{"id":352,"date":"2011-10-20T17:57:00","date_gmt":"2011-10-20T17:57:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2011\/10\/antidote-to-william-whitakers-sola-scriptura-arguments-absurd-alleged-biblical-indications-against-apostolic-tradition.html"},"modified":"2017-05-29T15:44:05","modified_gmt":"2017-05-29T19:44:05","slug":"antidote-to-william-whitakers-sola-scriptura-arguments-absurd-alleged-biblical-indications-against-apostolic-tradition","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2011\/10\/antidote-to-william-whitakers-sola-scriptura-arguments-absurd-alleged-biblical-indications-against-apostolic-tradition.html","title":{"rendered":"Reply to William Whitaker&#8217;s &#8220;Sola Scriptura&#8221; Arguments"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><div style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>. . . Absurd Alleged Biblical Indications Against Apostolic Tradition<\/strong><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2011\/10\/Cover-551x833.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-5754 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2011\/10\/Cover-551x833.jpg\" alt=\"Cover (551x833)\" width=\"551\" height=\"833\"><\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">[see<a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2012\/09\/books-by-dave-armstrong-pillars-of-sola-scriptura-replies-to-whitaker-goode-and-biblical-proofs-for-bible-alone.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\"> book information <\/a>including purchase options]\n<p>***<\/p><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">(10-20-11)<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * *<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">I am utilizing a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.archive.org\/details\/disputationonhol00whituoft\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">copy of the book available at <i>Internet Archive<\/i><\/a>.\n<p>***<\/p><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">Whitaker\u2019s words will be in <span style=\"color: blue;\">blue<\/span>. Page numbers will correspond to the above book version.<\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"text-align: center;\">* * *<\/div>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\"><\/div>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">I come now to another argument, the last of those touched upon by Bellarmine, and derived from various passages of scripture wherein traditions are condemned: as, Matth. xv. 6, \u201cYe have made the commandment of God of none effect by your traditions;\u201d and the words of Isaiah, c. 29, alleged by Christ in that same chapter, \u201cIn vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men:\u201d and Galat. i. 14, where Paul says that, before his conversion, he was \u201czealous for the traditions of his elders.\u201d From these and the like places, we reason thus: Christ and the apostles condemn traditions: therefore, they are not to be received; and consequently scripture is sufficient. (pp. 637-638)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>This is the same weak, silly argument that we hear again and again. The gist of it is that, for many Protestants, \u201ctradition is a dirty word.\u201d But the Bible presents it in a far more nuanced way than this portrayal would have it. In the Bible there is a legitimate apostolic, divine tradition, that is good, and a false \u2018tradition of men\u201d over against God. St. Paul contrasts the two in the following passage:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Colossians 2:8<\/b> (RSV) See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ. (cf. 1 Cor 11:2; 2 Thess 2:15; 3:6; Phil 4:9; 2 Tim 1:13-14; 2:2)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The particular sense being used is always clear from context. Hence, in two of Whitaker\u2019s examples above, we see the qualifiers: \u201c<i>your <\/i>traditions\u201d (i.e., over against God\u2019s); \u201ccommandments <i>of men<\/i>\u201d (i.e., ones that <i>contradict<\/i> the commandments of God).<\/p>\n<p>Galatians 1:14, on the other hand, is a more neutral expression. It\u2019s clear that Paul did not reject <i>all <\/i>traditions in Judaism. After all, he referred to himself as a \u201cPharisee\u201d twice, <i>after<\/i> his conversion to Christianity\u00a0 (Acts 23:6; 26:5). He still acknowledged the authority of the high priest as his \u201cruler\u201d during his trial, even when the latter had him struck on the mouth (Acts 23:2-5). Paul and Jesus and the early Christians still participated in Temple worship and rituals, and attended synagogues. When addressing non-Christian Jews, Paul calls them \u201cbrethren\u201d (Acts 13:26,38; 22:1; 23:1,5-6).<\/p>\n<p>St. Stephen did the same before a council with Jewish elders, scribes, and the high priest (Acts 6:12; 7:1), addressing them as \u201cbrethren and fathers\u201d (7:2). Paul was still worshiping and <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">even presiding over <\/span>the services in synagogues (Acts 13:13-44).<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">Bellarmine hath but one reply, namely, that Christ and the apostles did not condemn those traditions which the Jews had received from Moses and the prophets, but those which they had received from certain later persons, whereof some were idle, and some impious. (p. 638)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>And St. Robert Bellarmine was exactly right, because this is what Scripture teaches, and it is almost self-evident.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">I answer: Firstly, it is false that the Jews received any traditions from Moses and the prophets. He himself does not prove they did, . . . (p. 638)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>This is a remarkably clueless, extreme anti-traditional position that virtually no Protestant theologian, Bible scholar, or historian would hold today. It is well-known that the Pharisees accepted the oral tradition, and that early Christianity inherited several beliefs (angelology, the resurrection, notions of purgatory and prayer for the dead), including belief in this oral tradition, from that school.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">Finally, it is evident from the scriptures: for Christ says, \u201cSearch the scriptures,\u201d not tradition; and Abraham says, \u201cThey have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them.\u201d Now by Moses and the prophets the scriptures are meant, as in Luke xxiv. 27. There is no mention in scripture of these traditions: the scriptures say not a single word about them: there were, therefore, none. (p. 638)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>Whitaker essentially puts his head in the sand like an ostrich, and covers his eyes and ears like a monkey: he <i>refuses<\/i> to see the dozens; scores of biblical indications of tradition. He\u2019s like the man who can look all over the sky on a clear day at high noon in the summer, and not see the sun. It\u2019s such a breathtakingly ridiculous position that I feel like a clown seriously entertaining it at all. But this paragraph of Whitaker\u2019s needed to be documented, lest no one believe that it could have been written by an intelligent student of the Bible. I\u2019m embarrassed for my esteemed Protestant friends, that one of their proclaimed \u201cchampions\u201d would make such utterly ludicrous \u201carguments.\u201d But this is the pathetic intellectual level of anti-Catholicism. I shouldn\u2019t be surprised.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: blue;\">. . . when Christ objects the commandment of God, and opposes the scriptures to tradition, it is plain that he condemns all unwritten traditions. . . .<\/span> <span style=\"color: blue;\">all unwritten traditions are condemned by Christ. (p. 639)<br>\n*<\/span><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not plain at all that this is the case! Jesus qualifies it by noting that mere <i>men<\/i>\u2018s traditions, held in opposition to God, are what should be condemned. If it were a <i>blanket<\/i> condemnation, the qualification wouldn\u2019t be there; it would simply say \u201ctradition.\u201d If Jesus were supposedly completely opposed to all Jewish tradition at all (which included oral tradition); even tradition within Christianity, then why in the world would He say?:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Matthew 23:2-3a<\/b> \u201cThe scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses\u2019 seat; [<b>3<\/b>] so practice and observe whatever they tell you, . . .<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Even \u201cMoses\u2019 Seat\u201d is not a phrase found in the Old Testament. <span style=\"color: #3333ff;\"> <span style=\"color: black;\">It is found in the (originally oral) Mishna, where a sort of \u201cteaching succession\u201d from Moses on down is taught. <\/span><\/span>Jesus upholds the Pharisees\u2019 teaching authority even though He goes on to say that they are hypocrites, and to not follow what they \u201cdo,\u201d and lambasts them in no uncertain terms, shortly afterwards, according to Matthew\u2019s record. Despite all that, their teachings are <i>still <\/i>to be followed, even by His disciples.<\/p>\n<p>These are the same people and faction, whom Paul referred to as possessing \u201ctraditions\u201d (Gal 1:14; noted by Whitaker himself, at the top of this paper). They\u2019re the same ones that Paul identifies himself twice as being a part of (<b><i>after<\/i><\/b> his conversion). All this, but there is no legitimate \u201ctradition\u201d whatever in the New Testament, according to \u201csee no evil \/ hear no evil\u201d Whitaker.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">. . . Christ and the apostles always remand us to the scriptures . . . (p. 639)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>That\u2019s not true at all. There are scores and scores of evidences against such an absurd, unfactual statement. Here are several of the more famous non-biblical references in the New Testament:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>1 Corinthians 10:4<\/b> and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\">The Old Testament says nothing about such miraculous movement, in the related passages about Moses striking the rock to produce water (Exodus 17:1-7; Numbers 20:2-13). But rabbinic tradition does. <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>2 Timothy 3:8<\/b> As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of corrupt mind and counterfeit faith;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\">These two men cannot be found in the related Old Testament passage (Exodus 7:8 ff.), or anywhere else in the Old Testament.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>James 5:17<\/b> Eli\u2019jah was a man of like nature with ourselves and he prayed fervently that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain on the earth.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\">The reference to a lack of rain for three years is absent from the relevant Old Testament passage in 1 Kings 17.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>1 Peter 3:19<\/b> in which he went and preached to the spirits in prison,<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\">This is drawn from the Jewish apocalyptic book <a href=\"http:\/\/wesley.nnu.edu\/sermons-essays-books\/noncanonical-literature\/book-of-enoch\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">1 Enoch (12-16)<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Jude 9<\/b> But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgment upon him, but said, \u201cThe Lord rebuke you.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Not found in the Old Testament (see Deut 34:5-6 for the account of Moses\u2019 death), but it was part of a Jewish tradition that Jude assumed his readers were familiar with.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Jude 14-15<\/b> It was of these also that Enoch in the seventh generation from Adam prophesied, saying, \u201cBehold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: black;\">This is a direct quotation of the apocalyptic book 1 Enoch (1:9). Here is <a href=\"http:\/\/wesley.nnu.edu\/sermons-essays-books\/noncanonical-literature\/book-of-enoch\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">one translation<\/a> of the latter passage:<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>That is not from any Scripture; yet it is said that Enoch \u201cprophesied.\u201d Thus, authentic, genuine prophecy is not confined to the Old Testament written record. If <i>this <\/i>is true prophecy (as we know it must be, because it is described as such in inspired revelation), who knows how much <i>more<\/i> of 1 Enoch or other non-canonical ancient Jewish books <i>also<\/i> contain true prophecy? That is tradition . . .<\/p>\n<p>Moreover, the New Testament massively cites passages or thought-patterns or concepts found in the Deuterocanon: books that Protestants and Whitaker reject as canonical (and call the \u201cApocrypha\u201d). Therefore, these are numerous additional examples of \u201cChrist and the apostles\u201d doing what Whitaker tells us they <i>never<\/i> supposedly do: citations of something other than what he thinks is Scripture.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">Now the papists have run into still more intolerable errors in this matter than the Jews of old, since their religion is wholly occupied in observing and performing not those things which Christ sanctioned and enjoined, but those which man\u2019s boldness and curiosity have devised. For example, those who are esteemed religious amongst the papists observe the rules of their founders far more punctiliously than the commands of God: the truth of which remark hath been now for a long time no secret to all the world. (p. 640)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>Right. Just a slice of genuine, old-fashioned, bigoted anti-Catholicism, to remind us of the tunnel-vision mentality we are here dealing with. I especially love the imbecilic inanity of the use of \u201cwholly\u201d. It\u2019s no wonder that Whitaker makes such poor, Scripture-torturing\u00a0 arguments, in defending <i>sola Scriptura<\/i>. His judgment is clouded by this sort of purely irrational, self-refuting\u00a0 nonsense.<\/p>\n<p>At the time he was writing such things, men were having their hearts ripped out of their bodies and intestines slowly drawn out, then legs and arms and heads cut off (along with various other outrageous brutalities) in merrie olde \u201cReformation\u201d England, for the horrific, treasonous crime of simply believing what their forefathers had believed for many hundreds of years: the Catholic faith of <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Anselm_of_Canterbury\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">St. Anselm<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=venerable%20bede&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CCgQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBede&amp;ei=kGugTvPeN-3_sQKPvLXHBQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNEDqeF9tdvJEEakTMnqiWawIEtINw&amp;cad=rja\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">the Venerable Bede<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=st.%20boniface&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CC4QFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSaint_Boniface&amp;ei=qGugTvjIBIitsAKX7omWBQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNEkz4N_ESIfB0a_fm8snTf87lifvA&amp;cad=rja\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">St. Boniface<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Duns_Scotus\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Blessed Duns Scotus<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Thomas_Becket\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">St. Thomas Becket<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=st%2C%20thomas%20more&amp;source=web&amp;cd=2&amp;ved=0CDQQFjAB&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThomas_More&amp;ei=pGygTrqaKsqGsgKgvfiABQ&amp;usg=AFQjCNFnoRML5EsAHLREB8mp8iNhLNyz4g&amp;cad=rja\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">St. Thomas More<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=st.%20john%20fisher&amp;source=web&amp;cd=11&amp;ved=0CIABEBYwCg&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJohn_Fisher&amp;ei=uGygTpXWIMaqsQKS9MX_BA&amp;usg=AFQjCNFdMAuGwWy8Yt0i9XOYOAWu3fDIWw&amp;cad=rja\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">St. John Fisher<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Alfred_the_great\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Alfred the Great<\/a>.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">The fourth place is taken from Luke xxiv. 25 and 27. Christ, in verse 25, blames the disciples for being slow \u201cto beheve all that the prophets have spoken.\u201d But where can those things be found? This appears from verse 27. There it follows: \u201cBeginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded to them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.\u201d Hence we frame the following argument: If all the things that the prophets spoke may be found in the scriptures, then may those also which the apostles spoke be found in the scriptures also. The first is true: therefore also the second. The force of the consequence is manifest. For the same reason which impelled the prophets to commit all they said to writing, led the apostles also to take a similar course. For if the prophets wrote all that they spoke, why should we not suppose that the apostles and evangelists, proceeding with the same prudence, governed by the same Spirit, and having the same end in view, committed likewise to writing the sum of that doctrine which they delivered to the churches? The same judgment should be passed where the cases are the same. And hence those are refuted, who dream of the existence of some unwritten prophetic traditions. For Luke makes all that the prophets spake to be comprised in the scriptures. Therefore, there were no unwritten traditions of the prophets. Therefore, there were no unwritten traditions of the apostles. The reason is precisely the same. If the ancient church had every thing in scripture, the christian church likewise hath every thing in scripture. The antecedent is plain ; therefore also the consequent. Otherwise God provided better for the Jews than for us. (pp. 643-644)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>This whole line of reasoning collapses, by the numerous examples I have provided above, which show that the writers of the New Testament, our Lord, the apostles, disciples, and early Christians all acknowledge traditions (and non-recorded acts) that go beyond the letter of the Bible. No passage <i>in the Bible<\/i> says that the entirety of the prophetic message (let alone the apostolic message) was committed to writing, in the Bible alone. That is simply a tradition of men, invented out of whole cloth. It is not deduced by the passages that Whitaker produces. It\u2019s a mere fancy. There is no need to even refute it because no evidence (let alone biblical evidence) is given for it. Whitaker\u2019s supposed strong deductions are simply faulty, wishful thinking \u201clogic.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s refuted also in the inspired New Testament, in examples we have already seen. James 5:17 informs us that Elijah the prophet prayed and caused rain to cease for three-and-a-half years. Why, then, was this not recorded in the Old Testament? Surely it was very significant: a miracle even greater than the plagues of Moses upon Egypt. It is used as an illustration of the power of the righteous man\u2019s prayers. But it\u2019s not <i>there<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>If Whitaker supposedly excels at logical deduction, perhaps he can grasp <i>this <\/i>one. This event occurred, because we know it for sure from inspired revelation in the New Testament. But it was not <i>recorded<\/i>. Therefore, it follows that extraordinary miracles from prophets were <i>not<\/i> all recorded in writing (or in the Bible), and were preserved, rather, in non-biblical tradition of some sort: precisely the <i>opposite<\/i> of what Whitaker would have us believe. Elijah lived about a thousand years before James, so that tradition had to be passed down somewhere other than in the Bible. It probably was an oral tradition at first.\u00a0 James cites the tradition matter-of-factly, as if there would be no doubt as to its authenticity.<\/p>\n<p>Jude 14-15 said that Enoch (who lived much further back in history than Elijah) \u201cprophesied.\u201d Therefore, a prophecy occurred in remote centuries past, that was not a biblical one; yet regarded as authoritative by a New Testament writer and apostle: significant enough to be cited. How can this <i>be<\/i>, under Whitaker\u2019s (false) premises? It <i>cannot<\/i>. His view is overthrown by Holy Scripture itself.<\/p>\n<p>Likewise with Jude 9, which appears as a factual account, having to do with Moses, the devil, and the archangel Michael: nowhere to be seen in the Old Testament. So why is it cited as an authentic narrative of actual history? The New Testament was not dictated from above by God. The Bible writers utilized their own knowledge, which was preserved from error and inspired by God.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">The seventh place is taken from Acts xvii. 2, 3, where Luke writes that Paul reasoned for three sabbath-days out of the scriptures, . . . that Christ had suffered; so that this was the Christ whom he preached unto them. Paul then discoursed from the scriptures, and confirmed his whole doctrine by the scriptures. Hence we gather the following argument: If Paul used no other evidence than that of scripture in teaching and delivering the gospel, and refuting the Jews; then all testimonies which are requisite either to confirm the true doctrine of the gospel or to refute heresies may be taken out of scripture. The former is true, and therefore the latter. The consequence is manifest. For if any other testimony had been necessary, the apostle would have used it. But he confirmed his doctrine only by the scriptures; and therefore, in verse 11, the Bereans are praised for having searched the scriptures, and examined Paul\u2019s teaching by them. Therefore we ought to do likewise. Now no heretics are more keen disputers, or more difficult to be refuted, than the Jews. (pp. 645-646)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>This is altogether silly, because it is amply refuted by Paul himself. When preaching to the Athenians (no intellectual slouches themselves, as the founders of philosophy), and doing his best to persuade them of the truth of the gospel, the great apostle didn\u2019t stick to Scripture alone; he cited their own poets and philosophers:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Acts 17:22-28<\/b> So Paul, standing in the middle of the Are-op\u2019agus, said: \u201cMen of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. [23] For as I passed along, and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription, `To an unknown god.\u2019 What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. [24] The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in shrines made by man, [25] nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all men life and breath and everything. [26] And he made from one every nation of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation, [27] that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him. Yet he is not far from each one of us, [28] for <span style=\"color: blue;\">`In him we live and move and have our being\u2019; as even some of your poets have said, `For we are indeed his offspring.\u2019<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here he was citing the Greek poet <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Aratus\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Aratus<\/a>: (c. 315-240 B.C.), and philosopher-poet <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Epimenides\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Epimenides<\/a> (6th c. B.C.). As I wrote elsewhere (one bracketed footnote presently added):<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">. . . the line that Paul cited on Mars Hill in Athens (Acts 17:28), from Aratus, was actually, in context, talking about Zeus:<\/div>\n<dl>\n<dd>Let us begin with Zeus, whom we mortals never leave unspoken.<\/dd>\n<dd>For every street, every market-place is full of Zeus.<\/dd>\n<dd>Even the sea and the harbour are full of this deity.<\/dd>\n<dd>Everywhere everyone is indebted to Zeus.<\/dd>\n<dd><i>For we are indeed his offspring\u2026<\/i> (<i>Phaenomena 1-5<\/i>).<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">So Paul used a pagan poet, talking about a false god (Zeus) and \u201cChristianized\u201d the thought, applying it to the true God. That\u2019s Pauline apologetic method, . . . The Church has done this, historically, by \u201cco-opting\u201d pagan holidays and \u201cbaptizing\u201d them, thus eventually wiping out the old pagan holidays.<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<blockquote>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">The citation from Epimenides (the poem <span style=\"font-style: italic;\">Cretica<\/span>) involves the same thing; it was originally written about Zeus; Paul (Acts 17:28 again) takes it and applies it to Yahweh, the true God:<\/div>\n<dl>\n<dd>They fashioned a tomb for thee, O holy and high one\u2014<\/dd>\n<dd>The Cretans, always liars, evil beasts, idle bellies! <span style=\"color: black;\">[used by Paul at Titus 1:12]<\/span><\/dd>\n<dd>But thou art not dead: thou livest and abidest forever,<\/dd>\n<dd>For in thee we live and move and have our being.<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n<p>St. Paul expressly cites these pagan Greek poets and philosophers precisely because that is what his sophisticated Athens audience (including \u201cEpicurean and Stoic philosophers\u201d \u2014 17:18) could understand and relate to. He was using wise apologetic method and strategy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Paul also cited the Greek dramatist\u00a0 <span class=\"fullpost\"><a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Menander\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Menander<\/a> (c.342-291 B.C.) at <\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">1 Corinthians 15:33<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\">: \u201cbad company ruins good morals\u201d. Thus, Whitaker\u2019s claim, <span style=\"color: blue;\">\u201c<\/span><\/span><span style=\"color: blue;\">if any other testimony had been necessary, the apostle would have used it. But he confirmed his doctrine only by the scriptures\u201d<\/span><span class=\"fullpost\"> is shown from Holy Scripture (three times) to be a falsehood (and we know where falsehood derives).<\/span><\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">The eighth place is taken from Acts xviii. 24 and 28. Apollos was mighty in the scriptures, and refuted the Jews forcibly, . . . out of the scriptures. We may argue here as in the former case: If Apollos made use only of the scriptures in refuting the Jews and confirming the doctrine of the gospel, then the gospel may be confirmed and heresies refuted by the scriptures alone. The former is true, and consequently the latter also. (p. 646)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>But the text doesn\u2019t <i>say<\/i> that Apollos <span style=\"color: blue;\">\u201cmade use <\/span><i style=\"color: blue;\">only<\/i><span style=\"color: blue;\"> of the scriptures\u201d<\/span> (my italics). This is yet another of the now notorious incorrect deductions from plain biblical texts that Whitaker is a master of (one might call this sophistry). Acts 18:28 describes him as \u201cshowing by the scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.\u201d But it doesn\u2019t say that he made no arguments <i>besides<\/i> ones drawn from Scripture. To show that the Messiah (often mentioned in the Old Testament) was Jesus was something specifically related to the Bible and to the Jews (over against the Gentiles). So that is to be expected.<\/p>\n<p>But in Acts 18:25 it states: \u201che spoke and taught accurately the things concerning Jesus.\u201d Unless he was prooftexting the OT messianic texts, and only doing that (as in 18:28), virtually anything else about what Jesus was doing or teaching was based on present eyewitness accounts, and was not \u201carguing from the Bible\u201d (the Gospels not having yet been written) but rather, from experience (i.e., oral tradition at that point). Thus it is quite likely and plausible (though not certain) that he also talked about things other than (OT) biblical texts.<\/p>\n<p>It may be a fine point but it is a crucial technical distinction. Whitaker merely reads into the text what he already assumes. It\u2019s not<i> present <\/i>in the text. The text is <i>consistent <\/i>with a hypothetical scenario whereby only Scripture was used, but it doesn\u2019t <i>prove<\/i> that or disallow another scenario. It\u2019s not conclusive in and of itself. This sort of bad logic and unwarranted leaps from texts is almost a constant in Protestant apologias for <i>sola Scriptura<\/i>. Then Whitaker makes a false deduction from a false conclusion: if the example is of using Scripture alone in sharing the Christian faith, then we should do the same.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">The tenth place is taken from Acts xxvi. 22, where Paul says, that through the divine assistance he continued up to that very day, witnessing both to small and great, saying nothing beside, . . . \u201cthose things which Moses and the prophets did say should come.\u201d Therefore Paul in preaching the gospel uttered not a word extraneous to the scriptures of the law and the prophets. From this passage we reason thus: If Paul, when he preached the gospel, uttered not a word beside the Mosaic and prophetical scriptures, then all things necessary to the preaching of the gospel are contained in the scriptures. Now the former is true, and therefore also the second. The consequence holds: for Paul preached the whole gospel, being designed for this special purpose by God, and in the whole explication of it spoke nothing beside the scriptures. In Acts XX. 27, he says that he declared to the Ephesians \u201cthe whole counsel of God.\u201d Therefore the whole counsel of God in announcing the gospel may be learned from the scriptures. Hence another syllogism follows: If Paul taught nothing beside the scriptures, then neither is it now lawful for any one to deliver anything beside the scripture. But the former is true, and therefore the second. For who will dare to assume to himself what Paul could not or ought not to do? (p. 647)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>Good grief. I have already shown that Paul did <i>not <\/i>cite only Scripture, in noting his four citations of pagan poets, philosophers and dramatists: two of them in the very act of preaching the gospel on Mars Hill in Athens. Therefore, since he is our model (as he said many times, and as Whitaker says), <i>we<\/i> don\u2019t have to do so, either. Is Whitaker unable to <i>read<\/i> the biblical text for himself without missing so many obvious things in it? Who in the world does he think Paul was <i>quoting<\/i> in Acts 17:28, 1 Corinthians 15:33, and Titus 1:12? Paul also cites many times from the Deuterocanon, as documented in my paper on NT citations of those biblical books that Protestants reject. Every time Paul does that, it refutes Whitaker\u2019s contention that he supposedly never does (since Whitaker thinks he never cites anything but Scripture, and for <i>him<\/i>, this is not Scripture).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: blue;\">Matters entrusted to men\u2019s memories are easily consigned to oblivion. These are notorious truths. Let us see how our opponent meets this argument. He answers very confidently, that it is impossible that these traditions should not be preserved, because the care of them rests not on men, but on God. Here he notices God\u2019s care in preserving his church; how God preserved traditions inviolate from Adam to the time of Moses, and the scriptures from Moses down to our times. Therefore, says he, God can now also preserve unwritten traditions. I answer; In the first place, I confess that the divine Providence can preserve from destruction whatever it chooses; for God can do whatever he wills. But if we choose thus to abuse the divine Providence, we may, in the same manner, infer that there is no need of the scriptures, that every thing should be trusted to the Divine Providence, and nothing committed to writing, because God can preserve religion safe without the scriptures. (p. 652)<br>\n*<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Nice try. This is a failed <i>reductio ad absurdum<\/i> (a logical technique of trying to draw from opposing premises an absurd conclusion: I use it all the time). Whitaker takes the opposing position to a supposed necessary extreme, in order to dismiss it as absurd. He concedes that<span style=\"color: blue;\"> \u201cthe divine Providence can preserve from destruction whatever it chooses,\u201d <span style=\"color: black;\">which is nearly the entire point and argument.<\/span><\/span> Then he goes off and mocks a notion of having no Scripture at all as a result. But Catholics accept and revere Scripture as much as Protestants do. We are simply saying that there is tradition and an authoritative Church also.<\/p>\n<p>Whitaker grants an indefectible Church in the following section, but in order to do so he has to (as an Anglican) redefine \u201cthe Church\u201d as always historically understood, and give up many biblical attributes of it. He says that God can preserve what He wants to preserve, yet he has to fight against all semblance of tradition whatsoever, in defending his extreme <i>sola Scriptura<\/i> viewpoint. His position is incoherent and internally inconsistent (as all Protestant variations always are, in the final analysis).<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">But God hath nowhere promised that he will save and protect unwritten traditions from being lost: consequently, the church and tradition are not parallel cases. I can produce innumerable testimonies and promises wherewith God hath bound himself to the church to preserve it: let them produce any such promises of God respecting the preservation of traditions. Now this they cannot do. Secondly, I confess that God preserved his doctrine from Adam to Moses orally transmitted, that is, in the form of unwritten tradition. It cannot be denied. But then it was amongst exceeding few persons: for the great majority had corrupted this doctrine. (p. 652)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>This is a fascinating study in illogic and cognitive dissonance. Whitaker denies that apostolic tradition could be preserved. Then he turns around and concedes that there was indeed an oral tradition and doctrine from Adam to Moses: an extraordinary concession indeed! He says <i>that<\/i> is possible and factual, but apostolic tradition, with the fuller revelation of the new covenant, and an indwelling and guiding Holy Spirit is<i> not<\/i>. Whether it was preserved by a few or ten million is irrelevant. It was preserved by God. New Testament tradition is indicated in many passages that I have already alluded to in the course of this series of refutations. It is always casually assumed to exist and to be authoritative.<\/p>\n<div style=\"color: blue;\">Besides, God frequently and familiarly shewed himself to the holy fathers who then lived; conversed with them, and often renewed and restored the doctrine orally delivered, and brought it back to its integrity and purity, when not preserved from all corruption even by those godly men themselves. Thus God conversed familiarly with those ancient patriarchs: and if the reasoning of our opponent were of any weight now, God would still treat us in the same manner. But there is the greatest difference between those things and ours; and consequently his reasoning hath no weight. (p. 652)<br>\n*<\/div>\n<p>The Bible says that we have far more privileges and access to God than the patriarchs of old. They were only selectively filled with the Holy Spirit, but every Christian is now. We have a much fuller, developed revelation. We have the appearance of Jesus, and all His teaching. We have a Church that even Whitaker grants is protected by God and indefectible. Yet Whitaker oddly concludes that oral tradition is far less possible now than it was then, and that we are vastly different from the great men of old. Jesus said of John the Baptist, who is considered the last of the prophets:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><b>Luke 7:28<\/b> I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John; yet he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: blue;\">Thirdly, the fact of Moses having written his heavenly doctrine is a point of great importance against tradition, and strongly confirmatory of our opinion. For if God had seen that religion could have been preserved entire and uncorrupted without the scriptures, he would not have enjoined Moses to consign it in the lasting monuments of written records . . . (pp. 652-653)<br>\n*<\/span><\/p>\n<p>More self-serving straw men . . . The argument is not over whether Scripture is necessary. No Catholic has ever denied it. The argument is whether there is such a thing as an authoritative Christian <i>tradition<\/i>. All of this writing wasted on defending the usefulness and great utility and blessing of Holy Scripture is a perfect <i>non sequitur<\/i>, because the parties are in total agreement. We\u2019re not the ones who want things to be alone (like \u201cScripture Alone\u201d). Our view is neither <i>solo traditio<\/i> nor <i>sola ecclesia<\/i> (if that is proper Latin). Apparently, Whitaker, not able to grasp this, thinks that in defending tradition, we must somehow denigrate Scripture, as if it were a zero sum game. Therefore, tradition could be defended to such an extent that Scripture is conceivably ditched altogether. But we haven\u2019t ever thought or done so! It is Protestantism that has unbiblically ditched both tradition and an authoritative, infallible Church.<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>. . . Absurd Alleged Biblical Indications Against Apostolic Tradition [see book information including purchase options] *** (10-20-11) * * * I am utilizing a copy of the book available at Internet Archive. *** Whitaker\u2019s words will be in blue. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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