Not true at all . . .<\/p>\n<p>And arguably, sometimes such critics can be said to be (at least in some respects) \u201cmore politically liberal than Catholic.\u201d Certainly, those who vote for pro-abortion politicians (given a choice of a pro-lifer) are acting in such a manner in that respect.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Related Reading:<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20150607051228\/http:\/\/socrates58.blogspot.com\/2009\/03\/random-thoughts-on-catholic-social.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Random Thoughts on Catholic Social Teaching<\/a>\u00a0[3-13-09]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/02\/dialogue-conservatives-old-pro-lifers-poor.html\" target=\"_blank\">Dialogue: Conservatives &amp; \u201cOld\u201d Pro-Lifers &amp; the Poor<\/a>\u00a0[10-3-16]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/08\/conservative-passionate-social-justice.html\" target=\"_blank\"><em>This<\/em>\u00a0\u201cConservative\u201d is\u00a0<em>Very<\/em>\u00a0Passionate About Social Justice<\/a>\u00a0[8-31-17]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2018\/06\/robert-f-kennedy-how-democrats-used-to-be.html\" target=\"_blank\">Robert F. Kennedy &amp; How Democrats Used to Be<\/a>\u00a0[6-7-18]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>(originally 1-3-12)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Photo credit:<\/strong> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><em>The Seven Acts of Charity<\/em>, by\u00a0Pieter Brueghel the Younger (1564-1638)<\/span> [public domain \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Pieter_il_Giovane_Bruegel_The_Seven_Acts_of_Charity.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[initially a reaction to criticisms made by those of various political persuasions, on my Facebook page] The Catholic Church is not officially pacifist (i.e., opposed to all wars or use of lethal force whatsoever, for any reason). 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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