{"id":34287,"date":"2019-06-18T12:15:17","date_gmt":"2019-06-18T16:15:17","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=34287"},"modified":"2019-06-18T12:15:17","modified_gmt":"2019-06-18T16:15:17","slug":"scientific-empiricist-church-fathers-to-augustine-d-430","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/06\/scientific-empiricist-church-fathers-to-augustine-d-430.html","title":{"rendered":"Scientific &#038; Empiricist Church Fathers: To Augustine (d. 430)"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-34290\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2019\/06\/Front-548x904.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"523\" height=\"768\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">From my 2010 book,\u00a0<em><a class=\"decorated-link decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2010\/10\/books-by-dave-armstrong-science-and.html\" target=\"_blank\">Science and Christianity: Close Partners or Mortal Enemies?<\/a><\/em>\u00a0(pp. 19-28). Follow the link for book and purchase information: available for as low as $2.99. I have not checked all the links. Some may be defunct after nine years. Generally, Amazon, Google Books, and Wikipedia links are pretty stable and unchanging.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">[New Introduction] Many people (particularly atheists) seem to have this notion that the early Church and the Church fathers were hostile to empirical inquiry, the study of processes of the natural world, and science (such as it existed at all in those times), and even lacked intellectual curiosity about such matters. The \u201cdark ages\u201d (so we are told) was supposedly caused by Christianity (another huge and ridiculous myth). The historical truth is quite otherwise, as I shall show in this paper and a follow-up one.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Christians and Church fathers were as \u201cscientific\u201d as anyone else (if not much <em>more<\/em> so), and certainly we could find much error and folly among the pagan thinkers of this period: if anyone is inclined to do a fair-minded comparison. Atheists are too often inclined to highlight the scientific errors of historic Christians and the truths held by pagans and non-Christians (in other words, a double standard presentation). I\u2019m in favor of highlighting the whole truth and nothing but the truth, rather than doing a silly, cynical selective analysis specifically designed to make Christians look like anti-scientific troglodyte ignoramuses.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">In a momentous move, Clement of Alexandria (ca. 150-ca. 215) and his disciple Origen of Alexandria (ca. 185-ca. 254) laid down the basic approach that others would follow. Greek philosophy was neither inherently good nor bad, but was one or the other depending on how it was used by Christians. . . . Philosophy and science could be studied as \u201chandmaidens to theology\u201d . . . The handmaiden concept of Greek learning was widely adopted and became the standard Christian attitude toward secular learning. That Christians chose to accept pagan learning within limits was a momentous decision. . . . Their education was heavily infiltrated by Latin and Greek pagan literature and philosophy. . . . Christians realized that they could not turn their backs on Greek learning. (Edward Grant, <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Foundations-Modern-Science-Middle-Ages\/dp\/0521567629\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1280301702&amp;sr=1-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages: Their Religious, Institutional and Intellectual Contexts<\/span> <\/a><\/em>[Cambridge, 1996],<a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=8wd6iPChCQgC&amp;pg=PA3&amp;dq=%2522church+fathers%2522+science,+OR+scientific,+OR+observation,+OR+experiment,+OR+empiricism&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=e-xaTPLlAtCKnQeDkNzuAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=9&amp;ved=0CFgQ6AEwCDgU#v=on%20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\"> pp. 3-4<\/span><\/a>)<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">On a spectrum of <em>pagan<\/em> values, from cosmic religion to Gnostic repudiation of the cosmos, the church fathers chose a middle position. There can be no doubt that biblical teaching about the creation as God\u2019s handiwork was influential in determining where on the spectrum Christians would\u00a0land, and therefore it is clear that their Christianity was highly relevant to the issue . . . It seems unlikely, therefore, that the advent of Christianity did anything to diminish the support given to scientific activity or the number of people involved in it. (David Lindberg, in Lindberg and Ronald Numbers, editors, <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/God-Nature-Historical-Encounter-Christianity\/dp\/0520056922\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1280302292&amp;sr=1-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">God and Nature: Historical Essays on the Encounter Between Christianity and Science<\/span><\/a> <\/em>[Univ. of California Press, 1986], <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=hs2edDIGCqEC&amp;dq=God+and+Nature:+Historical+Essays+on+the+Encounter+between+Christianity+and+Science&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bn&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=NVtaTKbuE9ntnQeP-OyOAw&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5&amp;ved=0CCcQ6%20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">pp. 32-33<\/span><\/a>)<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">Other historians have pointed out that although the Church Fathers subordinated the claims of science to the demands of faith, they rarely rejected Greco-Roman science and philosophy outright. . . . The dominant position was somewhere between that of Tertullian and Gregory [Nazianzus]: science and human reason in general were useful to the Christian as long as knowledge about the natural world never supplanted love of God or contradicted the tenets of religious belief. (Elspeth Whitney, <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Medieval-Science-Technology-Greenwood-Historic\/dp\/0313325197\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1281045054&amp;sr=1-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Medieval Science and Technology<\/span><\/a><\/em> [Greenwood, 2004], <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=MXxL9QoD-5kC&amp;pg=PA5&amp;dq=%2522church+fathers%2522+science,+OR+scientific,+OR+observation,+OR+experiment,+OR+empiricism&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=8-paTMCgMtKGnQff84HYAg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=5&amp;ved=0CEQQ6AEwBA#v=onep%20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">p. 5<\/span><\/a>)<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">[T]he vast majority of Christian leaders looked favorably on the Greco-Roman medical tradition, viewing it as a divine gift, an aspect of divine providence, the use of which was legitimate and perhaps even obligatory. Basil of Caesarea (ca. 330-79) spoke for many of the church fathers when he\u00a0wrote that \u201cwe must take great care to employ this medical art, if it should be necessary . . .\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">[H]ow did the presence and influence of the Christian church affect knowledge of, and attitudes toward, nature? The standard answer, developed in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries and widely propagated in the twentieth, maintains that Christianity presented serious obstacles to the advancement of science and, indeed, sent the scientific enterprise into a tailspin from which it did not recover for more than a thousand years. The truth, as we shall see, is dramatically different, far more complicated, and a great deal more interesting. . .<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">Naturally enough, the kind and level of education and intellectual effort favored by the church fathers was that which supported the mission of the church as they perceived it. But this mission, interestingly, did not include the suppression of scientific investigations and ideas.<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">If we compare the early church with a modern research university or the National Science Foundation, the church will prove to have failed abysmally as a supporter of science and natural philosophy. But such a comparison is obviously unfair. If, instead, we compare the support given to the study of nature by the early church with the support available from any other contemporary social institution, it will become apparent that the church was the major patron of scientific learning. Its patronage may have been limited and selective, but limited and selective patronage is a far cry from opposition.<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">The contribution of the religious culture of the early Middle Ages to the scientific movement was thus primarily one of preservation and transmission. The monasteries served as the transmitters of literacy and a thin version of the classical tradition (including science or natural philosophy) through a period when literacy and scholarship were severely threatened. Without them, Western Europe would not have had more science, but less. (David Lindberg, <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Beginnings-Western-Science-Philosophical-Institutional\/dp\/0226482057\/ref=pd_sim_b_1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">The Beginnings of Western Science<\/span><\/a><\/em> [Univ. of Chicago Press, 2nd ed., 2008], <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=dPUBAkIm2lUC&amp;pg=PA325&amp;dq=%2522church+fathers%2522+science,+OR+scientific,+OR+observation,+OR+experiment,+OR+empiricism&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=3QBbTN7MDYK88gbF_5iwAg&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ved=0CC4Q6AEwATge#v=%20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">pp. 325 and 148-150, 156-157<\/span><\/a>)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\"><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/04012c.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Clement of Rome<\/span><\/a> (d. c. 101; pope) He accepted a good deal of Greek mathematics and astronomy, including belief that the earth was spherical. Unlike Aristotle, however, for him the earth was not eternal and it was sharply distinguished from the divine. Both the heavens and the earth were created and they were orderly: \u201cthe sun, the moon and the dancing stars . . . circle in harmony within the bounds assigned to them.\u201d [source: <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.christianity.co.nz\/science3.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Tripp<\/span><\/a>]<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Clement_of_alexandria\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Clement of Alexandria<\/span><\/a> (c. 150-c. 215)<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">[T]he catechetical school of Alexandria . . . acquired the character of a Christian academy in which all Greek science was studied and made to do apologetic service in favour of the Christian cause. Under Clement and Origen it reached the acme of its renown . . .\u00a0(<span class=\"addmd\">Otto Bardenhewer and Thomas Joseph Shahan<\/span>, <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=miJVuXgM1acC&amp;dq=%22clement+of+alexandria%22+science,+OR+scientific&amp;source=gbs_navlinks_s\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Patrology: The Lives and Works of the Fathers of the Church<\/span><\/a><\/em> [Herder, 1908], <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=miJVuXgM1acC&amp;pg=PA127&amp;dq=%2522clement+of+alexandria%2522+science,+OR+scientific&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=llNbTOeaLoG88gaAp5X5AQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=4&amp;ved=0CD8Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&amp;q=%2522clement%2520of%2520alexandria%2522%20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">p. 127<\/span><\/a>; see also the citation from Edward Grant above)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\"><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/11306b.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Origen<\/span><\/a> (c. 185-c. 254) He accepted the sphericity of the earth [source: Hannam: <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bede.org.uk\/flatearth.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">\u201dThe Myth of the Flat Earth\u201d<\/span><\/a>] See also the previous entry and the citation from Edward Grant above.<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;cd=2&amp;ved=0CBgQFjAB&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newadvent.org%2Fcathen%2F07010b.htm&amp;ei=ewtbTMPBLMOV4ga8h_32AQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNGV4hV20CRBZgOV0sMsRkd45sMdEw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Gregory Nazianzus<\/span><\/a> (329-389; bishop and Doctor of the Church) He wrote:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">For as we ought not to neglect the heavens, and earth, and air, and all such things, because some have wrongly seized upon them, and honour God\u2019s works instead of God: but to real what advantage we can from them for our life and enjoyment . . . from the works of nature apprehending the Worker . . . as we know that neither fire, nor food, nor iron, nor any other of the elements, is of itself most useful, or most harmful, except according to the will of those who use it; and as we have compounded healthful drugs from certain of the reptiles; so from secular literature we have received principles of enquiry and speculation . . . (David Lindberg, in Lindberg and Ronald Numbers, editors, <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/God-Nature-Historical-Encounter-Christianity\/dp\/0520056922\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1280302292&amp;sr=1-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\"><em>God and Nature: Historical Essays on the Encounter between Christianity and Science<\/em>\u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/a>[Univ. of California Press, 1986], p. 29; citing <em>The Panegyric on St. Basil<\/em>: from the Schaff \/ Wace 38-volume translation of the Church fathers, vol. 7, 398-399)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\"><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/02330b.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Basil the Great<\/span><\/a> (c. 330-379; bishop and Doctor of the Church) In contrast to Aristotle, he believed the heavens and the earth were made up of the same materials: earth, air, fire and water, and also questioned the Aristotelian view that divine spirits in the heavenly bodies must continue imparting motion directly to everything that moves. By analogy with a child\u2019s top, he spoke of the heavenly bodies, \u201cwhich after the first impulse, continue their revolutions, turning upon themselves when once fixed in their centre; thus nature, receiving the impulse of this first command, follows without interruption the course of the ages\u201d. Basil\u2019s spinning top provides an early formulation of the idea of impetus. His views on creation allow for the principle of the conservation of momentum, or of inertia, that appeared repeatedly in Christian thinkers over the next twelve centuries. [source: <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.christianity.co.nz\/science3.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Tripp<\/span><\/a>] He believed in a spherical earth. [<a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.uni-stuttgart.de\/lettres\/krueger\/forschungsvorhaben_erdkugeltheorie_biblio.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">source<\/span><\/a>]<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">\u201dIf you observe carefully the members even of the animals, you will find that the Creator has added nothing superfluous, and that He has not omitted anything necessary.\u201d He drew lessons from the migration of fish, the stealth of the octopus, the function of the elephant\u2019s trunk, the behavior of dogs tracking wild animals, and the existence of both poisonous and edible plants. All play their\u00a0designated role in nature, even poisonous plants, for as Basil argued, \u201cthere is no one plant without worth, not one without use. Either it provides food for some animal, or has been sought out for us by the medical profession for the relief of certain diseases.\u201d Thus did Basil respond to those who wondered why God would create poisonous plants capable of killing humans. (Edward Grant, <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Foundations-Modern-Science-Middle-Ages\/dp\/0521567629\/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1280301702&amp;sr=1-1\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">The Foundations of Modern Science in the Middle Ages: Their Religious, Institutional and Intellectual Contexts<\/span> <\/a><\/em>[Cambridge, 1996], <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/books.google.com\/books?id=8wd6iPChCQgC&amp;pg=PA3&amp;dq=%2522church+fathers%2522+science,+OR+scientific,+OR+observation,+OR+experiment,+OR+empiricism&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=e-xaTPLlAtCKnQeDkNzuAQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=9&amp;ved=0CFgQ6AEwCDgU#v=on%20\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">p. 6<\/span><\/a>; primary sources unable to be accessed in Google Books)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\"><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Gregory_of_Nyssa\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Gregory of Nyssa<\/span><\/a> (c. 335-c. 394; bishop) He wrote about the spherical earth:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">As, when the sun shines <span class=\"Emphasis\">above<\/span> the earth, the shadow is spread over its lower part, because its spherical shape makes it impossible for it to be clasped all round at one and the same time by the rays, and necessarily, on whatever side the sun\u2019s rays may fall on some particular point of the globe, if we follow a straight diameter, we shall find shadow upon the opposite point, and so, continuously, at the opposite end of the direct line of the rays shadow moves round that globe, keeping pace with the sun, so that equally in their turn both the\u00a0upper half and the under half of the earth are in light and darkness. (<em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/2915.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">On the Soul and the Resurrection<\/span><\/a><\/em>)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\"><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/01383c.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Ambrose<\/span><\/a> (c. 336-397; bishop and Doctor of the Church) He believed in a spherical earth. [source: Hannam: <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.bede.org.uk\/flatearth.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">\u201dThe Myth of the Flat Earth\u201d<\/span><\/a>] [<a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.uni-stuttgart.de\/lettres\/krueger\/forschungsvorhaben_erdkugeltheorie_biblio.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">source<\/span><\/a>]<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">[H]is work is full of observation of the facts of the natural world. He has minute descriptions of quails and storks and swallows, of bees and crickets, of trees and their modes of reproduction, of evaporation and the action of rain, of human anatomy and physiology. (Edward K. Rand, <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Founders-Middle-Ages-E-K-Rand\/dp\/0486203697\/ref=sr_1_7?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1281049015&amp;sr=1-7\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Founders of the Middle Ages<\/span><\/a><\/em> [New York: Dover Publications, 1957; originally 1928, 93)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\"><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Jerome\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Jerome <\/span><\/a>(c. 343-420; priest and Doctor of the Church) He referred to the earth as a \u201csphere\u201d in his <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/fathers\/3001124.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Letter 124 to Avitas<\/span><\/a> (5).<\/p>\n<p><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.newadvent.org\/cathen\/02091a.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">St. Augustine<\/span><\/a> (354-430; bishop and Doctor of the Church) He was the dominant thinker of the first thousand years of Christian history. For him, the universe, being the creation of God, was not eternal but finite in space and time. Time itself had its created beginning. . . . The Greek notion of cyclic returns was ridiculous, and eliminated the possibility of happiness. [source: <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.christianity.co.nz\/science3.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Tripp<\/span><\/a>] He wrote, about science and Scripture:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser\u00a0brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. (From: <em><a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/41-St-Augustine-Vol-Christian\/dp\/0809103265\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">The Literal Meaning of Genesis<\/span><\/a><\/em> [<em>De Genesi ad litteram libri duodecim<\/em>], Bk. I, ch. 19, 39: <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pibburns.com\/augustin.htm\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">translation by J. H. Taylor<\/span><\/a>, in <em>Ancient Christian Writers<\/em> [Newman Press, 1982], volume 41, pp. 42-43)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">In the same work (p. 33), Augustine refers to the spherical earth:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">[T]here was nothing to prevent the massive watery sphere from having day on one side by the presence of light, and on the other side, night by the absence of light. Thus, in the evening, darkness would pass to that side from which light would be turning to the other. (Bk. I, ch. 12, 25)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">And he wrote about the moon being illuminated by the sun:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">[I]t is not the heavenly body itself that changes but the illumined surface of it. . . . it is always full,\u00a0though it does not always appear so to the inhabitants of earth. The same explanation holds even if it is illumined by the rays of the sun. . . . It is only when it is opposite the sun that the whole of its illuminated surface is visible to us. (Bk. II, ch. 11, 31, pp. 68-69)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/09\/st-augustine-astrology-is-absurd.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">He rejected astrology<\/a> (something that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2006\/05\/science-vs-religion-chronicles-16th-17th-century-astronomers-acceptance-of-astrology-part-i.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Galileo and Kepler<\/a> still <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/04\/16th-17th-century-astronomers-loved-astrology-part-two.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">had not done<\/a> 1200 years later), partially on the basis of observation of twins:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">[L]et us . . . wholeheartedly reject all subtleties of astrologers and their so-called scientific observations . . . which they fancy established by their theories. . . . with headstrong impiety they treat evil-doing that is justly reprehensible as if God were to blame as the maker of the stars, and not man as the author of his own sins. . . .<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">What more absurd and stupid than, after assenting to the foregoing argument, to say that the influence and power of stars is only over the lives of men? Such a theory is refuted by the case of those twins that spend their lives in different circumstances, one prosperous and the other wretched . . .(Bk. II, ch. 17, 35-36, p. 71)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">John F. McCarthy elaborates on St. Augustine\u2019s positing of something not unlike theistic evolution:<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">This theory of primordial packages of forms later to emerge (often referred to by commentators as \u201cseminal reasons\u201d) is certainly developmental, but\u00a0does not correspond with Darwinian evolution. Essential to Augustine\u2019s theory is the idea that the order later to emerge was instilled by God in the beginning. Augustine also requires subsequent interventions by God to \u201cplant\u201d the forms whose \u201cnumbers\u201d had already been instilled. Thus, as St. Thomas [Aquinas] points out, the ability of the earth to produce living forms was visualized by Augustine as a passive potency which disposed the matter to receive the forms but did not create the forms themselves. Augustine\u2019s theory of primordial packages deserves more ample meditation and analysis in another place, especially with reference to theories of the development of living things, . . . Genesis 1:6-8 witnesses in several ways to the creative action of God. As the divine Fashioner of the universe, God guided the energies that He had invested in the primal matter by his creative intervention on the first day to bring the cosmos to its structured state. This is the unfolding of the active potency contained in St. Augustine\u2019s \u201cprimordial packages.\u201d But there is also implied in these verses an upward progress in the order of inorganic being which seems to have required additional creative divine interventions. (<a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rtforum.org\/lt\/lt48.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">A Neo-Patristic Return to the First Four Days of Creation, Part IV<\/span><\/a>; see also Parts <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rtforum.org\/lt\/lt45.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">One<\/span><\/a>, <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rtforum.org\/lt\/lt46.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Two<\/span><\/a>, <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rtforum.org\/lt\/lt47.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Three<\/span><\/a>, <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?q=http:\/\/www.rtforum.org\/lt\/lt49.html&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=tHRSTNrSDMTjnAfr8q2GAw&amp;ved=0CBUQrAIoATAA&amp;usg=AFQjCNF8qbOdjUBlQF-HQfCu0Ox0J549hw\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Five<\/span><\/a>, and <a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rtforum.org\/lt\/lt50.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">Six<\/span><\/a>)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">See also, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholic.com\/magazine\/print-edition\/how-augustine-reined-in-science\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">\u201dHow Augustine Reined in Science,\u201d<\/span><\/a> Kenneth J. Howell (<em>This Rock<\/em>, March 1998); Davis A. Young,\u00a0<a class=\"msbooks-tabindex-restored decorated-link\" tabindex=\"0\" href=\"http:\/\/www.asa3.org\/ASA\/PSCF\/1988\/PSCF3-88Young.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">\u201dThe Contemporary Relevance of Augustine\u2019s View of Creation,\u201d<\/span><\/a> and Andrew J. Brown, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.asa3.org\/ASA\/PSCF\/2005\/PSCF6-05Brown.pdf\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><span class=\"Hyperlink\">\u201dThe Relevance of Augustine\u2019s View of Creation Re-Evaluated\u201d<\/span><\/a> (PDF).<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p class=\"BodyText\">\n<\/p><\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>From my 2010 book,\u00a0Science and Christianity: Close Partners or Mortal Enemies?\u00a0(pp. 19-28). Follow the link for book and purchase information: available for as low as $2.99. I have not checked all the links. Some may be defunct after nine years. Generally, Amazon, Google Books, and Wikipedia links are pretty stable and unchanging. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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