negligent homicide<\/a> \/ involuntary manslaughter.\u201d People still pay penalties for those. It\u2019s not like the temporary insanity defense.<\/p>\nNobody \u201cknows\u201d for a fact, unless they are fortune tellers with an accurate crystal ball.\u00a0People have been told to flee before a hurricane, only to leave and die on the highways, or lose contact with family.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nOthers stayed at home, and were told they would die, only to find that the storm moved direction and they survived without any serious problems. And at the Rio Grande, millions have crossed over the last 100 years and made it to the U.S.<\/span><\/p>\nNo matter who is giving advice, there is the possibility of coming through risky behavior safe and sound, and there is the possibility of death. It is easy for us to quarterback on Monday.<\/span><\/p>\n\n
Let me ask you, then, Father: at what point would it become negligent, if this wasn\u2019t? If he was perfectly calm and calculated? If ten people instead of three (that we know of) told him not to do it: that it was too dangerous?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
We know that not all migrants are so out of their heads or minds that they would swim the river without giving it a second thought. At least one other migrant was among them.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
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Other examples of desperation that we have defended because of the desperation of parents:<\/span><\/p>\nFleeing Cuba on homemade rafts to reach the U.S.<\/span><\/p>\nCrossing the Berlin Wall and walking through minefields to reach W. Berlin.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nEscaping after the fall of Saigon out to sea on boats through waters patrolled by the Viet Cong.<\/span><\/p>\nEscaping N. Korea into machine gun fire, in the hopes of reaching freedom.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nAnd in all the above cases, Americans have praised and admired such defectors, knowing that U.S. law allowed such people immediate legal residency since they were fleeing communism.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nWhat makes those fleeing across the Rio Grande or the scorching desert at the border to be judged with less admiration is that they are not fleeing communism and they are unwanted.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nBut I don\u2019t think their desperation is \u201cindefensible and unconscionable\u201d because we understand less, what it is that they are fleeing from.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n
Paul Hoffer:\u00a0
With due respect Father, I would suggest that none of these situations were present here according to the man\u2019s own family.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
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Obviously the couple disagreed. The wife consented to go with her husband, and consented to take their daughter.<\/span><\/p>\nBesides the neighbors and friends of the couple who speak of the desperation to find work, and of having to be supported by the wife\u2019s family, there is the situation of their arrival at the border.<\/span><\/p>\nAfter having traveled 1,500 miles from El Salvador to the border, there was also confusion. What to do? Go back? They were within a mile of crossing into the U.S. With what money would they go back?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThe entry point on the U.S. side that was supposed to take them in, refused to do so.<\/span><\/p>\nI don\u2019t see the questions confronting them, and the decisions to be made, so easy at that point of \u201cjust about there, but not yet.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThis is why even the mom went into the Rio Grande, after allowing her husband to take the little girl. The mom was able to turn back when the current couldn\u2019t be fought. The man wasn\u2019t able to.<\/span><\/p>\nYou might be right, and I might be wrong, but I don\u2019t think either of us can say we have been in their exact same situation\u2013and that the correct answer was clear as crystal.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nWe think differently of individuals deciding to take a huge risk for freedom. I think having a 23-month old daughter with him in a river like that makes a huge difference.<\/div>\n
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Everyone defending this keeps talking about the father. No one seems to want to consider the right of the innocent, helpless daughter to life, and the responsibility that parents have to protect their children.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
I think that dad loved that little girl, and was more concerned for her well being, than you or anyone else who can post on Facebook.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n\n
*<\/p>\n
I<\/span>t was precisely the futility of being supported by relatives who don\u2019t have the money to feed more mouths. It is the prospect of not being able to buy his little girl the food, clothing, and opportunities he wanted her to have, which took him to desperation.<\/span><\/p>\nLiving far away from El Salvador, and the plight of people there, it is easy to calmly come to conclusions. But the mom and dad would not have made that trip and braved their dangers, except for love of their little girl and the desire to give her a better life.<\/span><\/p>\nAnd with that in mind, both mom and dad set across the Rio Grande because having seen, and having waded into rivers back in El Salvador, it did not seem overly dangerous to them.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nHow many of us Americans have taken our own kids to rivers and lakes, only to see them drown in rivers that were more dangerous than we thought? Do our American parents also not consider the right of our drowned children to life? Let\u2019s not be callous.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nI keep asking: at what point does it become negligent? We all agree that there is such a thing as a negligent parent, right? Can an immigrant of this sort (coming through Mexico) ever be negligent, or is culpability completely wiped out for each and every one because they are desperate and seeking to escape a hellhole and have a better life?<\/div>\n
*<\/div>\n
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That is a separate question, as I have stated down below, and a different thread that would weigh and balance all the possible scenarios of the undocumented.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nTo not go down that rabbit hole, what I can say, relevant to *this thread, is that I do not believe that the culpability of negligent homicide can be imputed to that man.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nRight reason and prudence cannot be demanded of humans in the state of desperation and panic.<\/span><\/div>\n\n
*<\/p>\n
It\u2019s easy to be cerebral about this when we have not lived like others outside of our country.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nRight reason also leads to understanding of others, if we are humbly prepared for that grace of the Holy Spirit.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nThe \u201cleast of our brothers and sisters in Christ\u201d include a dead 2-year-old girl who had a father reckless enough to endanger her life and enable her death.\u00a0<\/span>Where is the concern for her<\/em>? She was in the care of her father.<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
I don\u2019t think we can simply blame horrible living conditions. This man went and did an act that created horrible conditions (and eventual death) for his innocent daughter and himself, didn\u2019t he? He ignored the pleading of a fellow would-be migrant in the same situation.<\/div>\n
*<\/div>\n
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I think this is more like negligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter, than it is like temporary insanity. The court system has these distinctions precisely because it recognizes (as the Church does) many levels of culpability.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
It\u2019s the culpability we disagree about in this thread; not the Church\u2019s moral teaching.<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
There is such a thing as parental negligence. I think it is present in this instance, but I do agree that it is \u201cborderline\u201d in some ways. If he jumped in the water as a truly unhinged irrational person, etc., then it would be like temporary insanity. <\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n
Given the warnings from at least one person in the same situation, personally, I don\u2019t think that is the case. Even the aspect of leaving the daughter on the other side, so she could jump in the water: is that<\/em>\u00a0not negligent? Wasn\u2019t she even left with someone to watch over her?<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
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The young man who died was young\u2013let\u2019s not ascribe to him the wisdom of the elders. He was desperate to get into the U.S., having been turned away from the office where he was told that he needed to report in order to apply for asylum.<\/span><\/p>\nAnd let\u2019s not forget that the little girl\u2019s mother also entered the Rio Grande, and consented to have the little girl go with her dad. But she was able to turn around in time to make it back to the Mexican side when the water was too much for her.<\/span><\/p>\nSo, the mother was in agreement with the father that they needed to cross the river and get to the U.S.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nI think reasonable people can disagree on this. I asked my wife what she thought of what he did, and if it was negligent. She immediately said \u201cyes!\u201d Now, maybe she didn\u2019t immediately consider every jot\u00a0and tittle of culpability (I suspect not), but in any event, that was her reaction.<\/div>\n
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*<\/p>\n
Again, I appreciate the fact that we can disagree and not attribute ill motives to the other. I don\u2019t do that with you and it seems like you are not doing so back at me, either, Father. That is real discussion, and is what should be happening about every aspect of the border \/ immigration tragedy.<\/p>\n
There is plenty of middle ground where we could all agree if we would just talk and extend charity and benefit of the doubt to the other.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
Remember that the wife freely decided to go with her husband and to cross the Rio Grande also.\u00a0Where there is no middle ground, for me, is to attribute either ill motives to the dad who died, or even terms like \u201cnegligent homicide or involuntary manslaughter.\u201d\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n\n
These are the people I minister to, and who I have known as very close friends in 28 years as a priest. I speak to them in Spanish and have heard the harrowing tales over and over.\u00a0They have crossed the Rio Grande, they have crossed the Sonoran desert, they have come over in hidden compartments that they almost suffocated in.\u00a0And to have the life that they now have, and are able to provide for their children, they would do it again.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nIf your wife has lived the lives they have lived outside the U.S., then I would say she understands. But having interacted with these people and hearing their stories, I know for a fact that what is in their mind is to flee futility, hopelessness, and the inability to provide for their kids.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
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I\u2019d like to hear, Father, at what point you would consider such a thing negligent?\u00a0There is such a thing as a negligent parent. If someone leaves a child, for example, in a locked automobile on a stifling hot sunny day and the child dies,\u00a0that is negligence.<\/p>\n
I don\u2019t think we can say that every would-be illegal immigrant is so out of their right minds with desperation that they cannot be held responsible for any harm that might come to their small children as a result of their actions.<\/p>\n
At some<\/em>\u00a0point they are responsible. So where is that point? I\u2019m sincerely asking. I accept the fact that there are times where they are not culpable. It\u2019s an argument about the line. So I\u2019m asking.<\/p>\nCertainly you can\u2019t argue that no immigrant trying to come into the US, in cases where children in their care died, ever had any responsibility for those tragic events.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
You are asking me to weigh and balance thousands of potential scenarios and circumstances. I\u2019m not going to go down that rabbit hole.\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n\n
*<\/p>\n
Suffice it to say, the mother who also waded into the Rio Grande testifies that to her, and to her husband, the waters seemed safe and navigable. I have no reason to say she is lying about what she perceived at that moment. If she and her husband believed they would drown, then that would have been negligent.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nIf there are such cases, then reasonable, equally good Catholics can and may disagree whether the point was reached in individual cases (because that is the subjective element). I think that\u2019s what we have here.<\/div>\n
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*<\/p>\n
I have immense respect for Fr. Angel, so I am taking his criticism very seriously, but I am not convinced that this is not negligence.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
Very well. But I do think you might see a larger panorama of reality if you knew and ministered to thousands of the undocumented, and heard of their lives before coming to the U.S. and during their travel here.<\/span><\/div>\n\n
*<\/p>\n
I would say that the dad\u00a0was young and confused, not having enough experience with the dangers in the water.<\/span><\/p>\nThus, his ability to see clearly was limited. In the same way\u00a0Dave, I think your ability to weigh the culpability of someone like this dad is slightly confused because of the lack of experience in ministering to, and being close enough to large numbers of the undocumented.<\/span><\/p>\nBut that\u2019s a handicap which numerous Americans have. I had that also, until I became a priest.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\nI\u2019m sure I would have a different view (or modified in some way). That\u2019s a valid point. We
do<\/em><\/strong> need to hear the horror stories. I want to end this tragedy as much as you do. I want as many legal immigrants as we can take in. But we still have the right to border laws and criteria for entrance.<\/div>\n\n
*<\/p>\n
And I still don\u2019t know when a father becomes negligent! We all agree that it does happen.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n
We also have to solve the problem of the next scenario where someone drowns. Something has to be done. We can prevent this. It doesn\u2019t have to be. There could be a number of different possible solutions, but what is going on now is unacceptable on many different grounds.<\/div>\n
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*<\/p>\n
The extremes on both sides do no good:<\/p>\n
1. \u201cWe have to accept a billion refugees so they can have a better life.\u201d<\/p>\n
2. \u201cWe should accept no immigrants at all: even legal ones.\u201d<\/p>\n
We have to find a reasonable way to accept as many as we can handle, and to do so legally, not by means of this present madness, with people being exploited and dying and drugs coming into our country and killing hundreds of thousands as well.<\/p>\n
We can<\/em>\u00a0solve this. We can do anything if we put our minds to it. But it\u2019ll never happen as long as we demonize each other.<\/p>\n<\/div>\nI wrote something similar to this in response to the posting of that photograph. That father was guilty of gross child abuse and\/or neglect. According to accounts from his own family that have been ignored by the MSM, he was not a victim of violence\u00a0or threatened to a dangerous situation. He had a job, a home, a family. He and his daughter were in a safe location waiting to make a fraudulent asylum claim. Impatient, tempted by by greed, he chose to put his daughter in danger . . .\u00a0<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
What do you think the charge would be in a court of law, Paul [he is an attorney]? And what would the likely verdict be?<\/div>\n
*<\/div>\n
I do not know Texas or Mexican law, but in Ohio\u00a0if they had lived, he would have been charged with felony child endangering and would have lost custody of his daughter as she would have been considered an abused or neglected child. The gist of the charges is that no caregiver or parent shall create a substantial risk to the health or safety of a child by violating a duty of care or protection owed to that child. Exposing a child to a risk of drowning by illegally crossing a dangerous river would certainly violate a duty of care or protection owed toward his child.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
Wow. That\u2019s what I suspected. I think this is a good law, not a bad one.<\/div>\n
*<\/div>\n
Father Sotelo is certainly correct that there are situations where parents do have to weigh the risks of harm to a child and I do not suggest that every parent faced with such circumstances is guilty of endangering their child. That is why we do have asylum and refugee protections. What I am saying is that this case was not one if those situations based on the evidence that has been reported on.<\/span><\/div>\n*<\/div>\n
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I was a juvenile prosecutor and thereafter represented hundreds, if not thousands of parents in over 30 years practicing in that area of law.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\nThe legal question about a parent\u2019s responsibility towards one\u2019s children is separate issue from the morality of our country\u2019s immigration policies which I acknowledge are unjust. The question of the justness of our immigration laws do not justify a parent endangering their child to break those laws nor should [it] give parents an excuse to breach a duty owed to a child when it comes to protecting the gift of life God entrusts to parents.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n***<\/p>\n
Photo credit:\u00a0<\/span><\/strong>A Border Patrol Riverine Unit conducts patrols in an Air and Marine Safe-Boat in South Texas along the Rio Grande river. They rescue a child who is stranded on the river bank of the Rio Grande. Photographer: Donna Burton (9-24-13)<\/span> [public domain \/ Wikimedia Commons<\/a>]<\/p>\n***<\/p>\n
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Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. 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