{"id":36864,"date":"2019-08-14T10:53:13","date_gmt":"2019-08-14T14:53:13","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/admin.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/?p=36864"},"modified":"2019-08-26T14:59:25","modified_gmt":"2019-08-26T18:59:25","slug":"david-madison-vs-the-gospel-of-mark-2-chapter-1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/08\/david-madison-vs-the-gospel-of-mark-2-chapter-1.html","title":{"rendered":"David Madison vs. the Gospel of Mark #2: Chapter 1"},"content":{"rendered":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><head><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><meta http-equiv=\"content-type\" content=\"text\/html; charset=utf-8\"><\/head><body><p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Why Did Mark Omit Jesus\u2019 Baptism? \/ Why Was Jesus Baptized? \/ \u201cSuffering Servant\u201d &amp; Messiah in Isaiah \/ Spiritual \u201cKingdom of God\u201d \/ Archaeological Support<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-36876\" src=\"https:\/\/wp-media.patheos.com\/blogs\/sites\/572\/2019\/08\/JesusBaptism.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">This is an installment of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=David+Madison+vs.+the+Gospel+of+Mark+%23\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">my replies to a series of articles on Mark<\/a>\u00a0by <strong>Dr. David Madison<\/strong>: an atheist who was a Methodist minister for nine years: with a Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Boston University. His summary article is called,<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2019\/07\/not-your-pastors-tour-of-marks-gospel_17.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cNot-Your-Pastor\u2019s Tour of Mark\u2019s Gospel: The falsification of Christianity made easy\u201d<\/a> <span style=\"color: #000000;\">(<em>Debunking Christianity<\/em>, 7-17-19). His words will be in\u00a0<\/span><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">blue<\/span><span style=\"color: #000000;\">\u00a0below.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr. Madison has <em>utterly ignored<\/em> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong?s=Madison+vs.+Jesus+%23\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">my twelve refutations<\/a> of his<\/span> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2019\/07\/things-we-wish-jesus-hadnt-said.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cdirty dozen\u201d podcasts against Jesus<\/a><span style=\"color: #000000;\">, and I fully expect that stony silence to continue. If he wants to be repeatedly critiqued and make no response, that\u2019s his choice (which would challenge <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2019\/07\/atheist-bob-seidensticker-intellectual-coward-my-32-critiques.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Bob Seidensticker<\/a> as the most intellectually cowardly atheist I know). I will continue on, whatever he decides to do (no skin off my back).<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr. Madison believes we are not at all\u00a0<em>sure<\/em>\u00a0whether Jesus in fact said\u00a0<em>anything<\/em>\u00a0recorded in the Gospels. The atheist always has a convenient \u201cout\u201d (when refuted in argument about some biblical text) that Jesus never said it\u00a0<em>anyway<\/em>\u00a0and that the text in question was simply made up and added later by unscrupulous and \u201ccultish\u201d Christian propagandists. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">I always refuse to play this silly and ultimately intellectually dishonest game, because there is no way to \u201cwin\u201d with such a stacked, subjective deck. I start with the assumption (based on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2015\/11\/god-historical-arguments-copious-resources.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">many historical evidences<\/a>) that the manuscripts we have are quite sufficient for us to know what is <em>in<\/em> the Bible (<em>believe<\/em> it or <em>not<\/em>).\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr. Madison himself \u2014 in<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2019\/07\/things-we-wish-jesus-hadnt-said.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> his anti-Jesus project<\/a>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">noted above, granted my outlook, strictly in terms of\u00a0<em>practical<\/em>\u00a0\u201cx vs. y\u201d debate purposes:<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cFor the sake of argument, I\u2019m willing to say, okay, Jesus was real and, yes, we have gospels that tell the story.\u201d<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #000000;\">And in the combox:<\/span>\u00a0<span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">\u201cSo, we can go along with their insistence that he did exist. We\u2019ll play on their field, i.e., the gospels.\u201d<span style=\"color: #000000;\"> Excellent! Otherwise, there would be no possible discussion at all.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">*****<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #000000;\">Dr. Madison called this installment:\u00a0<\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2018\/02\/did-jesus-graduate-from-hogwarts.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Did Jesus Graduate from Hogwarts?:<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.debunking-christianity.com\/2018\/02\/did-jesus-graduate-from-hogwarts.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"> The problems pile on, right from the start<\/a> (2-16-18).<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Problem Number 1: A Big Omission<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">It has been a source of some anxiety among theologians that Mark begins his story with Jesus as an adult: There is no mention whatever of a virgin birth. Why would Mark leave that out? For starters, of course, he may never have heard this story associated with Jesus. The apostle Paul, who had written a couple of decades earlier, hadn\u2019t heard of it either\u2014at least, he never mentions it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Apologist J. Warner Wallace deals with this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>While it is true that Mark does not include a birth narrative, this does not mean that he was either unaware of the truth about Jesus or denied the virgin conception. Eyewitnesses often omit important details because they either (1) have other concerns they want to highlight with greater priority, or (2) presume that the issue under question is already well understood. The gospel of Mark\u00a0<a href=\"http:\/\/pleaseconvinceme.com\/2012\/marks-gospel-is-an-early-memoir-of-peter-2\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">exhibits great influence from the Apostle Peter<\/a>. In fact, the outline of Mark\u2019s Gospel is very similar to the outline of Peter\u2019s first sermon at Pentecost. According to the Papias, Mark was Peter\u2019s scribe; his gospel is brief and focused. Like Peter\u2019s sermon in Chapter 2 of the Book of Act\u2019s, Mark is focused only on the public life, ministry, death and resurrection of Jesus. But Mark is not alone in omitting the birth narrative. John\u2019s gospel is considered by scholars to be the last Gospel written. The prior three \u201csynoptic Gospels\u201d were already in circulation and the issue of the virgin conception had already been described in two of them. Yet John also omitted the birth narrative. Why? John clearly wanted to cover material that the other Gospel writers did not address; over 90% of the material in the Gospel of John is unique to the text. If John did not agree with the virgin conception as described in the Gospels of Matthew or Luke, he certainly had the opportunity to correct the matter in his own work. But John never does this; his silence serves as a presumption that the \u201cvirgin conception\u201d has been accurately described by prior authors. . . .<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, Mark does not appear to be ignorant of the \u201cvirgin conception\u201d. Note, for example, that Mark uses an unusual expression related to Jesus\u2019 parentage:<\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><strong>Mark 6:1-3<\/strong>\u00a0Jesus went out from there and came into His hometown ; and His disciples followed Him. When the Sabbath came, He began to teach in the synagogue ; and the many listeners were astonished, saying, \u201cWhere did this man get these things, and what is this wisdom given to Him, and such miracles as these performed by His hands ? \u201cIs not this the carpenter,\u00a0the son of Mary, and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon ? Are not His sisters here with us?\u201d And they took offense at Him.<\/p>\n<p>It is highly unusual for the \u201cmany listeners\u201d in this first century Jewish culture to describe Jesus as the \u201cson of Mary\u201d rather than the \u201cson of Joseph\u201d. These first century eyewitnesses of Jesus apparently knew something about Jesus\u2019 birth narrative and chose to trace Jesus\u2019 lineage back through His mother rather than through His father (as would customarily have been the case). This early reference in the Gospel of Mark may expose the fact that Mark was aware of the \u201cvirgin conception\u201d . . . (<a href=\"https:\/\/coldcasechristianity.com\/writings\/why-doesnt-mark-say-anything-about-jesus-birth\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWhy Doesn\u2019t Mark Say Anything About Jesus\u2019 Birth?\u201d<\/a>,<em> Cold-Case Christianity<\/em>, 12-11-15)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Problem Number 2: Baptism for the Forgiveness of Sins<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">We read in vv. 4-5: \u201cJohn the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And people from the whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem were going out to him, and were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Just what Jesus should do, right? Well, no. Why would the perfect, sinless son of God show up to be baptized? Mark\u2019s naivet\u00e9 has bothered theologians\u2014starting with Matthew, who maneuvered to avoid this embarrassment. He adds extra script, i.e., that John the Baptist objected (3:14): \u201cJohn would have prevented him, saying, \u2018I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?\u201d Jesus seems to say, \u201cTrue, but let\u2019s do it for appearances.\u201d \u201cBut Jesus answered him, \u2018Let it be so now; for it is proper for us in this way to fulfill all righteousness\u2019\u201d (v. 3:15). In John\u2019s gospel Jesus doesn\u2019t even set foot in the water. John says that he saw the spirit descend on Jesus \u201cas a dove from heaven,\u201d and declares, \u201cHere is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Catholic writer Kirsten Andersen explains:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Since Jesus didn\u2019t have any sins that needed\u00a0forgiving (original or otherwise), was already fully himself and fully God\u2019s son and had no need of salvation, baptism would seem redundant . . .<\/p>\n<p>So what\u2019s the deal? Why\u00a0<em>did<\/em>\u00a0Jesus insist on receiving baptism from John, even though John himself flat-out objected, arguing that it was Jesus who should baptize\u00a0<em>him<\/em>?<\/p>\n<p>The easy answer is that Jesus was simply setting the example for his followers. \u201cWWJD\u201d bracelets may be out-of-fashion and clich\u00e9d, but they do express the rather profound truth that as long as we keep our eyes on Jesus, and do what he showed us how to do in both word and deed, salvation can be ours. . . .<\/p>\n<p>[T]he baptism Jesus received from John wasn\u2019t the same sacrament we celebrate today. How could it have been? Jesus had not yet established his Church, so the sacraments didn\u2019t exist yet. The \u201cbaptisms\u201d John performed were actually <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ritual_washing_in_Judaism\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">ritual washings<\/a> (<em><a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Mikveh\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">mikveh<\/a>\/<\/em>pl.<em>\u00a0mikvaot<\/em>) given to converting and reverting Jews, symbolizing the death of one\u2019s old, sinful self, and rebirth as a ritually clean Jew.<\/p>\n<p><em>Mikvaot<\/em>\u00a0were commonly performed to cleanse Jews of any sins and ritual impurities before presenting themselves at the temple, . . .\u00a0(<a href=\"https:\/\/aleteia.org\/2016\/01\/08\/if-jesus-was-sinless-why-did-he-need-to-be-baptized\/\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cIf Jesus Was Sinless, Why Did He Need to Be Baptized?,\u201d<\/a> <em>Aleteia<\/em>, 1-8-16)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Catholic writer Cale Clark cites Pope Benedict XVI (writing before he was pope), explaining another symbolic aspect of Jesus\u2019 baptism:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">Pope Benedict XVI (writing as Joseph Ratzinger), in his<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ignatius.com\/Jesus-of-Nazareth-3-Volume-Set-P2808.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u00a0<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ignatius.com\/Jesus-of-Nazareth-3-Volume-Set-P2808.aspx\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\"><em>Jesus of Nazareth<\/em><\/a> [2004] offers some illuminating insights on all this. There\u2019s a whole chapter in the book on Jesus\u2019 baptism, but here are a few of his key thoughts.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">First, in antiquity water conjured up two distinct images<\/span><\/strong><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">: death and life. Benedict notes:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">On the one hand, immersion into the waters is a symbol of death, which recalls the death symbolism of the annihilating, destructive power of the ocean flood. The ancient mind perceived the ocean as a permanent threat to the cosmos, to the earth; it was the primeval flood that might submerge all life . . . But the flowing waters of the river are above all a symbol of life (15-16).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">Even the physical act of baptism, especially baptism by immersion, represents death and new life: the descent into the waters is a form of death and burial; the rising to a new life is an icon of resurrection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">Looking at the events (of Christ\u2019s baptism) in light of the Cross and Resurrection, the Christian people realized what happened: Jesus loaded the burden of all mankind\u2019s guilt upon his shoulders; he bore it down into the depths of the Jordan. He inaugurated his public activity by stepping into the place of sinners. His inaugural gesture is an anticipation of the Cross. He is, as it were, the true Jonah who said to the crew of the ship, \u201dTake me and throw me into the sea\u201d (Jon. 1:12) . . . The baptism is an acceptance of death for the sins of humanity, and the voice that calls out \u201cThis is my beloved Son\u201d over the baptismal waters is an anticipatory reference to the Resurrection. This also explains why, in his own discourses, Jesus uses the word \u201cbaptism\u201d to refer to his death (18).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">The Eastern traditions of iconography pick up on many of these themes, as the current pope emeritus elucidates:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 30px;\"><span lang=\"EN\" xml:lang=\"EN\">The icon of Jesus\u2019 baptism depicts the water as a liquid tomb having the form of a dark cavern, which is in turn the iconographic sign of Hades, the underworld, or hell. Jesus\u2019 descent into this watery tomb, into this inferno that envelops him from every side, is thus an anticipation of his act of descending into the underworld . . . John Chrysostom writes: \u201cGoing down into the water and emerging again are the image of the descent into hell and the Resurrection\u201d (19). (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.catholic.com\/magazine\/online-edition\/why-jesus-was-baptized\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cWhy Jesus Was Baptized,\u201d<\/a> <em>Catholic Answers<\/em>, 1-9-18)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Problem Number 3: The Powerful Savior Myth<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness to \u201cprepare the way of the Lord\u201d\u2014\u201cthe one who is more powerful than I is coming after me\u201d (v.7). These texts\u2014and many others like them\u2014usher us into the world of delusional thinking that seeks to bend history to fit theology. The Chosen People had been oppressed for centuries\u2014which was inexplicable. What was the way out of this? It\u2019ll be magic: There is a hero on the way, a messiah, one specially anointed by God, who will set things right. Thus one of the main themes of Mark is the proclamation of Jesus that the \u201cthe time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God has come near\u201d (v. 15).<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">But that didn\u2019t happen. God has not intervened in human history to make everything better. When hope faded that the Son of Man would descend to Earth to establish the kingdom of God, Christian theologians made the adjustment: it became a \u201cspiritual\u201d reality. But we\u2019re still dealing with a form of hero worship: \u201cHere is the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">What? Someone can actually do that? Whether it\u2019s intervening in history to rescue the Chosen People, or \u201ctaking away the sins of the world,\u201d it\u2019s wishful thinking, theology denying reality. This is the Superman fantasy, and outside of the \u2018messiah\u2019 version of it, nobody takes it seriously. Of course, in our own time, there have been so many spin-off super-heroes; this is fun fantasy, nothing more.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>The Jews for centuries had had a dual notion of the Messiah: that of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/04\/messiah-jewish-old-testament-conceptions.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">Suffering Servant and of the conquering king<\/a>. So this was nothing new. Educated Christians knew the Old Testament. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patheos.com\/blogs\/davearmstrong\/2017\/04\/isaiah-53-jewish-messianic-interpretation.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">It included Isaiah 53<\/a>, which is the famous passage of the Messiah suffering. There was no huge [implied, dishonest] \u201cadjustment\u201d made by the time the Gospels were written. Whereas during the time of Jesus it was understandable that some thought that the messianic kingdom was to be established, and the end of the age was near, after He died, of course it was understood that He was the suffering servant, and that the \u201ctriumphant\u201d messianism had to await His second Coming. In the meantime, Jesus made salvation possible by His redemptive death; and that is quite enough itself.<\/p>\n<p>Dr. Madison acts as if John the Baptist was proclaiming a superhero and the messianic earthy kingdom: fulfilled in Jesus. If so, how odd that he referred to Him as follows: \u201c\u201dBehold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!\u201d (Jn 1:29, RSV). That\u2019s the suffering Messiah of Isaiah 53. The Jews at the time couldn\u2019t misinterpret the analogy of the Passover Lamb that was sacrificed. Jesus\u2019 sacrifice on the cross was also at the time of Passover.<\/p>\n<p>Mark cites <strong>Isaiah 40:3<\/strong>: \u201cA voice cries: \u2018In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD,\u00a0make straight in the desert a highway for our God.'\u201d Isaiah 40:1-26 is a triumphant passage of hope. God was going to deliver the Israelites. But as always in the Old Testament, such deliverance was conditional upon <strong><em>obedience<\/em><\/strong>. And once again, as so often, God didn\u2019t receive that, as the grand narrative of the magnificent book of Isaiah continues. Thus, we see the beginning of this discontent in the same chapter:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Isaiah 40:27<\/strong> Why do you say, O Jacob,\u00a0and speak, O Israel,\u00a0\u201cMy way is hid from the LORD,\u00a0and my right is disregarded by my God\u201d? (cf. 49:14: \u201c. . .\u00a0\u201cThe LORD has forsaken me,\u00a0my Lord has forgotten me.\u201d)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>God in effect responds to this rebellion and rejection in Isaiah chapters 41-47. Isaiah 42 describes what could have been, had Israel been obedient. But it was not, and Israel\u2019s exile came about as a result (43:22-28). Then Babylon is judged for opposing Israel (chapters 46-47). Isaiah 48 is God\u2019s response to Israel\u2019s rebellion. God declares:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Isaiah 48:6<\/strong> . . .\u00a0From this time forth I make you hear new things, hidden things which you have not known.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The text then highlights the \u201cServant\u201d (chapters 49-55) which represents both the Messiah and the nation of Israel (prophecies often have multiple applications in Scripture). The Servant\u2019s mission is to Israel first, then\u00a0\u201cas a light to the nations,\u00a0that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth\u201d (49:6). But the \u201cServant\u201d is also rejected:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Isaiah 49:7<\/strong> . . .\u00a0one deeply despised, abhorred by the nations . . .<\/p>\n<p><strong>Isaiah 50:6\u00a0<\/strong>I gave my back to the smiters,\u00a0and my cheeks to those who pulled out the beard;\u00a0I hid not my face\u00a0from shame and spitting.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Nevertheless the Servant continues to proclaim a message of good news (chapters 51-52). But what happens next is that the full suffering of the Servant is revealed: and its purpose:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Isaiah 52:13-53:12<\/strong> Behold, my servant shall prosper,\u00a0he shall be exalted and lifted up,\u00a0and shall be very high.\u00a0[14] As many were astonished at him \u2014\u00a0his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance,\u00a0and his form beyond that of the sons of men \u2014\u00a0[15] so shall he startle many nations;\u00a0kings shall shut their mouths because of him;\u00a0for that which has not been told them they shall see,\u00a0and that which they have not heard they shall understand. [1]\u00a0Who has believed what we have heard?\u00a0And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?\u00a0[2] For he grew up before him like a young plant,\u00a0and like a root out of dry ground;\u00a0he had no form or comeliness that we should look at him,\u00a0and no beauty that we should desire him.\u00a0[3] He was despised and rejected by men;\u00a0a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief;\u00a0and as one from whom men hide their faces\u00a0he was despised, and we esteemed him not.\u00a0[4] Surely he has borne our griefs\u00a0and carried our sorrows;\u00a0yet we esteemed him stricken,\u00a0smitten by God, and afflicted.\u00a0[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions,\u00a0he was bruised for our iniquities;\u00a0upon him was the chastisement that made us whole,\u00a0and with his stripes we are healed.\u00a0[6] All we like sheep have gone astray;\u00a0we have turned every one to his own way;\u00a0and the LORD has laid on him\u00a0the iniquity of us all.\u00a0[7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,\u00a0yet he opened not his mouth;\u00a0like a lamb that is led to the slaughter,\u00a0and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb,\u00a0so he opened not his mouth.\u00a0[8] By oppression and judgment he was taken away;\u00a0and as for his generation, who considered\u00a0that he was cut off out of the land of the living,\u00a0stricken for the transgression of my people?\u00a0[9] And they made his grave with the wicked\u00a0and with a rich man in his death,\u00a0although he had done no violence,\u00a0and there was no deceit in his mouth.\u00a0[10] Yet it was the will of the LORD to bruise him;\u00a0he has put him to grief;\u00a0when he makes himself an offering for sin,\u00a0he shall see his offspring, he shall prolong his days;\u00a0the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand;\u00a0[11] he shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied;\u00a0by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant,\u00a0make many to be accounted righteous;\u00a0and he shall bear their iniquities.\u00a0[12] Therefore I will divide him a portion with the great,\u00a0and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;\u00a0because he poured out his soul to death,\u00a0and was numbered with the transgressors;\u00a0yet he bore the sin of many,\u00a0and made intercession for the transgressors.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>All of this, of course, is a prophecy of exactly what would happen with Jesus Christ: God the Son \/ Son of God. He came as the expected Messiah, but was rejected and killed on the cross. But this was God\u2019s plan to save mankind. Many missed that (included all those who rejected Jesus Christ), but it was there in plain view, in Isaiah (written many centuries before). And this is the backdrop of the Gospel presentation of the life and mission of Jesus. Precisely for this reason, Jesus cited Isaiah in public, in a synagogue, at the beginning of His public ministry, in his own hometown of Nazareth:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Luke 4:16-21<\/strong> And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up; and he went to the synagogue, as his custom was, on the sabbath day. And he stood up to read;\u00a0[17] and there was given to him the book of the prophet Isaiah. He opened the book and found the place where it was written,\u00a0[18] \u201cThe Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.\u00a0He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives\u00a0and recovering of sight to the blind,\u00a0to set at liberty those who are oppressed,\u00a0[19] to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.\u201d\u00a0[20] And he closed the book, and gave it back to the attendant, and sat down; and the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him.\u00a0[21] And he began to say to them, \u201cToday this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>After He said a bit more, here was the response:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Luke 4:28-29<\/strong>\u00a0When they heard this, all in the synagogue were filled with wrath.\u00a0[29] And they rose up and put him out of the city, and led him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw him down headlong.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Jesus was citing Isaiah 61:1-2 and also 58:6. He was thus claiming to be the Old Testament Servant, who was the Messiah.\u00a0It was all foretold in the Old Testament before any Gospel writer was born. So to make out that they \u201cinvented\u201d the whole story because Jesus disappointed their expectations and failed to reign triumphant over all mankind, and was instead tortured and killed, is ludicrous. Mark\u2019s Gospel recounts the same incident, but only in bare outline: Jesus was \u201cin his own country\u201d (6:1), taught in the synagogue (6:2), the people \u201ctook offense\u201d (6:3), and Jesus noted that a prophet is not honored in his home town (6:4; cf. Lk 4:24). Matthew\u2019s account (13:54-58) is similar to Mark\u2019s.<\/p>\n<p>[I pass over Dr. Madison\u2019s stock atheist objections to Satan, demons (getting also a bit into the problem of evil), and supernatural healing. These are discussions that are very involved, entailing in-depth philosophy and theology, and go far beyond the \u201ctextual\u201d arguments that I am concentrating on in my critiques.]<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Problem Number 7: The Message Without Substance\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">We\u2019ll be searching for the substance of Jesus\u2019s message as we make our way through Mark, but we don\u2019t get many clues in the first chapter. . . . But what \u201castounded and amazed\u201d them\u2014other than roughing up the demons? What was the message that he taught with authority? Mark neglects to give us the details.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>So <em>what<\/em>? It\u2019s only the <em>first<\/em> chapter of sixteen. He\u2019ll get to it. Mark chose in this chapter to highlight his baptism and early healings and casting out of demons. But of course, chapters were only added to the Bible <a href=\"https:\/\/www.gotquestions.org\/divided-Bible-chapters-verses.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">in the <em>13th century<\/em><\/a>:\u00a0by Stephen Langton, Archbishop of Canterbury. They first appeared in a Bible with Wycliffe\u2019s English version of 1382. The Old Testament was first divided into verses in 1448, and the New Testament in 1555 (surprisingly, after Martin Luther\u2019s death!).<\/p>\n<p>We observe that Jesus starts revealing more of His mission and message in what we now call chapter 2.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">We will see that Jesus talks a lot about the anticipated kingdom of God\u2014which never showed up, by the way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>As with many words and phrases in the Bible, it has more than one meaning. It\u2019s obvious in many passages that <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=kingdom+of+God&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201ckingdom of God\u201d<\/a> (and the equivalent <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=kingdom+of+heaven&amp;restrict=New+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">\u201ckingdom of heaven\u201d<\/a>: used only by Matthew) in the New Testament referred to a spiritual reality, as opposed to the physical and \u201cinstitutional\u201d messianic kingdom to come. Again, this was no cynical \u201cevolution\u201d or rationalization after the fact of an alleged massive disenchantment of early Christians (one of Dr. Madison\u2019s recurring false assertions). It was foreshadowed in the Old Testament in the motif of <a href=\"https:\/\/quod.lib.umich.edu\/cgi\/r\/rsv\/rsv-idx?type=simple&amp;format=Long&amp;q1=hearts+&amp;restrict=Old+Testament&amp;size=First+100\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\">changed \u201chearts\u201d that served and followed God<\/a>: especially in Jeremiah:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Jeremiah 31:33\u00a0<\/strong>But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it upon their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Jeremiah 32:40\u00a0<\/strong>I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them; and I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Also, being inhabited by God\u2019s \u201cspirit\u201d in the Old Testament was a precursor to Pentecost and all Christians being indwelt by the Holy Spirit (essentially, being in the kingdom of God; regenerated, justified, sanctified, etc.):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Numbers 11:29<\/strong>\u00a0But Moses said to him, \u201cAre you jealous for my sake? Would that all the LORD\u2019s people were prophets, that the LORD would put<b>\u00a0<\/b>his spirit\u00a0upon them!\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Psalm 51:11\u00a0<\/strong>Cast me not away from thy presence,\u00a0and take not thy<b>\u00a0<\/b>holy Spirit\u00a0from me.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Isaiah 42:1\u00a0<\/strong>Behold my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights;\u00a0I have put<b>\u00a0<\/b>my Spirit\u00a0upon him,\u00a0he will bring forth justice to the nations.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Isaiah 44:3<\/strong>\u00a0I will pour<b>\u00a0<\/b>my Spirit\u00a0upon your descendants,\u00a0and my blessing on your offspring.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Isaiah 59:21<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cAnd as for me, this is my covenant with them, says the LORD:<b>\u00a0<\/b>my spirit\u00a0which is upon you, and my words which I have put in your mouth, . . .\u201d (cf. 63:11)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ezekiel 36:27\u00a0<\/strong>And I will put<b>\u00a0<\/b>my spirit\u00a0within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to observe my ordinances. (cf. 37:14; 39:29)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Joel 2:28<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cAnd it shall come to pass afterward,\u00a0that I will pour out<b>\u00a0<\/b>my spirit\u00a0on all flesh; . . .\u201d (cf. 2:29; Hag 2:5)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Zechariah 7:12<\/strong> . . .\u00a0the words which the LORD of hosts had sent by<b>\u00a0<\/b>his Spirit\u00a0through the former prophets. . . . (cf. 4:6)<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Here are some of Jesus\u2019 many uses of these phrases in a strictly spiritual sense:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>Matthew 5:3\u00a0<\/strong>\u201cBlessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of heaven.\u201d (cf. Lk 6:20)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 11:12<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cFrom the days of John the Baptist until now the<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of heaven\u00a0has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 12:28<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cBut if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of God\u00a0has come upon you.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 19:12<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cFor there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the\u00a0kingdom of heaven. . . .\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Matthew 19:24<\/strong>\u00a0\u201cAgain I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of God.\u201d [this is the famous \u201crich young ruler\u201d incident. Jesus appears to define the term as \u201ceternal life\u201d (19:16, 29), or spiritual \u201clife\u201d (19:17), or \u201ctreasure in heaven\u201d (19:21), or being \u201csaved\u201d (19:25) ]<\/p>\n<p><strong>Mark 12:34<\/strong>\u00a0And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, \u201cYou are not far from the<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of God.\u201d . . .<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 7:28 \u201c<\/strong>I tell you, among those born of women none is greater than John; yet he who is least in the<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of God\u00a0is greater than he.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 10:9<\/strong> \u201cheal the sick in it and say to them, `The<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of God\u00a0has come near to you.'\u201d<\/p>\n<p><strong>Luke 11:20 \u201c<\/strong>But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the<b>\u00a0<\/b>kingdom of God\u00a0has come upon you.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">No matter how confident the faithful are that Mark is telling the \u201ctrue story of Jesus,\u201d this is not biography. Mark fails to qualify as a historian; we have <strong>no way\u2014none at all<\/strong>\u2014to determine if there is <strong>any history at all<\/strong> in his narratives. Mark was a theologian who had a talent for the creation of<em>\u00a0religious fantasy literature<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Why are we not impressed, let alone convinced? <span style=\"color: #000000;\">[my bolding added, to highlight the sweeping absurdity of the false claim]<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Well, I say it\u2019s because he has apparently not read about any of the abundant New Testament archaeological evidences of its accuracy. The following article alone has six archaeological confirmations (i.e., <em>scientific<\/em> findings, completely separate from religious faith) of the Gospel of Mark (a word-search can locate them):<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bethinking.org\/is-the-bible-reliable\/archaeology-and-the-historical-reliability-of-the-new-testament\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">\u201cArchaeology and the Historical Reliability of the New Testament\u201d<\/a> (Peter S. Williams)<\/p>\n<p>As a second example, archaeologists in 2013 believed that they found the town of Dalmanutha, along the sea of Galilee, mentioned in Mark 8:10. I ran across three articles about it (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.natureworldnews.com\/articles\/4030\/20130918\/archaeologists-discover-biblical-town-dalmanutha.htm\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">one<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/sciencemain\/was-jesus-here-biblical-era-town-discovered-along-sea-galilee-4B11184418\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">two<\/a> \/ <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theepochtimes.com\/sea-of-galilee-town-could-be-dalmanutha-referenced-in-bible-researchers-say_290845.html\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">three<\/a>).<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<p><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">Photo credit:<\/span> <\/strong><a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/User:22Kartika\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">22Kartika<\/a> <span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">(3-28-14). Located inside Maria Kerep Cave, Ambarawa, Indonesia<\/span> [<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Baptism_of_Jesus_statue.jpg\" class=\" decorated-link\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Wikimedia Commons<\/a> \/\u00a0<a class=\"extiw decorated-link\" title=\"w:en:Creative Commons\" href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/en:Creative_Commons\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"nofollow\">Creative Commons<\/a>\u00a0<a class=\"external text decorated-link\" href=\"https:\/\/creativecommons.org\/licenses\/by-sa\/4.0\/deed.en\" rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\">Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International<\/a>\u00a0license]<\/p>\n<p>***<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Why Did Mark Omit Jesus\u2019 Baptism? \/ Why Was Jesus Baptized? \/ \u201cSuffering Servant\u201d &amp; Messiah in Isaiah \/ Spiritual \u201cKingdom of God\u201d \/ Archaeological Support This is an installment of my replies to a series of articles on Mark\u00a0by Dr. David Madison: an atheist who was a Methodist minister for nine years: with a [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2331,"featured_media":36876,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[124],"tags":[2519,1738,1043,745,258,2639,9137,335,525,6519,1367,9119,648,6522,1028,9231,9234],"class_list":["post-36864","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-atheism-agnosticism","tag-alleged-biblical-contradictions","tag-anti-christian-bigotry","tag-anti-theism","tag-anti-theists","tag-atheism","tag-atheist-exegesis","tag-atheist-hermeneutics","tag-atheists","tag-bible-contradictions","tag-contradictions-in-the-bible","tag-critiques-of-christianity","tag-david-madison","tag-debunking-christianity","tag-divine-inspiration","tag-gospel-of-mark","tag-marks-gospel","tag-not-your-pastors-tour-of-marks-gospel"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v21.1 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>David Madison vs. the Gospel of Mark #2: Chapter 1<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Response in my series of replies to atheist David Madison&#039;s hostile critique of the Gospel of Mark: showing how he relentlessly &amp; 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \\\"This Rock\\\" (now called \\\"Catholic Answers Magazine\\\"), \\\"Envoy Magazine\\\" (Patrick Madrid), \\\"The Catholic Answer,\\\" \\\"The Coming Home Journal,\\\" \\\"Gilbert Magazine\\\" (American Chesterton Society), and \\\"The Latin Mass.\\\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \\\"The Michigan Catholic\\\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \\\"Catholic Answers Live\\\" (twice), \\\"Faith and Family Live\\\" (Steve Wood), \\\"Kresta in the Afternoon,\\\" \\\"Son Rise Morning Show,\\\" \\\"Catholic Connection\\\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \\\"The Catholics Next Door.\\\" His large and popular website, \\\"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\\\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \\\"Envoy Magazine.\\\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \\\"index\\\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \\\"Surprised by Truth\\\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \\\"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\\\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \\\"The Catholic Verses\\\" (2004), \\\"The One-Minute Apologist\\\" (2007), \\\"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\\\" (2009), \\\"The Quotable Newman\\\" (editor: 2012), and \\\"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\\\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \\\"The New Catholic Answer Bible\\\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \\\"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\\\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \\\"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\\\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \\\"Quotable Wesley\\\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. 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Formerly a campus missionary, as a Protestant, Dave was received into the Catholic Church in February 1991, by the late, well-known catechist and theologian, Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave\u2019s articles have appeared in many influential Catholic periodicals, including \"This Rock\" (now called \"Catholic Answers Magazine\"), \"Envoy Magazine\" (Patrick Madrid), \"The Catholic Answer,\" \"The Coming Home Journal,\" \"Gilbert Magazine\" (American Chesterton Society), and \"The Latin Mass.\" He also writes a featured column for every issue of \"The Michigan Catholic\": published by the archdiocese of Detroit, and was editor for most of the apologetics tracts published by the St. Paul Street Evangelization apostolate. Dave\u2019s apologetics and writing apostolate was the subject of a feature article in the May 2002 issue of \"Envoy Magazine.\" He served as the staff moderator at the Internet discussion forum for The Coming Home Network, from 2007-2010. Dave has been interviewed on many nationally syndicated Catholic radio shows, including \"Catholic Answers Live\" (twice), \"Faith and Family Live\" (Steve Wood), \"Kresta in the Afternoon,\" \"Son Rise Morning Show,\" \"Catholic Connection\" (Teresa Tomeo), and \"The Catholics Next Door.\" His large and popular website, \"Biblical Evidence for Catholicism,\" was online from March 1997 to March 2007, and received the 1998 Catholic Website of the Year award from \"Envoy Magazine.\" His blog of the same name (now transferred to Patheos), begun in February 2004, contains more than 1,500 papers, at least 500 debates or dialogues, and over 50 distinct \"index\" web pages. Unsolicited correspondence has indicated many hundreds of conversions (or returns) to the Catholic faith as a result, by God's grace, of these writings. Dave's conversion story was published in the bestselling book \"Surprised by Truth\" (edited by Patrick Madrid; San Diego: Basilica Press, 1994). Sophia Institute Press has published six of his books: \"A Biblical Defense of Catholicism\" (Foreword by Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J., 1996 \/ 2003), \"The Catholic Verses\" (2004), \"The One-Minute Apologist\" (2007), \"Bible Proofs for Catholic Truths\" (2009), \"The Quotable Newman\" (editor: 2012), and \"Proving the Catholic Faith is Biblical\" (2015). He is co-author (with Dr. Paul Thigpen) of the inserts for \"The New Catholic Answer Bible\" (Our Sunday Visitor: 2005), and editor for \"The Wisdom of Mr. Chesterton: The Very Best Quotes, Quips, and Cracks from the Pen of G. K. Chesterton\" (Saint Benedict Press \/ TAN Books: 2009). \"100 Biblical Arguments Against Sola Scriptura\" was published by Catholic Answers in May 2012. His \"Quotable Wesley\" compilation was published by (Protestant \/ Wesleyan publisher) Beacon Hill Press in April 2014. Several of his 49 books are bestsellers in their field. Dave maintains a popular personal Facebook page, a Facebook author page, and has a Twitter account as well. He offers almost all of his books in e-book form on his own Biblical Catholicism site (http:\/\/biblicalcatholicism.com\/), at a permanent deep discount: only $2.99 for ePub, mobi, and AZW, and $1.99 for PDF. His writing has been enthusiastically endorsed or recommended by many leading Catholic apologists, authors, and priests, including Dr. Scott Hahn, Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas, Marcus Grodi, Patrick Madrid, Steve Ray, Tim Staples, Devin Rose, Mike Aquilina, Al Kresta, Karl Keating, Fr. Dwight Longenecker, Brandon Vogt, Marcellino D'Ambrosio, and Fr. John A. Hardon, S. J. Dave has been happily married to his wife Judy since October 1984. 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